It doesn't disturb me as much as some other doctrines.A very dangerous doctrine.
Why do you think it's dangerous?
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It doesn't disturb me as much as some other doctrines.A very dangerous doctrine.
Absolutely not. However, Sabbath breakers as well as all believers who sin will be judged and lose rewards in the Kingdom.Are you one of those that believes Sunday worshippers are lost?
We are to love God 24/7. We simply are not permitted to work on the 7th day Sabbath.I'm a Sunday worshipper.
The question is, can you love God on a Sunday if you are not Jewish?
Great post except for the following statement which I don't wish to discuss in this thread so as not to derail it.I am bemused by a common argument used against the observance of Sabbath; that is that ” Jesus is now my Sabbath rest” because this or that one has ceased from his own works. The insinuation is that those who do observe the Sabbath as a day of rest according to the commandment, have not ceased from their own works.
My question is this, though it seems obvious to me: how can anyone observe the day as a Sabbath, without ceasing from his/her own works?
As a corollary to this, can we observe any commandment without ceasing from our own works? Does not death to self and the infilling of the Holy Spirit create in us the image of Christ? Is this not called sanctification? And because we are transformed into the image of Christ, would it also not be in conformity to the law that Christ wrote on the tables of stone, and which He now writes on the tables of our hearts? We can’t accomplish this without surrender ; without ceasing from our own works. Sanctification is simply that. The changing of the life through the grace and power of God to make it conformable to God’s standards of righteousness. And Ezekiel tells us that by being willing to observe the Sabbath, the day, we are acknowledging that it is God Who is doing the sanctifying, and not we ourselves. (Ezek. 20:12) So by keeping the Sabbath, it is actually a sign we have indeed ceased from our own works, and trusting in Christ’s working in us His righteousness.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Further to this, no Christian I know of whatever denomination, would suggest that because Jesus fulfilled the law, it is now legitimate for Christians to commit murder, because they are no longer under the law. That would surely be quite preposterous. Yet we constantly witness claims by many that because we are not under the law, we are no longer obliged to honor it. This is so incredibly inconsistent. The reason I am not under the law is not because the law has been done away with, but because the blood of Jesus has released me from it’s condemnation. That however does not release me from it’s power to convict me again of sin should I choose to disobey it.
This also applies to the 4th commandment. Just because Jesus fulfilled the law by keeping the Sabbath, , (that is He kept the law, obeyed it and thus magnified the law making it honorable) that does not release me from my obligation to keep the Sabbath, magnifying it and making it honorable. (See Isaiah 58:13,14.) If obligation makes anyone feel uncomfortable, sorry, but I would use that same word for every one of the ten commandments. We are obliged to love our neighbor and thus not commit adultery, not covet, not steal, not get angry and kill, and respect and honor our parents. We are also obliged to love God by confessing Him as the One and Only true God, Maker of heaven and earth, and all things therein. Because He is our Creator, He has sole rights to our worship, our fidelity and service. That is why we shun idols. It is also why we would not dare to use His name disrespectfully. It is also why we choose to honor that day which recognises Him as our Creator, and brings to our remembrance why He deserves our worship, and why the whole law and our keeping it is a recognition of His authority in our lives.
To my mind the only arguments against the observance of Sabbath are ones of subjective interpretation, an example of which is the aforementioned “Jesus is my Sabbath rest” argument. There is simply no scripture anywhere in the Bible suggesting that by accepting the rest that Christ offers us through the blood of His cross, and the forgiveness of sins, replaces the Sabbath commandment. By placing such an interpretation on scripture, by reading into scripture such an understanding where no clear instruction exists, we are adding to the word of God and we are placing our own authority above God’s.
He does cover for our past sins, but tells us, 'go and sin no more'. We will not be held guiltless if we had at our hands the means by which we can discern truth. Wilful ignorance is not covered. There is light in Jesus, and in the Bible. If we do not avail ourselves of this light, then Jesus does not excuse our laziness. "Study to show thyself approved". So long as we have the scriptures to teach and guide, there is no real excuse for misunderstanding.The same way He covers for our sins, He'll also cover for this if I and many others have misunderstood.
Matthew 28 is written as an historical account of post resurrection events. It is not written to teach some profound message encoded within the text.
The bold in Greek is the exact same phrase as in Matthew 28:1. Does "sabbaton" refer to a new age of Sabbaths here? Of course not! It refers to Sunday just as it does in Matthew 28:1.
Correct. It is not addressing work which is obviously forbidden. It is addressing the deeper spiritual ways to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy.
Really? Please provide a source.The term “next ” in Acts 13:42, 44 is the Greek word meaning “between.”
No it is a covenant between God and the Israelite which you have " stolen' or added yourself top. Our covenant is with Christ by His works on the cross, God never made a covenant with us in the hold,Yes, the Sabbath is a "perpetual covenant" aside from the Old Covenant. It is also a sign given by our Creator that we may know it is He (YHWH) who sets us apart (sanctifies us
how do you understand the first part of Matthew 28:1? As I understood the verse to mean is that at the end of the Sabbaths (can only mean the era of Saturday Sabbaths is coming to an end) as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths (a new era of Sabbaths is coming into view).
It cannot be seen in the English Bible translations and why God allowed the miss-translation is beyond me.
Furthermore, the word “day” is italicized which the translators warns the reader that the word “day” was not in the original manuscripts. Perhaps the translators had no idea how to make of this problematic verse so they inserted the word “day” and changed the original word “Sabbaths” into “week.” We know this is not done and against the rules of any language structure,
So since we all sin where all going to hell.Absolutely not. However, Sabbath breakers as well as all believers who sin will be judged and lose rewards in the Kingdom.
The nature of the Seventh Day Sabbath was not to do any kind of work. By contrast, the Sunday Sabbath is to do work. "Spiritual work" that is as God declared in Isaiah 58:13-14!
Many Christians go to ball games, picnics, movies, or play sports at the park after Sunday Worship, and these activities are against Isaiah 58:13-14.
I thought you had something new to add when I asked you to expound on Acts 13:42, 44. But you are like the rest. What a waste of 32 years of studying the 4th Commandment with nothing to show for. The guy that you listened to when you were younger was a blind leader. So sorry for you. Seems Satan is winning the war but I know better.
Again, you failed to understand Scriptures. The term “next ” in Acts 13:42, 44 is the Greek word meaning “between.” Go ahead check me out and see if I am wrong. Indeed the next sabbath in between the Seventh Day Sabbaths would have been the Sunday Sabbath just as Matthew 28 have declared.
Matthew 28 is written as an historical account of post resurrection events. It is not written to teach some profound message encoded within the text.
YES, 'It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath.' YES, 'It doesn’t make sense', because the second following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week”, NOT 'the first of the Sabbaths'!It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath. It doesn’t make sense because the following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” meaning an era of new Sabbaths is dawning/coming in the horizon while the old Sabbaths is ending. It is irrelevant whether the Feast of Unleavened Bread, or the Seventh Day Sabbath, or both are in view,
Be it willful ignorance or not, I was taught all my life that we worship on Sunday because that's when Jesus was resurrected. It's not until recently that I started to mull this over. The excuse for misunderstanding is that we're human.He does cover for our past sins, but tells us, 'go and sin no more'. We will not be held guiltless if we had at our hands the means by which we can discern truth. Wilful ignorance is not covered. There is light in Jesus, and in the Bible. If we do not avail ourselves of this light, then Jesus does not excuse our laziness. "Study to show thyself approved". So long as we have the scriptures to teach and guide, there is no real excuse for misunderstanding.
So are you saying that all this depends on the interpretation for Mathew 28:1-2???YES, 'It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath.' YES, 'It doesn’t make sense', because the second following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week”, NOT 'the first of the Sabbaths'!
You, like Gadar Perets, have NO INKLING of NT and Christian, Koineh Greek IDIOM, that's why!
Yes, I also was taught the same. But the moment I was shown how the change came about...that in the beginning only the Roman and Alexandrian churches honored Sunday, and everywhere else still honored the Sabbath, and that change came not through careful and prayerful Bible study but through compulsion and persecution, then the decision was easy.Be it willful ignorance or not, I was taught all my life that we worship on Sunday because that's when Jesus was resurrected. It's not until recently that I started to mull this over. The excuse for misunderstanding is that we're human.
Calvinists misunderstsand too, but I don't believe they're going to hell based on their doctrine.
I see scripture speaking of the first day of the week. As in John 20:1, the first day of the week was Sunday, not Saturday.Yes, I also was taught the same. But the moment I was shown how the change came about...that in the beginning only the Roman and Alexandrian churches honored Sunday, and everywhere else still honored the Sabbath, and that change came not through careful and prayerful Bible study but through compulsion and persecution, then the decision was easy.
It is irrelevant whether the Feast of Unleavened Bread, or the Seventh Day Sabbath, or both are in view,
If Matt 28 is not speaking about the era of past Sabbaths and about the dawning of a new era of Sabbaths coming in the horizon, then it is obvious you must know more than God.