Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[pia]

Is this a question asked in Love? Not even close.

No, I am serious....Do you believe that Jesus is risen, that He has a body still of flesh and bone ? But He can also be pure Light.....If you get pleasure out of honoring God on the sabbath, that is a lovely thing......He gets pleasure, when you do, within all that is of Love.......There is however a place of Sabbath, In Him, where we are offered His very own peace...He finished His work and is at rest....we are offered to have that rest In Him... sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent...We just see that a lot on this forum..

 

[pia]

This issue of Love is simply a personal attack

Love and attack are two words that do not belong in the same realm....One is of God, one is not

 

[mjrhealth]

You say you keep these commandments greater than there is none? Admirable! Christ like man!

One can only try, i would rather face Christ and grace than stand before a court for breaking His laws. And when they say," but I am under grace", all Jesus will be able to do is weep for another and say" but you choose the law over me".

We are supposed to be the bride of Christ but many have chosen a different husband, the law. That is adultry,

Rom_7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

And so break the law, funny how law keepers spend there whole existence breaking it.

WHats it say of sin

Joh_16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh_16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

and so in guilt they run to teh law.

God bless

 

[gadar perets]

Anyway, how do you understand the first part of Matthew 28:1? As I understood the verse to mean is that at the end of the Sabbaths (can only mean the era of Saturday Sabbaths is coming to an end) as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths (a new era of Sabbaths is coming into view).


It cannot be seen in the English Bible translations and why God allowed the miss-translation is beyond me.


Matthew 28:1 reads: “In the end of the Sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week...”


This first half of Matthew 28:1 is what I’ll focus on.


The word “Sabbath” in Greek is the plural word “sabaton” and note the word “week” is also the identical plural Greek word “sabaton.” The word “week” is singular in the English language and contrary to the plural Greek word “sabaton.” We see how the first part of the passage makes sense and much clearer in the Greek.

Your conclusion that “Sabbaths” refers to the end of the era of Saturday Sabbaths is totally unwarranted. The word is plural because it is referring to two Sabbaths (the weekly Sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread coincided that year on Abib 16). Yeshua died on Friday, Abib 14. He was in the tomb on Saturday, Abib 15. When the sun set on Abib 15, both Sabbaths ended.

Furthermore, the word “day” is italicized which the translators warns the reader that the word “day” was not in the original manuscripts. Perhaps the translators had no idea how to make of this problematic verse so they inserted the word “day” and changed the original word “Sabbaths” into “week.” We know this is not done and against the rules of any language structure, but God allowed it. Perhaps to foster unbelief?

According to the Misn. Taanilh, c. 4. sect. 3, when discussing the four Jewish fast days (Monday-Thursday) the Jews referred to each day of the week as “the second of the Sabbath, ” “the third of the Sabbath”, “or week” etc.

The nature of the Seventh Day Sabbath was not to do any kind of work. By contrast, the Sunday Sabbath is to do work. "Spiritual work" that is as God declared in Isaiah 58:13-14.

The work we are to do are for example: study the Bible, write letters to love ones and tell them about the Gospel, visit hospitals or prisons to share Gospel, attend service at church, have Bible studies, give our tithes, and so forth.

Many Christians go to ball games, picnics, movies, or play sports at the park after Sunday Worship, and these activities are against Isaiah 58:13-14.

Spiritual work is permissible on the 7th day Sabbath as Yeshua taught. It was the Jews that taught certain works such as healing were not permitted on Sabbath. Yeshua restored the true understanding of the 7th day Sabbath. Isaiah 58:13-14 has absolutely nothing to do with Sunday. There is nothing in Scripture supporting the man-made “Sunday Sabbath”. That is simply the exaltation of the traditions of men over the commandments of YHWH.

 

[gadar perets]

No, I am serious....Do you believe that Jesus is risen, that He has a body still of flesh and bone ? But He can also be pure Light.....If you get pleasure out of honoring God on the sabbath, that is a lovely thing......He gets pleasure, when you do, within all that is of Love.......There is however a place of Sabbath, In Him, where we are offered His very own peace...He finished His work and is at rest....we are offered to have that rest In Him... sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent...We just see that a lot on this forum..

Yes, I believe Yeshua is risen, but I don't celebrate his resurrection on the man made "Easter". I celebrate it on Abib 16 each year which is the anniversary of it. The only reason he resurrected on a Sunday was because Abib 16 was a Sunday that year. If your son is born on Sunday, March 20th, do you celebrate his birthday on Sunday every year? No. You celebrate it on March 20th every year.

We have a spiritual rest and peace through Yeshua, but we do NOT have a physical Sabbath rest through him. That can only come through the Sabbath rest which forbids us to do physical work.

 

[gadar perets]

Love and attack are two words that do not belong in the same realm....One is of God, one is not

I agree. So please address the Sabbath issue by addressing Scripture and stop making personal assumptions/accusations about me or Sabbath keepers in general. I ask the same of anyone else on this forum.

Concerning Scripture, please show me a command from the Father, Son or an Apostle to either change the Sabbath to Sunday or to abolish it altogether.

 

[Triumph1300]

With Jesus’ atonement, we are no longer required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15).
The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law, but we are not.

 

[gadar perets]

With Jesus’ atonement, we are no longer required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15).
The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law, but we are not.

Is it a requirement that you not commit murder, adultery and thefts? Yes. Does that make you "under the Law"? No. "Under the Law" means under its condemnation if broken.

 

[Triumph1300]

First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were reinstituted in the New Testament: five in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and honor parents; in Rom. 13:9, coveting; worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments.

The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

But of course you disagree with this as well.
No problem.

For me, any day can be the sabbath day.

 

[gadar perets]

First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were reinstituted in the New Testament: five in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and honor parents; in Rom. 13:9, coveting; worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments.

The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

But of course you disagree with this as well.
No problem.

For me, any day can be the sabbath day.

The NT's silence on any commandment does not abolish it. Are you free to now move your neighbors boundary marker so you can have more land? Are you free to have sex with animals or with your own wife while she is menstruating?

However, when Yeshua said it is lawful to good on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man (mankind), and that he was Lord of it, he was teaching us the continued validity of it. Or do you believe he is no longer Lord of it since it supposedly doesn't exist anymore?

 

[Triumph1300]

Are you free to have sex with animals or with your own wife while she is menstruating?

I knew your absurd statement was coming.
For some reason I'm not surprised

Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

 

[Phoneman777]

First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were reinstituted in the New Testament: five in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and honor parents; in Rom. 13:9, coveting; worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments.

The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

But of course you disagree with this as well.
No problem.
For me, any day can be the sabbath day.

Hi, regarding your post about the sabbath commandment not being mentioned in the NT, this is a common misconception - in Hebrews 4 the word "rest" (Gr. "kataposis") is used 8 times, but verse 9 reiterates the Sabbath commandment by use of the Gr. "Sabbatismos" which is a reference to the weekly seventh day Sabbath - "There remaineth a "rest" to the people of God". Lamsa correctly translates this in his Peshitta Ancient Eastern MSS version, "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath."

The writer continues saying that if we have entered by faith into God's rest, we will demonstrate that by resting the same way God rested - the only way that Scripture ever records God having rested - from His six days work during Creation week.

Also, just as it is impossible for me to obey your command to keep your fire burning if when I get there your fireplace is stone cold and dark, it is impossible for you to keep "any" day holy that God has not first made holy (only the seventh day Sabbath can be kept holy.

 

[Triumph1300]

• Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

• Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

The first day of the week is Sunday, and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching).

• 1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday.

 

[Jun2u]

Your conclusion that “Sabbaths” refers to the end of the era of Saturday Sabbaths is totally unwarranted. The word is plural because it is referring to two Sabbaths (the weekly Sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread coincided that year on Abib 16). Yeshua died on Friday, Abib 14. He was in the tomb on Saturday, Abib 15. When the sun set on Abib 15, both Sabbaths ended.

It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath. It doesn’t make sense because the following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” meaning an era of new Sabbaths is dawning/coming in the horizon while the old Sabbaths is ending. It is irrelevant whether the Feast of Unleavened Bread, or the Seventh Day Sabbath, or both are in view,

If Matt 28 is not speaking about the era of past Sabbaths and about the dawning of a new era of Sabbaths coming in the horizon, then it is obvious you must know more than God.

BTW, the Feast of Unleavened Bread comes only once a year therefore, your theory of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the weekly Sabbath has both ended is invalid. The correct understanding is as I have already indicated. Otherwise, the phrase, “as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week” must also be true, but we know it can;t be because the word “day” was inserted by the translators, and changed the word “Sabbaths” to “week.”

I urge you to read Isaiah 58:13-14 again very, very carefully because the verses do not pertain to cease from doing work as you have indicated.

Acts 13:42, 44 we read:

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Question: Can you expound on the two passages above?

Thank you

To God Be The Glory

 

[Truth]

Hi, regarding your post about the sabbath commandment not being mentioned in the NT, this is a common misconception - in Hebrews 4 the word "rest" (Gr. "kataposis") is used 8 times, but verse 9 reiterates the Sabbath commandment by use of the Gr. "Sabbatismos" which is a reference to the weekly seventh day Sabbath - "There remaineth a "rest" to the people of God". Lamsa correctly translates this in his Peshitta Ancient Eastern MSS version, "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath."

The writer continues saying that if we have entered by faith into God's rest, we will demonstrate that by resting the same way God rested - the only way that Scripture ever records God having rested - from His six days work during Creation week.

Also, just as it is impossible for me to obey your command to keep your fire burning if when I get there your fireplace is stone cold and dark, it is impossible for you to keep "any" day holy that God has not first made holy (only the seventh day Sabbath can be kept holy.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!! AND THANK YOU AGAIN> TRUTH

 

[gadar perets]

I knew your absurd statement was coming.
For some reason I'm not surprised

You didn't answer the question. I'll answer for you. No, you are not permitted to do those things even though the NT does not forbid us to. Why? Because our Creator commanded us not to in Torah.

Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

First, the word "alike" is in italics in translations such as the KJV because it is not in the Greek. I see your translation has it in normal font. Very deceiving. There is nothing wrong with esteeming every day, after all, YHWH made them all. If we choose to worship Him seven days a week, so be it and halleluyah! However, that does not change the fact that as we worship Him every day we must also rest from labor on one day, the Sabbath. It is a mistake to read the Sabbath into this passage. Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned. Nor can we read any of YHWH's annual sabbaths or feast days into this passage. There were many other "days" that the Jews highly esteemed besides the Sabbath and feasts. For example, most Jews at that time fasted twice a week (Luke 18:12 and Talmudic writings). The Jews also kept fast days throughout the year as mentioned in Zechariah 8:19. Then there was the Feast of Purim (Esther 9:28), and the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah (John 10:22).

The Jewish converts would have probably continued esteeming these days whereas the Gentile converts would probably not, especially since they were not commanded by YHWH to be kept. However, all men knew the Sabbath was commanded and so there was no question about its observance as seen in such verses as Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-44; 14:1.

 

[gadar perets]

• Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

• Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

The first day of the week is Sunday, and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching).

• 1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday.

See posts #4 & #53 which address two of these.

As for Acts 20:7, what does it mean to “break bread”? Does it mean to take “the Lord’s supper” on Sunday? According to Acts 2:42-46, “breaking bread” was done daily. It simply means to have a meal. In Acts 20:7, the disciples finished Sabbath services on Saturday. After the sun set ending Sabbath and beginning the first day of the week, they had a meal together followed by Paul’s preaching until midnight Sunday (our Saturday night). The disciples held this special gathering because their beloved Paul was to leave the next morning (vs. 7). In the morning, he had planned to walk approx. 10 miles to Assos. Notice he would not take this strenuous, tiring trip on Sabbath, but waited instead until Sunday, another work day.

 

[tabletalk]

Your conclusion that “Sabbaths” refers to the end of the era of Saturday Sabbaths is totally unwarranted. The word is plural because it is referring to two Sabbaths (the weekly Sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread coincided that year on Abib 16). Yeshua died on Friday, Abib 14. He was in the tomb on Saturday, Abib 15. When the sun set on Abib 15, both Sabbaths ended.


According to the Misn. Taanilh, c. 4. sect. 3, when discussing the four Jewish fast days (Monday-Thursday) the Jews referred to each day of the week as “the second of the Sabbath, ” “the third of the Sabbath”, “or week” etc.


Spiritual work is permissible on the 7th day Sabbath as Yeshua taught. It was the Jews that taught certain works such as healing were not permitted on Sabbath. Yeshua restored the true understanding of the 7th day Sabbath. Isaiah 58:13-14 has absolutely nothing to do with Sunday. There is nothing in Scripture supporting the man-made “Sunday Sabbath”. That is simply the exaltation of the traditions of men over the commandments of YHWH.

From Colossians 2: 14... "having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us."
: 16. "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,.."

 

[gadar perets]

It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath. It doesn’t make sense because the following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the first of the Sabbaths” meaning an era of new Sabbaths is dawning/coming in the horizon while the old Sabbaths is ending. It is irrelevant whether the Feast of Unleavened Bread, or the Seventh Day Sabbath, or both are in view,

If Matt 28 is not speaking about the era of past Sabbaths and about the dawning of a new era of Sabbaths coming in the horizon, then it is obvious you must know more than God.

Matthew 28 is written as an historical account of post resurrection events. It is not written to teach some profound message encoded within the text.

BTW, the Feast of Unleavened Bread comes only once a year therefore, your theory of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the weekly Sabbath has both ended is invalid. The correct understanding is as I have already indicated. Otherwise, the phrase, “as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week” must also be true, but we know it can;t be because the word “day” was inserted by the translators, and changed the word “Sabbaths” to “week.”

You do not understand the passage at all. It is a fact that the weekly Sabbath and the holy day of Abib 15 fell on the same day the year Yeshua died. Both days started at sundown and ended at sundown and both days require no work to be done (Exodus 12:16). That year, the day Yeshua resurrected started when both the Sabbath and the first holy day of the Feast ended at sundown. I never said the Feast as a whole ended. Only the first day of the Feast (Abib 15) ended. Do you even know when the Feast is to be kept? "The first day of the week" and "the first of the week" mean the same exact thing. The word "day" is not needed, but was put there to clarify in English. As for "sabbaton" being translated "the first of the week", consider 1 Corinthians 16:2;

κατὰ μίαν σαββάτων ἕκαστος ὑμῶν παρ᾿ ἑαυτῷ τιθέτω θησαυρίζων ὅ τι ἐὰν εὐοδῶται, ἵνα μὴ ὅταν ἔλθω τότε λογεῖαι γίνωνται.
Upon the first of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.​

The bold in Greek is the exact same phrase as in Matthew 28:1. Does "sabbaton" refer to a new age of Sabbaths here? Of course not! It refers to Sunday just as it does in Matthew 28:1.

I urge you to read Isaiah 58:13-14 again very, very carefully because the verses do not pertain to cease from doing work as you have indicated.

Correct. It is not addressing work which is obviously forbidden. It is addressing the deeper spiritual ways to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy.

Acts 13:42, 44 we read:

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Question: Can you expound on the two passages above?

Thank you

To God Be The Glory

Paul and Barnabas went into a synagogue on the Sabbath. It was their custom to do so both before and after their conversion. They, at the request of the leader of the synagogue, were asked to speak. Paul began proclaiming the Gospel and was heard by both Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles loved what they were hearing and desired to hear more the next Sabbath, not the "next day" (Sunday). If a new era of Sunday Sabbaths began in Matthew 28:1, then Paul and Barnabas (yeshua's Apostles) did not know it. Otherwise they would have held a Sunday Sabbath service the next day. Instead, they waited an entire week to speak again. The next Sabbath (not the next day, Sunday) the whole city came to hear the words of life from the Word of God and from a retelling of the events that occurred in Jerusalem, primarily the death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua.

 

[gadar perets]

From Colossians 2: 14... "having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us."
: 16. "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,.."

Again, see post #53 for my understanding of verse 16-17. As for verse 14, the "handwriting of requirements" is a terrible translation. The Greek word "cheirographon" (handwriting) refers to a certificate of debt. In this case it was man's debt to sin. The Greek word "dogmasin" (requirements) refers to man made dogma/ordinances. In many cases, such ordinances cause man to sin. Such was the case in Matthew 15:1-9 where the Jews were exalting their traditions over the commandments of God. Christians make the same mistake by exalting their tradition of Sunday Sabbaths over YHWH's 7th day Sabbath. Verse 14 has absolutely nothing to do with YHWH's commandments except for the fact that the cheirographon was the result of breaking His commandments.