God says Jesus IS God!!!

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Hebrews 1:5 Context

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, this is TRUE. The Son of God is a Title which no angel holds. only humans are called this title also. so that also rules out the Genesis 6 question concerning angels as "sons of God".

but to put it in perspective, Isaiah 9:6 clearly makes the connection of God the Spirit (Father) and God the diversified spirit (the OFFSPRING) the Son "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

here clearly a CHILD is "BORN". but a SON is "GIVEN" that's two different operations.

what's born is flesh and God came in flesh. but the Son (spirit) is the one who came.

so true the Son is God in the CONCRETE form here on Earth, supportive scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

the only one who is EQUAL "WITH" not to, but EQUAL "WITH" God is God himself. supportive scripture, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". or this Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?"

so yes JESUS is God in flesh on Earth.

PCY

 

[APAK]

GINOLJC, this is TRUE. The Son of God is a Title which no angel holds. only humans are called this title also. so that also rules out the Genesis 6 question concerning angels as "sons of God".

but to put it in perspective, Isaiah 9:6 clearly makes the connection of God the Spirit (Father) and God the diversified spirit (the OFFSPRING) the Son "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

here clearly a CHILD is "BORN". but a SON is "GIVEN" that's two different operations.

what's born is flesh and God came in flesh. but the Son (spirit) is the one who came.

so true the Son is God in the CONCRETE form here on Earth, supportive scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

the only one who is EQUAL "WITH" not to, but EQUAL "WITH" God is God himself. supportive scripture, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". or this Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?"

so yes JESUS is God in flesh on Earth.

PCY

101G:

I just wanted to point out that you may want to reconsider your meaning of Philippians 2:6

Look at the entire scripture area……

(Php 2:1) So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy,
(Php 2:2) complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.
(Php 2:3) Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
(Php 2:4) Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
(Php 2:5) Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
(Php 2:6) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
(Php 2:7) but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
(Php 2:8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
(Php 2:9) Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
(Php 2:10) so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
(Php 2:11) and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (ALL ESV)

The focus of this passage (2:1-5) is about a believer having the mind of Christ given by the spirit of God.
The focus of this passage (2:6-11) is about Christ, who had/has the mind of God and never once took credit that it was his own mind and power performing the miracles and words that God spoke though Jesus.

In verse 6 it is worth noting that someone already being God would not grasp equality of being God if he was God in the first place. Why grasp for something you already possess? Sounds quite odd and something to consider seriously here is verse 6..

So, Jesus did not consider himself to be equal with God just because he spoke, acted and performed miracles, because God caused all of it. Jesus stayed humble as a servant throughout and allowed his Father to work through his mind without taking any credit. He gave all the credit to his Father and our Father as he was obedient throughout.

God gave him a glory higher that any creation in heaven and on earth so that all must honor and bow to him as our Lord that is the glory of God.
Now for a little technical stuff…

Php 2:6 -8

The word ‘form’ is in Greek ‘morphe’ this word means ‘outer’ appearance, likeness, or image and not inner nature. If Jesus was meant to be mean God, there would be no need to ‘beat around the bush’ and say, ‘a form of.’ As we are ‘a form’ of Christ in mind, although not Christ. It would have stated he was God in the flesh.

Now the Greek word ‘morphe’ is usually interchangeable with the Greek word ‘schema’ for the English word ‘external appearance.’ There is no hint of ‘inner nature’ here.

It is good to find another verse describing Jesus and his outward appearance.

Look at Mark 16:12-13

(Mar 16:12) After these things he appeared in another form to two of them, as they were walking into the country.
(Mar 16:13) And they went back and told the rest, but they did not believe them. (ALL ESV)

We see in verse 12 that the Greek word ‘morphe’ is used to indicate the change in Jesus’ outward appearance. Jesus did not change his ‘inner nature’ in front of these two apostles. He had a changed appearance and the apostle did not recognize him at first. Luke tells this story in full.

When the Jews translated the Septuagint and the RCC sanctioned Apocrypha, from Greek into Hebrew, they always translated, ‘morphe’ as ‘outer appearance’ and never inner nature.

We can understand that ‘a form of’ or ‘an image of’ is not the genuine article, right? Jesus was not intended to be called God here.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Stranger]

101G:

I just wanted to point out that you may want to reconsider your meaning of Philippians 2:6

Look at the entire scripture area……

(Php 2:1) So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy,
(Php 2:2) complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.
(Php 2:3) Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
(Php 2:4) Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
(Php 2:5) Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
(Php 2:6) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
(Php 2:7) but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
(Php 2:8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
(Php 2:9) Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
(Php 2:10) so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
(Php 2:11) and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (ALL ESV)

The focus of this passage (2:1-5) is about a believer having the mind of Christ given by the spirit of God.
The focus of this passage (2:6-11) is about Christ, who had/has the mind of God and never once took credit that it was his own mind and power performing the miracles and words that God spoke though Jesus.

In verse 6 it is worth noting that someone already being God would not grasp equality of being God if he was God in the first place. Why grasp for something you already possess? Sounds quite odd and something to consider seriously here is verse 6..

So, Jesus did not consider himself to be equal with God just because he spoke, acted and performed miracles, because God caused all of it. Jesus stayed humble as a servant throughout and allowed his Father to work through his mind without taking any credit. He gave all the credit to his Father and our Father as he was obedient throughout.

God gave him a glory higher that any creation in heaven and on earth so that all must honor and bow to him as our Lord that is the glory of God.
Now for a little technical stuff…

Php 2:6 -8

The word ‘form’ is in Greek ‘morphe’ this word means ‘outer’ appearance, likeness, or image and not inner nature. If Jesus was meant to be mean God, there would be no need to ‘beat around the bush’ and say, ‘a form of.’ As we are ‘a form’ of Christ in mind, although not Christ. It would have stated he was God in the flesh.

Now the Greek word ‘morphe’ is usually interchangeable with the Greek word ‘schema’ for the English word ‘external appearance.’ There is no hint of ‘inner nature’ here.

It is good to find another verse describing Jesus and his outward appearance.

Look at Mark 16:12-13

(Mar 16:12) After these things he appeared in another form to two of them, as they were walking into the country.
(Mar 16:13) And they went back and told the rest, but they did not believe them. (ALL ESV)

We see in verse 12 that the Greek word ‘morphe’ is used to indicate the change in Jesus’ outward appearance. Jesus did not change his ‘inner nature’ in front of these two apostles. He had a changed appearance and the apostle did not recognize him at first. Luke tells this story in full.

When the Jews translated the Septuagint and the RCC sanctioned Apocrypha, from Greek into Hebrew, they always translated, ‘morphe’ as ‘outer appearance’ and never inner nature.

We can understand that ‘a form of’ or ‘an image of’ is not the genuine article, right? Jesus was not intended to be called God here.

Bless you,

APAK

You are so full of bs. In (Philippians 2:6) what does it mean that Christ was in the 'form of God'? See (Heb. 1:3) "...the express image of his person...."

Sure, you would like to find another verse as this verse so perfectly describes Christ as God.

The so called 'Septuagint' is as worthless as the 'Apocrypha'. I am not surprised you would reference them both.

Jesus Christ is the God/Man. He is both God and Man. Deity and humanity in one person.

Jesus Christ is intended to be called God throughout the Scripture.

Stranger

 

[Nomad]

101G:
In verse 6 it is worth noting that someone already being God would not grasp equality of being God if he was God in the first place. Why grasp for something you already possess? Sounds quite odd and something to consider seriously here is verse 6.

The first rule of hermeneutics is context, context, context. Your strange take on Php. 2:6 falls apart as soon as verse 7 comes into play. The only way to grasp something is to already have it in your possession. You cannot grasp what you don't have. Likewise, you cannot "empty" yourself of what you never had in the first place. Also, your Greek exegesis leaves a little to be desired. Suffice it to say, "morphe" does not mean "to masquerade" as you seem to indicate. It actually points to a real state of affairs. Verse 6 describes Jesus' preincarnate state. Verse 7 describes his incarnate state. Paul's flow of thought couldn't be more clear.

Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

 

[APAK]

You are so full of bs. In (Philippians 2:6) what does it mean that Christ was in the 'form of God'? See (Heb. 1:3) "...the express image of his person...."

Sure, you would like to find another verse as this verse so perfectly describes Christ as God.

The so called 'Septuagint' is as worthless as the 'Apocrypha'. I am not surprised you would reference them both.

Jesus Christ is the God/Man. He is both God and Man. Deity and humanity in one person.

Jesus Christ is intended to be called God throughout the Scripture.

Stranger

I'm sorry you feel you have to get upset over my writing. Judging from your tone you already have your mind sealed, maybe be for years. I suggest you read more scripture and learn more. Are we wearing our trinity lens again? You might want to take them out so you might understand scripture better, using the spirit of Christ if it is available to you.

 

[101G]

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The word ‘form’ is in Greek ‘morphe’ this word means ‘outer’ appearance, likeness, or image and not inner nature. If Jesus was meant to be mean God, there would be no need to ‘beat around the bush’ and say, ‘a form of.’ As we are ‘a form’ of Christ in mind, although not Christ. It would have stated he was God in the flesh.

Thanks for the reply, I found it.

but I must disagree with your assessment.

A. there are two types of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. meaning "FORM". please note that G3444 μορφή morphe here is a NOUN and not an adjective. so it's not describing anything, it telling "WHO" that's what noun do.

B. knowing A above, G3444 μορφή morphe is IDENTIFYING the "inner" FORM. what do I mean, character, or the characteristics of the PERSON. see God is a Spirit, (John 4:24a) ABSTRACT, and in the flesh that which is ABSTRACT is MADE CONCRETE. so what you cannot see is now made visible.

understand the inner G3444 μορφή morphe is IDENTIFYING the "SON". why do I say this? because the term Son, G5207, huios, when used metaphorically means the character or the characteristics of the person.

supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".

here the "Express Image" is the,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

see definition #2. a “character,”............ the figure stamped. a stamped thing is the IMAGE. not a copy, but "THE FULL SHARE" of the thing or person.

see SON is the FULL SHARE of the ESSENCE of God which is Spirit.

and ESSENCE means, 1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character". synonyms with soul, spirit, nature

conclusion: God himself in flesh.

PCY.

 

[APAK]

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Thanks for the reply, I found it.

but I must disagree with your assessment.

A. there are two types of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. meaning "FORM". please note that G3444 μορφή morphe here is a NOUN and not an adjective. so it's not describing anything, it telling "WHO" that's what noun do.

B. knowing A above, G3444 μορφή morphe is IDENTIFYING the "inner" FORM. what do I mean, character, or the characteristics of the PERSON. see God is a Spirit, (John 4:24a) ABSTRACT, and in the flesh that which is ABSTRACT is MADE CONCRETE. so what you cannot see is now made visible.

understand the inner G3444 μορφή morphe is IDENTIFYING the "SON". why do I say this? because the term Son, G5207, huios, when used metaphorically means the character or the characteristics of the person.

supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high".

here the "Express Image" is the,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

see definition #2. a “character,”............ the figure stamped. a stamped thing is the IMAGE. not a copy, but "THE FULL SHARE" of the thing or person.

see SON is the FULL SHARE of the ESSENCE of God which is Spirit.

and ESSENCE means, 1. the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something, especially something abstract, that determines its character". synonyms with soul, spirit, nature

conclusion: God himself in flesh.

PCY.

I see you have formed a network of connections and statements to make then fit your expected result...using essentially lexicon and dictionary sources and manipulating them at will.

Form ---> inner form ---->Son ----> Heb 1:3 (expressive image of his person) ---> character ----> Image
Son ---> Full share ----> essence ----> intrinsic nature -----> God = human
It makes no sense especially if you are trying to convince someone else

It's not that simple. You have apply serious use of language and apply it directly to scripture and its context. And not the way you have used manipulative logic resulting in misleading and doubtful results.

Also you are lacking other scripture to support your logic and claim. You have come up with your conclusion in nearly a vacuum.

Just saying,​

You have your recipe I have mine...all good



APAK

 

[101G]

I see you have formed a network of connections and statements to make then fit your expected result...using essentially lexicon and dictionary sources and manipulating them at will.

Form ---> inner form ---->Son ----> Heb 1:3 (expressive image of his person) ---> character ----> Image
Son ---> Full share ----> essence ----> intrinsic nature -----> God = human
It makes no sense especially if you are trying to convince someone else

It's not that simple. You have apply serious use of language and apply it directly to scripture and its context. And not the way you have used manipulative logic resulting in misleading and doubtful results.

Also you are lacking other scripture to support your logic and claim. You have come up with your conclusion in nearly a vacuum.

Just saying,​

You have your recipe I have mine...all good



APAK

1. Oh, it makes very GOOD sense.

2. I have supporting scripture.

3. U said, "You have your recipe I have mine...all good".

no, it's not all Good. I have no recipe nor do you. only God and all of us must follow him.

Now if you can find any corrections in what I said, please point it out.

I suggest we start to discuss at Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".

if I may start it off, I suggest you look at the root of G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.

and understand what FORM is being spoken of in Philippians 2:6.

I'll be looking for your response.

PCY.

 

[Stranger]

I'm sorry you feel you have to get upset over my writing. Judging from your tone you already have your mind sealed, maybe be for years. I suggest you read more scripture and learn more. Are we wearing our trinity lens again? You might want to take them out so you might understand scripture better, using the spirit of Christ if it is available to you.

Please, don't play the 'I'm sorry' act. When someone denies the Deity of Jesus Christ, yes I get upset over it and do not apologize for it. Indeed my mind and spirit are sealed and have been for years. And your manipulation and denial of Scripture is not going to sway me in the least.

No, I am wearing Bible believing lenses. And I asked you a couple of questions. What does it mean that Jesus is in the form of God and the express image of His Person?

Stranger