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Who is this other Salome?. according to history, not the daughter of Herodias and stepdaughter of Herod Antipas, who dance for the Head of John the baptist. but the Salome who is found in these verses below. Mark is the only one who mention this name.

#1. Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome”.

#2. Mark 16:1 "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him”.

Some have said, she is the mother of Zebedee children, quoting Matthews 27:56. I don’t believe so. Some say other things. Well I’m not buying any of these explanation.

I have come to a conclusion, not definite, but I believe pretty solid. I would like your input first. Let’s see if we can agree on this woman Salome, whom only Mark mention.

I suggest one study this woman carefully. she is kind of a mystery, read many article on her, but she escape, or now, had escape true identity. while researching someone else, she came up several times, here in mark. if confirm, she, will answer another person mystery also.

P.S. there are no wrong answers here, simply research, to a conclusion, and post who do you believe, or think she is. NO ARGUING please. A healthy discussion, yes.

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Good question...I will look into it and see if I can find anything. But if you have done that..I doubt I can find anything :)
 

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Good question...I will look into it and see if I can find anything. But if you have done that..I doubt I can find anything :)
here is something to chew on. what if this Salome is one of the Lord Jesus Sisters. see if you can make a connection there. I'll give you a starting point, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?".

since I gave you your first connection to work on let me give you another to bring it back to Salome. it's found in the book of Jude.
Jude 1:1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called".

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GINOLJC to all,

here is something to chew on. what if this Salome is one of the Lord Jesus Sisters. see if you can make a connection there. I'll give you a starting point, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?".

since I gave you your first connection to work on let me give you another to bring it back to Salome. it's found in the book of Jude.
Jude 1:1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called".

Peace in Christ, Yeshua.



better not let the catholics know that, you will be a heretic and a bully because you’ve burst their wittle theology bubble. Nice home work on proof though.

Haven’t seen any one use it yet for argument.
 

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better not let the catholics know that, you will be a heretic and a bully because you’ve burst their wittle theology bubble. Nice home work on proof though.

Haven’t seen any one use it yet for argument.
Thanks DP, I been called worst, and a little lower than a heretic. but here is my Connection, and the argument to use. this is for you too BG. and thanks for your respond.

Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?". take note of Judas here. I have always used the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words to guide me in understanding this verse. in definition #(3) male children of the same mother, Matt 13:55; 1Cor 9:5; Gal 1:19. but I was reading this General Theological Seminary paper on the Lord's brother James, by two Professor from THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, out of New York, and Baltimore, Md. they had some interesting views on the subject. so in doing my research the book of Jude gave me some leverage to use. Wikipedia identified something I had forgotten years when I look into the book of Jude. it stated, Jude, (alternatively Judas or Judah) is believed by some to be one of the brothers of Jesus (Greek: ἀδελφοὶ, translit. adelphoi. and they give the translation.
G2455 Ἰουδάς Ioudas (you-das') n/p.
1. (meaning) celebrated.
2. (person) Judah (Yehudah), son of Jacob (Israel).
3. (group) the tribe and posterity of Judah, and their region.
4. (person) Judas (Iscariot), a disciple and the betrayer of Jesus.
5. (person) Jude, {Judas}, brother of Jacob (aka James), half-brother of Jesus, author of the book of Jude.
6. (person) Judas (Thaddaeus), an Ambassador of Jesus.
7. (person) Judas, who hosted a blinded Saul (Paul) in his home on Straight avenue in Damascus.
8. (person) Judas (Barsabus), a ministry companion with Silas.
9. (person) Judas of Galilee, an insurrectionist.
10. (person) Jehudah, an ancestor of Jesus.
11. (person) Yehudah, an older ancestor of Jesus.
[of Hebrew origin (H3063)]
KJV: Juda(-h, -s); Jude

notice definition #5. (person) Jude, (Judas) brother of Jacob (aka James), half-brother of Jesus, author of the book of Jude.
well the next step was to find out if James is called Jacob, again my memory is brought back. YES, in the book of James, chapter 1 verse 1 the name James is, my source the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments is Jacob, English. it's the Greek #
G2385 Ἰάκωβος Iakobos (ya-kō'-ɓos) n/p.
1. (meaning) heel-catcher.
2. (person) Jakob, son of Zebedee, elder brother of John, from Galilee, an Ambassador of Jesus.
3. (person) Jakob, son of Alphaeus; an Ambassador of Jesus; perhaps Jakob was related to Matthew of Alphaeus (as brother, half-brother, step-brother, 2nd cousins, unknown, etc).
4. (person) Jacob, the half-brother of Jesus; also called “little Jacob,” son of Joseph and Mariam (Mark 15:40), and author of the epistle of Jacob (aka James).
5. (person) Jacobus Thaddaeus, the father of Judas Lebbaeus who was an Ambassador of Jesus.
6. (Note) “Jakobos” is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Jacob (Ya'akob). “James” is from a Latin transcription error which became an anglicized variation of Jacob.
[the same as G2384 Graecized]
KJV: James

Notice definition #4. (person) Jacob, the half-brother of Jesus; also called “little Jacob,” son of Joseph and Mariam (Mark 15:40), and author of the epistle of Jacob (aka James).
what so important is that “little Jacob,” is what Mark called Jame in Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome”. less is same as Little. well I just got another connection. James the "Less" is the same as James the "Little". just look what a little research... play on words, will do.

now, knowing that, Salome is Identified with James the less by his Mother Mary. Mark 16:1 "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him”. this is Mary's DAUGHTER, and not her sister as some cannot claim. here's the connection again, Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?". Judas as Wikipedia stated is the alternatively Jude or Judah. watch the listing of the brothers again. Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? (Jude). now Salome
Mark 15:40 "There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome”. here the Daughter of Mary is connected with her brothers James the less and of Joses. once more watch James and Joses. Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?" Judas who is Jude. Salome is always connected to her Mother Mary, and here Brothers, James, Joses, and Jude/Judah.

all of my research can be reproduce. no guessing, just do the research. Salome, to me without a doubt is Mary's daughter.

I know I'll be a heretic now, and be excommunicate.... (smile). oh well you can only kill the messenger only ONCE.... :eek:.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.
 

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@101G

Thanks for the interesting read and food for thought, and/or meditation.
 

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I know I'll be a heretic now, and be excommunicate.... (smile). oh well you can only kill the messenger only ONCE.... :eek:.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.



Well that’s the case any time one speaks or repeats the Truth of God, thing is, guys like Jerimiah never gave up. And why didn’t he you ask? It was his love for the Lord even though his own people in most cases either rejected him and or what the Lord told Jerimiah to tell Israel. It can really suck, and the Lord knows it, hence the Lord's honoring of those who honor Him and what He is, which is the Truth, the Way, the Life.

But in all ranks of Christianity there are those who honor the Truth of God, hence they are the ones who need to know and respond accordingly, though they be the very few.
 

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Well that’s the case any time one speaks or repeats the Truth of God, thing is, guys like Jerimiah never gave up. And why didn’t he you ask? It was his love for the Lord even though his own people in most cases either rejected him and or what the Lord told Jerimiah to tell Israel. It can really suck, and the Lord knows it, hence the Lord's honoring of those who honor Him and what He is, which is the Truth, the Way, the Life.

But in all ranks of Christianity there are those who honor the Truth of God, hence they are the ones who need to know and respond accordingly, though they be the very few.


Mary according to tradition and the bible only ever had one child - twinc
 

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Mary according to tradition and the bible only ever had one child - twinc
GINOLJC, to all. ONE Child at a time. first the Lord Jesus. then his brothers, and sisters, not in chronological order of course James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, (aka Jude) and her, Mary daughters, starting with Salome, that we know of by BIBLE, and not tradition :cool:.

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GINOLJC, to all. ONE Child at a time. first the Lord Jesus. then his brothers, and sisters, not in chronological order of course James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas, (aka Jude) and her, Mary daughters, starting with Salome, that we know of by BIBLE, and not tradition :cool:.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.


we know nothing of the sort either by tradition or the bible only by individual vivid imagination claiming inspiration etc imho - btw it seems they were all older than Jesus for they said He was mad and tried to restrain Him - they either had not been told or convinced by Joseph and Mary as to who exactly Jesus was and James it seems was only finally convinced shortly before his own death - twinc
 
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it does not say we know nothing - it says nothing of the sort - twinc
GINOLJC, to all.

Twinc, twinc, leave it alone. you have no scripture. oral traditions is useless. the Lord Jesus said it best, Mark 7:6-9 "He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

now, no need to respond if you have no scripture to support your position, because it will be only vain jangling. and for those kind of conversation is what facebook and tweeter are made for.

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Twinc, twinc, leave it alone. you have no scripture. oral traditions is useless. the Lord Jesus said it best, Mark 7:6-9 "He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition."

now, no need to respond if you have no scripture to support your position, because it will be only vain jangling. and for those kind of conversation is what facebook and tweeter are made for.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.


again it goes unnoticed exactly who is being addressed here [Mk 7:6-9] and who is being addressed here [Mt 16:19/18:18] imho - twinc
 

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Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe". Galatians 3:22

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Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit".

"But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe". Galatians 3:22

Peace in Christ Yeshua.


what exactly has this to do with the topic/post/subject - twinc