Can a Christian be only partly saved?

[GodsGrace]

person? depends, bring me what they are saying, and let's put it through the fire. if it lives, then i will trust them that far. Ignatius fails pretty quick tho, sry. Doesn't mean i distrust everything he writes, but neither would i be reading him for truth any longer.

i know that as soon as i leave, the wolves will come in, not sparing the flock

What did ignatius say that you dont like?

Only jesus was perfect.

 

[pastor marty]

HOW DO WE KNOW THE TRUTH???

I assume this is a rhetorical question. But 4 the benefit of them actually pondering this;OK !!(1)Statement fits fact,"that is a rock !" (2)absolute/ie. "that is a rock & can never B anything else"(3)simply IS/kinda like GOD/ & who cares if some refute/obfuscate/refuse 2 accept it ! An old sayin during Nam was,"it is what it is;bro;can ya digit ??" <m>

 

[GodsGrace]

If we learn truth from men, then the original source is still God, the source of all knowledge, but even the Apostle Paul advised disciples to study the scripture to see that the things that he said were true. The problem is with people who for whatever reason, never crack the binding of a bible to examine the written word of God. Now, with audio recordings of scripture available people with the financial means remain without excuse, and there's always libraries available with the exception of remote and isolated places. Even in those places there are ministries that provide short wave radios and biblical exegetical programming.

When i was teaching kids, i had found a bible for them to buy that cost about $4.50 in dollars.
Only one of them had a bible...his grandfather's.

In the inside cover he had written, Your word is a lamp unto my feet.
It brought tears to my eyes because it's so out of the norm here.

 

[pastor marty]

I don't know a single born again believer who does the sort of thing you attribute to Christians, but there are a lot of self righteous pretenders and wannabees that go about banging the brass, some even on this web site.

******Just what do I attribute 2 Christs'men that U find inappropriate??

 

[pastor marty]

When i was teaching kids, i had found a bible for them to buy that cost about $4.50 in dollars.
Only one of them had a bible...his grandfather's.

In the inside cover he had written, Your word is a lamp unto my feet.
It brought tears to my eyes because it's so out of the norm here.[/QUOTE) ^^^^^^U practiced,"suffer the children,etc."in real time...My admiration grows.Tears of hope here become diamonds in Heaven ! (ME)

 

[bbyrd009]

What did ignatius say that you dont like?

Only jesus was perfect.

oh, we went over Ignatius several weeks ago, when you first got here, remember? I like most of what he says, ok, for a newbie he is good stuff. I don't doubt that he had good intentions. Prolly the Jesus-worship that threw me off i guess, and you can worship Jesus if you want to, you don't have to acknowledge those vv that say otherwise if you don't want to, either. I'm pretty sure God understands.

you might reflect on the meaning of storing manna away for tomorrow, 2 Greeks came to worship Jesus, and he hid from them, no one knows, not even the Son, only the Father, etc but i'm repeating myself now, maybe Marty has some facts that might fit everyone's perspective better

 

[GodsGrace]

I assume this is a rhetorical question. But 4 the benefit of them actually pondering this;OK !!(1)Statement fits fact,"that is a rock !" (2)absolute/ie. "that is a rock & can never B anything else"(3)simply IS/kinda like GOD/ & who cares if some refute/obfuscate/refuse 2 accept it ! An old sayin during Nam was,"it is what it is;bro;can ya digit ??" <m>

Yes it is, of course.
Jesus is the truth.
John 18:38

He was staring straight at it.

I trust what Jesus said.

 

[bbyrd009]

Only jesus was perfect.

well then, just reflect on everything Jesus said on the matter, and all those times He referred to Himself as "Son of God," and go from there i guess. i agree, fwiw. With everything Christ said.

melted rocks are called lava, btw

 

[GodsGrace]

oh, we went over Ignatius several weeks ago, when you first got here, remember? I like most of what he says, ok, for a newbie he is good stuff. I don't doubt that he had good intentions. Prolly the Jesus-worship that threw me off i guess, and you can worship Jesus if you want to, you don't have to acknowledge those vv that say otherwise if you don't want to, either. I'm pretty sure God understands

Sure God understands.
You think He's mad at me dontcha?

Luke 22:70
New American Standard Bible
And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."


And how about:
John 20:28
"My Lord and My God."
Jesus DID NOT correct Thomas.

And again:

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."
NASB

Are we one with God??
I don't think so...

 

[pastor marty]

well then, just reflect on everything Jesus said on the matter, and all those times He referred to Himself as "Son of God," and go from there i guess. i agree, fwiw. With everything Christ said.

melted rocks are called lava, btw

When they cool they are rocks again Just can't help sowing doubt & trying 2 B clever What are U ?? 14 ??

 

[pastor marty]

well then, just reflect on everything Jesus said on the matter, and all those times He referred to Himself as "Son of God," and go from there i guess. i agree, fwiw. With everything Christ said.

melted rocks are called lava, btw

When they cool they are rocks again Just can't help sowing doubt & trying 2 B clever What are U ?? 14 ??

 

[pastor marty]

well then, just reflect on everything Jesus said on the matter, and all those times He referred to Himself as "Son of God," and go from there i guess. i agree, fwiw. With everything Christ said.

melted rocks are called lava, btw

When they cool they are rocks again Just can't help sowing doubt & trying 2 B clever What are U ?? 14 ??

 

[GodsGrace]

When they cool they are rocks again Just can't help sowing doubt & trying 2 B clever What are U ?? 14 ??

He's a big grown up Pastor M.
He's just a lot more intelligent than most of us here.
He can believe Jesus is the Son of God.
I just don't know how then one could be called a Christian??
That's a problem for me, but I love bb.

 

[bbyrd009]

Sure God understands.
You think He's mad at me dontcha?

Luke 22:70
New American Standard Bible
And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, "Yes, I am."


And how about:
John 20:28
"My Lord and My God."
Jesus DID NOT correct Thomas.

And again:

John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."
NASB

Are we one with God??
I don't think so...

ah, i'm not interested in arguing translations any more, and i don't have it in me today to go and Lex yours here, sorry.

Luke 22:70
They all asked, "Are You, then, the Son of God?" And He said to them, "You say that I am."

and etc, ok
and i don't think God is mad at any of His children; we all reap what we sow, and the rain falls on the evil and the good

 

[bbyrd009]

see, you're doing the Stranger Thing now, where the opposing vv get no consideration, and i am required to debate from your polluted and apparently singular translation, wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

When they cool they are rocks again Just can't help sowing doubt & trying 2 B clever What are U ?? 14 ??

well, i hope you understand that the point here is that your oracle has been refuted, and rocks can, in fact, ever be something else, and there is no doubt at all about that, wadr

"that is a rock & can never B anything else"

ty for playing though, love the spin

 

[pastor marty]

He's a big grown up Pastor M.
He's just a lot more intelligent than most of us here.
He can believe Jesus is the Son of God.
I just don't know how then one could be called a Christian??
That's a problem for me, but I love bb.

****A Kray computer knows lotsa stuff too/intelligence isn't wisdom,Dint Paulie say sompin like;"If I know everything & am still a jerk;doth it benefit believers ?"

 

[bbyrd009]

I trust what Jesus said.

ha, except the "Son of Man" part, i guess?

 

[bbyrd009]

****A Kray computer knows lotsa stuff too/intelligence isn't wisdom,Dint Paulie say sompin like;"If I know everything & am still a jerk;doth it benefit believers ?"

ah, well, maybe i owe you an apology? didn't realize i was being a jerk to you anywhere, mind quoting it for me? ty

 

[pastor marty]

see, you're doing the Stranger Thing now, where the opposing vv get no consideration, and i am required to debate from your polluted crap, wadr

**** work out yer own salvation/I'm done singing 2 stones.wasta breath !! "sayin "pollut/crap" tells neither me or anyone else what yer referring to.When U cease pounding the ground w/yer club.BAMBAM ,the other grownups can help U...