Spotlight On The Disasterous RCC "Celibacy" Requirement

[GodsGrace]

Correct. It has its own zip code, and also underground/hidden (away from tourists' eyes) areas.

Hi T
Also it's own currency and stamps.
And swiss guards prepared to give their life for the Pope.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Remember, I was a romanist once
After I left, I still had questions to be answered

The fact is that you don't know why you left and you still don't. Judging from some of your other deeply disturbed posts - It was probably to get back at your parents for whatever reason.

Every conversation I have had with you about the Catholic Church shows that you are completely DEVOID of any real knowledge of it
You even refer ignorantly to it as "Romanist" - which is hilarious . . .

 

[TammyinWI]

What's telling is the claim of gay bath houses in the Vatican. That idiocy discredits the other claims. With scores of tourists running loose with cameras, why are there no pictures???
When you don't disclose the source, it's Catholic bashing because media outlets say all sorts of things; they only want to sell news, not print the truth. So the source needs to be checked out for it's responsible journalism.
The Church pays for therapists, and the Pope meets with victims face to face, but that's not enough for some people. We even have a
Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors and I am sure you never heard of it.
Where are the parents in all these cover ups? Did they disappear? And how many bad priests are dead or in jail? Now its a policy to immediately call the cops for even the slightest suspicion, but you never hear about that either. And are all the cops in every station guilty of cover ups? Or are you making the mistake phonyman made by relying on 60 year old data?
The Church has done her laundry as best as possible while Protestant churches lag far behind. You should target them for a refreshing change.

Please see if you can watch for yourself, and then decide for yourself. And is it better under this current pope? -

A Frontline documentary exposes the Vatican's 'secrets' under Pope Benedict

When Pope Francis became head of the Roman Catholic Church nearly a year ago, many Catholics around the world were expecting change. Pope Francis was even named Time Magazine’s 2013 Person of the Year.

Last week, Pope Francis announced a major overhaul of the Vatican's outdated and inefficient bureaucracy, including a package of reforms and economic policies to monitor the Vatican Bank, long seen as an institution wrought with corruption and scandal.

A new Frontline documentary exposes just how bad things had gotten in Rome. “Secrets of the Vatican,” which airs Tuesday night, looks in depth at Pope Benedict’s papacy.

The documentary examines the years of scandal over clergy sex abuse, corruption at the Vatican Bank, power struggles, and cronyism within the Holy See. It finds that clergy in Rome were frequenting gay bars.

The director, writer, and producer of the documentary, Antony Thomas, spent a year investigating the secrets of the Vatican. He believes the mounting problems, combined with the ailing health of Pope Benedict, led to Benedict's dramatic resignation — an action not taken by a pope in 600 years.

“They happened on his watch, and it was very unfortunate,” Thomas explained. “He just couldn’t cope with it anymore.”

According to Thomas, Pope Benedict had considered resigning in early 2012, but was pressured into postponing his resignation by his secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. That decision, Thomas said, was “before the 'Vatileaks' thing got really serious and before these scandals came out.”

Italian investigative reporter Gianluigi Nuzzi received the classified documents now known as Vatileaks. His book, “Your Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI” was released in mid-2012, and revealed extensive confidential information, including documents from the pope’s personal office.

“It just revealed one thing after another," Thomas said. "Cronyism, pedophilia, financial misconduct, all kinds of things within the Vatican curia, the Vatican bureaucracy."

His documentary also looks at the church’s historical response to sexual abuse cases, a matter Thomas wanted to examine more critically.

“If you are a young, believing Catholic and you are abused by a priest, how much more terrible that is than abuse by any other adult,” Thomas said. “I just wanted to express the state of mind and the feelings of these people who had gone through that experience, because it’s often overlooked.”

The final act of the documentary explores the repercussions for Pope Francis, who inherited these problems and was tasked with solving them. Thomas believes one of the main differences between the two popes is strength.

“[Pope Benedict] was a good man. He was a pious man, but he just didn’t have that strength, which I think Francis has,” Thomas said. “I think [Pope Francis] has got amazing vitality. And it’s not just talk. He’s created all kinds of changes within this first year.”

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[Rollo Tamasi]

The fact is that you don't know why you left and you still don't. Judging from some of your other deeply disturbed posts - It was probably to get back at your parents for whatever reason.

Every conversation I have had with you about the Catholic Church shows that you are completely DEVOID of any real knowledge of it
You even refer ignorantly to it as "Romanist" - which is hilarious . . .

I go further than that.
You are a romanist
Look it up in a dictionary, even a catholic dictionary, if you dare, baby.

 

[aspen]

Why don't you concentrate on the romanist church?
Find the losers who are still employed and find out how many churches they've been transferred to.
Have they overcome their problem?
What did the Vatican do for them?
Why attack protestants instead of faithfully defending the romanists?
Or is that impossible?

Oh i agree with you about Catholics focusing on the real problem in the Catholic Church 100%.
I have never defended molester priests in the church nor the church for covering up the crisis

In fact, I am part of a church effort to support victims, turn molester priests over to law enforcement, and to enforce preventive measures.

The problem with people like you Rollo, is that you are not interested in helping with the problem - all you do is attack the church - you are using the victims to futher your agenda.

As far as me attacking Protestants, you are wrong. I haven’t encountered many Protestants who use this issue to attack the Catholic Church - you seem to be an exception

 

[TammyinWI]

I am not anything special, or anybody special, but the Lord impressed upon me strongly when I was in grade-school (at the catholic school, and I was in our weekly mass that our class went to at the time) that He is very unhappy with their system. He informed me of that in His own special way, but did not give me instructions on what to do about it...I was just a kid, and took it seriously. Long story...short: strayed away from religion for a time...returned later in life to Christianity, Baptized as an adult a couple years ago, have not been able to find an anointed Church to attend. (sigh)

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Oh i agree with you about Catholics focusing on the real problem in the Catholic Church 100%.
I have never defended molester priests in the church nor the church for covering up the crisis
In fact, I am part of a church effort to support victims, turn molester priests over to law enforcement, and to enforce preventive measures.

The problem with people like you Rollo, is that you are not interested in helping with the problem - all you do is attack the church - you are using the victims to futher your agenda.

Not true, Aspen, I just got you to tell us your agenda to solve the problem.
For the first time.
After numerous attacks against protestants that you claim are your enemy.
If you can continue an open dialogue on what's being done to solve the problem, the enemy will no longer be.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay how about Avro Manhattan?
Books like:
Catholic Power Today
Catholic Terror Today
The Vatican Moscow Washington Alliance
The Vatican Billions
Viet Nam, Why Did We Go?

I know you've never read any of them
The romanists keep you away from such reads
But if you want to learn, you can start with any one of them.

And YOU shouldn't be reading any of his garbage either - IF you consider yourself a follower of Christ.
Avro Manhattah was a eugenecist and an atheist and hung out with other eugenicist/Atheists like H. G. Wells, and Marie Stopes.

Do you know what Eugenics is?? It is the extremely racist belief that the "inferior" should be weeded out and exterminated. These "inferior" include many ethnic groups as well as the physically handicapped. The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger and her friend Adolf Hitler were BOTH into Eugenics.

As a Catholic - I wear it as a badge of honor to be disrespected by the likes of a poor excuse for a human being like Avro Manhattan . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am not anything special, or anybody special, but the Lord impressed upon me strongly when I was in grade-school (at the catholic school, and I was in our weekly mass that our class went to at the time) that He is very unhappy with their system. He informed me of that in His own special way, but did not give me instructions on what to do about it...I was just a kid, and took it seriously. Long story...short: strayed away from religion for a time...returned later in life to Christianity, Baptized as an adult a couple years ago, have not been able to find an anointed Church to attend. (sigh)

Tammy this is not surprising
I've been through just about all of them.
I must say that the Church of God in general will do more for you than most.
I currently attend Assembly of God, but I do not recommend it long term unless they are really with it.
There are no good denominations, but there are good churches, it depends on the peoiple and you have to learn.
Don't be aFRAID TO TAKE A CHANCE ON SOMETHING NEW.
GOD MOST LIKELY IS WORKING IN MOST CHURCHES.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am not anything special, or anybody special, but the Lord impressed upon me strongly when I was in grade-school (at the catholic school, and I was in our weekly mass that our class went to at the time) that He is very unhappy with their system. He informed me of that in His own special way, but did not give me instructions on what to do about it...I was just a kid, and took it seriously. Long story...short: strayed away from religion for a time...returned later in life to Christianity, Baptized as an adult a couple years ago, have not been able to find an anointed Church to attend. (sigh)

It's a shame that you left the Church because you "felt" it was the thing to do.
Trust me - God doesn't lead anybody away from His Church.

Whatever led you away wasn't Him.

 

[TammyinWI]

This movie broke my heart, as the facts were uncovered and victims shared their testimonies:

For preview only. Get it at Amazon.com.
Deliver Us From Evil
2006 , Home » Religion - 101 min

Filmmaker Amy Berg recounts a harrowing story of child abuse and how a serial child molester went free for the better part of two decades in this documentary. Oliver O'Grady was a Catholic priest who served in a number of parishes in Southern California during the 1970s and '80s.

O'Grady was also a habitual child molester who abused dozens of youngsters who were entrusted to his care, and while his superiors in the church were aware of O'Grady's crimes as early as 1973, they opted to simply move him from one congregation to another rather than turn him in to authorities or strip him of his ordination.

In Deliver Us From Evil, a number of O'Grady's victims and their families discuss his crimes and the repercussions they feel to this day. O'Grady himself also appears in the film, speaking candidly about his career as a sexual predator and recounting his misdeeds in detail. (After finally being convicted of child sexual abuse, O'Grady served time in prison and now lives in Ireland, where he is still looked after by Catholic clergy.)

Berg also offers a look into the history of the Catholic Church and how its leadership has often protected those within the hierarchy at the expense of their worshipers. Deliver Us From Evil was named Best Documentary Feature at the 2006 Los Angeles Film Festival.

Deliver Us From Evil - Top Documentary Films

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And YOU shouldn't be reading any of his garbage either - IF you consider yourself a follower of Christ.
Avro Manhattah was a eugenecist and an atheist and hung out with other eugenicist/Atheists like H. G. Wells, and Marie Stopes.

Do you know what Eugenics is?? It is the extremely racist belief that the "inferior" should be weeded out and exterminated. These "inferior" include many ethnic groups as well as the physically handicapped. The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger and her friend Adolf Hitler were BOTH into Eugenics.

As a Catholic - I wear it as a badge of honor to be disrespected by the likes of a poor excuse for a human being like Avro Manhattan . . .

Okay smart guy, try Edmond Paris
The Vatican against Europe
The Secret History of the Jesuits
A must read.
Don't listen to the reviews.
This one will change your life

 

[BreadOfLife]

Tammy this is not surprising
I've been through just about all of them.
I must say that the Church of God in general will do more for you than most.
I currently attend Assembly of God, but I do not recommend it long term unless they are really with it.
There are no good denominations, but there are good churches, it depends on the peoiple and you have to learn.
Don't be aFRAID TO TAKE A CHANCE ON SOMETHING NEW.
GOD MOST LIKELY IS WORKING IN MOST CHURCHES.

The statement above in RED makes absolutely NO sense at all.

First of all - Jesus only built ONE Church - not "churches".
Secondly - "Denominations" are simply splinter groups of that ONE Church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay smart guy, try Edmond Paris
The Vatican against Europe
The Secret History of the Jesuits
A must read.
Don't listen to the reviews.
This one will change your life

Why don't you want me to read Avro Manhattan anymore??
Was it that you were ignorant of him before I showed you who he REALLY was??

 

[TammyinWI]

It's a shame that you left the Church because you "felt" it was the thing to do.
Trust me - God doesn't lead anybody away from His Church.

Whatever led you away wasn't Him.

I am very sorry, that is not true. Not true at all. I know His Voice, I know Conviction of the Holy Spirit. You only see a few pieces of the big puzzle here, and I am stating fact, without expounding or feeling I need to explain anything more at this time. And I am telling the truth.

 

[aspen]

Not true, Aspen, I just got you to tell us your agenda to solve the problem.
For the first time.
After numerous attacks against protestants that you claim are your enemy.
If you can continue an open dialogue on what's being done to solve the problem, the enemy will no longer be.

I attend a Protestant Church, Rollo. And a Protestant Bible Study.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am very sorry, that is not true. Not true at all. I know His Voice, I know Conviction of the Holy Spirit. You only see a few pieces of the big puzzle here, and I am stating fact, without expounding or feeling I need to explain anything more at this time. And I am telling the truth.

Voices in your head are not the same as the Holy Spirit.

YOUR story is the same story as the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects who ALL teach different doctrines yet claim that they were ALL led by the "Holy Spirit."

God is not the author of confusion.
He built ONE Church not tens of thousands . . .

 

[TammyinWI]

The statement above in RED makes absolutely NO sense at all.

First of all - Jesus only built ONE Church - not "churches".
Secondly - "Denominations" are simply splinter groups of that ONE Church.

Oh? Do you live where I live? I have no churches that teach Deliverance or The Gifts of The Spirit, for just two example. I am in a very liberal area, and some "churches" are universalists.

There have been scandals at some of the churches here.

Catholic means "universal," btw.

 

[aspen]

BOL does not speak for the Catholic Church

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The statement above in RED makes absolutely NO sense at all.

First of all - Jesus only built ONE Church - not "churches".
Secondly - "Denominations" are simply splinter groups of that ONE Church.

Oh, how egotistical you are.
And egotism is a sin against God
Stop thinking you are correct and the world is wrong
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