Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[GodsGrace]

I think you would be partly correct in the above...the dynamics of the change took place over several centuries, many influences came into play. The Jewish uprising against Rome and Rome's easy recognition of Jews because of their Sabbath keeping....the Catholic church's change from passover to easter (one of the many pagan compromises in the early church, including the trinity and Sunday sacredness) after which Sunday keeping was emphasized...and papal Rome's hatred of the Sabbath because it was a sign of rejection of papal authority.
As for what day Jesus rose and what day He entered Jerusalem and what day Pentecost...all essentially irrelevant. Once Jesus died...once His blood confirmed the covenant and no word from Him had changed anything, then that sealed the deal. No apostle, no church, no council then had the right to change the testament. Any change was a usurpation of authority.

But what about Acts 20:7?
I believe the first day of the week is Sunday. It sounds like the disciples were gathered together for communion which would be church - the breaking of bread.

New American Standard Bible
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think you meant to say that it was when the crowd gathered to meet Jesus as He entered Jerusalem, the Sunday the day after the day Jesus was served a meal in the house of Lazarus before the feast...?

You see, this is far more complicated than it seems. There is even debate over when the Passover was that year. Was it on the 14th of Nissan? Now I know this term because I've followed threads on this, but I have NO IDEA what it really means. Something to do with the moon.

Was the Passover meal on Thursday evening, which would have made Passover (a special Passover, which I also do not understand) on Friday (FriDAY, not the evening)...Then, yes, Jesus would have had the dinner at Lazarus on Saturday, and He would have entered into Jerusalem on Sunday, as you said above.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you can show me from scripture how turning a light switch on desecrates Sabbath, I'll listen. And even if it does, how does that excuse you in doing the same?

Who says I do?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you can show me from scripture how turning a light switch on desecrates Sabbath, I'll listen. And even if it does, how does that excuse you in doing the same?

Laws of Shabbat for Beginners

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You see, this is far more complicated than it seems. There is even debate over when the Passover was that year. Was it on the 14th of Nissan? Now I know this term because I've followed threads on this, but I have NO IDEA what it really means. Something to do with the moon.

Was the Passover meal on Thursday evening, which would have made Passover (a special Passover, which I also do not understand) on Friday (FriDAY, not the evening)...Then, yes, Jesus would have had the dinner at Lazarus on Saturday, and He would have entered into Jerusalem on Sunday, as you said above.

Not at all exceptable.
He was buried before sundown on Friday and was found to have risen on Sunday morning.
Only non-believers try to change this.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

eberbrakes, you claim to be Christians, so start believing the New Testament as it is presented to you instead of trying to start a new Christian cult.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not at all exceptable.
He was buried before sundown on Friday and was found to have risen on Sunday morning.
Only non-believers try to change this.

How could we know WHEN He was risen?
Mary and Mary went there on Sunday morning, early, and found the tomb empty.
Jesus said in three days He would raise up the temple.
John 2:19
So it would have to be Sunday in order for the 3 days to be complete.
BUT, what if He really died on Thursday? There's much confusion about this.
But, I'm not trying to change anything -- just thinking outloud.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

He died on Friday before sundown, that's the first day.
At sunset started the second day.
And Saturday at sunset started the third day.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If you were Jewish, this would all make sense.
It's Gentiles that need something to argue about because they are bored and would never think to go out and witness to someone, that make a big stink about this.

And of course we have eberman, who would consider it a good work if he could get just one person to agree with him.

 

[gadar perets]

So since we all sin where all going to hell.

Such wonderfull news for God.

God bless

You have an uncanny way of twisting words. Did I say anything about anyone going to hell? No.

 

[gadar perets]

You, like Gadar Perets, have NO INKLING of NT and Christian, Koineh Greek IDIOM, that's why!

What did I say that made you include me in this statement?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What did I say that made you include me in this statement?

I say you are Jewish and you are trying to educate us
I appreciate that
It also gives us the opportunity to witness to you
If these people don't understand that and don't know how to do that, then what can I say?

 

[gadar perets]

I notice you post on Sabbath.
How do you justify that?

Muktzeh: Things You Can’t Even Touch
Any items that may not be used on the Sabbath may not even be handled on that day, lest one unintentionally perform one of the forbidden types of work. These objects are termed muktzeh, meaning to “set aside” or “store away.” Among the many things considered muktzeh are money and checks; scissors, hammers and saws; pencils and pens; battery-operated toys and flashlights; radios and CDs; telephones and computers; and certain religious objects such as shofar, tefillin, and lulav. Even the Sabbath candlesticks are muktzeh and thus should not be touched on the Sabbath after the candles have been lit.

I don't live by Jewish law, but by YHWH's law. I ONLY use my computer on Sabbath to do spiritual work like witnessing the truth on this forum. Yeshua taught us that spiritual work is permissible.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I don't live by Jewish law, but by YHWH's law. I ONLY use my computer on Sabbath to do spiritual work like witnessing the truth on this forum. Yeshua taught us that spiritual work is permissible.

Yeshua
Why do you use a Jewish name instead of an English name like the rest of you verbiage?
When was the last time you ever said Jesus?

 

[gadar perets]

I say you are Jewish and you are trying to educate us
I appreciate that
It also gives us the opportunity to witness to you
If these people don't understand that and don't know how to do that, then what can I say?

?? What does this reply have to do with what you quoted me saying? I was asking Gerhard why he included me in his statement?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I'm asking you, Mr. Jewish man.
You talk about Yeshua as though you are teaching us, but you are afraid to say the name Jesus.
What does that say to me?

 

[gadar perets]

Yeshua
Why do you use a Jewish name instead of an English name like the rest of you verbiage?
When was the last time you ever said Jesus?

"Jesus" is NOT an English name. It is a conglomeration of Hebrew, Greek, Latin and English. The name the Almighty commanded him to be named was "Yeshua". That was poorly transliterated into Greek as "Iesous". Then into Latin as "Iesus". "Iesus" is the supposed English name used in the 1611 KJV. That was later changed to "Jesus" when the letter "J" was invented. I prefer to use his original name rather than a name I know to be false.

 

[gadar perets]

I'm asking you, Mr. Jewish man.
You talk about Yeshua as though you are teaching us, but you are afraid to say the name Jesus.
What does that say to me?

I am teaching you. If you choose not to learn, so be it. I am not afraid to use "Jesus". I occasionally use it for people that just can't grasp who I am talking about when I say Yeshua. Its so sad that our Savior's true name has become so distorted that people revile his original name.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

"Jesus" is NOT an English name. It is a conglomeration of Hebrew, Greek, Latin and English. The name the Almighty commanded him to be named was "Yeshua". That was poorly transliterated into Greek as "Iesous". Then into Latin as "Iesus". "Iesus" is the supposed English name used in the 1611 KJV. That was later changed to "Jesus" when the letter "J" was invented. I prefer to use his original name rather than a name I know to be false.

you're prejudice
you're trying to make us all feel inferior to you
Where is the Christianity in that?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am teaching you. If you choose not to learn, so be it. I am not afraid to use "Jesus". I occasionally use it for people that just can't grasp who I am talking about when I say Yeshua. Its so sad that our Savior's true name has become so distorted that people revile his original name.

Imagine your name being John Smith
Do you think you would say Jesus or Jeshua?
Just remember, you're talking to a bunch of John Smiths.