Who is worthy to open the book?

[amadeus]

i agree in spirit, even if i would put it differently, i don't perceive any Way ever being "closed," etc, but no biggie prolly.

I would like to hear about this no "Way" ever being closed... Did not Adam and Eve effectively have the Door closed behind as they were placed on the outside?

 

[bbyrd009]

Is it the same book John ate?

i don't think so; imo the point in there is to find associations with "sweet on the tongue, bitter in the stomach," and vice-versa

 

[VictoryinJesus]

i don't think so; imo the point in there is to find associations with "sweet on the tongue, bitter in the stomach," and vice-versa

Exodus 15:23-25
[23] And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. [24] And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? [25] And he cried unto the Lord ; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

There is a lot in the word about sweet and bitter.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Ruth 1:20
[20] And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.

 

[bbyrd009]

I would like to hear about this no "Way" ever being closed... Did not Adam and Eve effectively have the Door closed behind as they were placed on the outside?

well to me that is a rep of human nature v nature, human nature obv at odds with nature, right.
that they were given a "suit of skins" to wear does (at least) double duty there, in referencing their now "red" and furless nature, as well as pointing to the sacrificial system as a means to fulfill the law (at the time)

interesting to me to note that we all experience life in all of these stages as well, we are told it's ok to do something we know is bad, eat candy maybe, as long as we do something good to "offset" it, etc. It is only after (if) we mature that we realize this does not really work in the way we thought it did

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP, Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon".

this is in reference to the Holy Spirit, God himself, in SALVATION supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". no human man could save man from spiritual bondgage. again the scripture, Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him".

God came and saved us. understand in Revelation 5:5 it's the ROOT, not the Offspring that prevailed. "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof".
The ROOT is the Holy Spirit.

I know you have a question, it said the Lamb. you're correct the Lamb and not the Lamb of God but the Lamb himself, the Spirit.

remember Abraham, Genesis 22:8 "And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together". did you get it? provide "himself".

in your last post, it's the Holy Spirit here again but with the EVERLASTING Gospel.
EATING the book is READING the book, one digest the content, or get the understanding of the book. the book John had in chapter 10 is the Gospel sent down from heaven by the Holy Ghost. the angel is the symbol of the Holy Spirit. one foot on land and one foot on the sea is how the Gospel is to Go. by ship, (sea) and by horse and walking (Land).

supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:12 "Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into".

that's what Revelation chapter 10 is speaking about.

Hope that helped.

PCY.

 

[bbyrd009]

There is a lot in the word about sweet and bitter.

these are perspective labels, imo--"sweet on the tongue" is always "bitter in the intestines," and vice-versa

Ruth 1:20
[20] And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.

yet she sang a diff tune by the end of Ruth, right; her perspective had changed iow

 

[bbyrd009]

one foot on land and one foot on the sea is how the Gospel is to Go. by ship, (sea) and by horse and walking (Land).

i would perceive this differently, dry land as "risen" from the sea, Javan (mud man) in between, etc. Same with "valley" and "mountain" iow, kind of

 

[101G]

i would perceive this differently, dry land as "risen" from the sea, Javan (mud man) in between, etc.

as you perceive this differently changes nothing, even in man or the Javan (mud man). no EVOLUTION..... no change, (smile).

PCY.

 

[amadeus]

i don't think so; imo the point in there is to find associations with "sweet on the tongue, bitter in the stomach," and vice-versa

A thought just came to me on this. Consider the ministry of Jesus. In the very beginning of it, everyone sought him and was spellbound by his words. Even those sent by his enemies said : "... Never man spake like this man." John 7:46

Was that not the milk, the sweet milk, but later as the words he spoke got deeper, more into the "meat" it was harder to stomach [bitter], and many left him...

 

[ScottA]

Why did John weep for one to be found to open the book and the seven seals? Why want the seven seals loosed?

Revelation 5:1-9
[1] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. [2] And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? [3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. [4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. [6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. [8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

What makes the Lamb worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals?

The seven seals are the seals placed upon the word of God, upon the scriptures given to the seven churches and "the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

The Lamb is worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals, because He alone has overcome death, by which He has attained the Holy Spirit, which He had before the foundation of the world, but laid it down in sacrifice, that the world might be saved.

Therefore, it is written, that "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" 1 Corinthians 2:14, which is the fulfillment of: "And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever—" Genesis 3:22 Which, if you will notice, is a broken sentence ("—") noting the seals being placed upon His word. For this reason, we "must also be born again of the spirit of God."

 

[VictoryinJesus]

yet she sang a diff tune by the end of Ruth, right; her perspective had changed iow

Ruth 1:20
[20] And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.

Naomi didn't change her state of bitterness on her own; Gods redemption plan changed it. As Israel was blinded and dealt with "bitterly" ...Ruth enters and she lays a child to Naomi's breast to nurse. And Naomi instructs Ruth to lay at Boaz's feet for him to spread his skirt(authority) over her. The gospel went out to the gentiles and all the corners of the earth. Ruth gathered (reaped/gleaned) handfuls of purpose as she worked in the field. We lay children to Israel's breast to nurse. That Spiritual Israel. Yes, Naomi state changed from bitter by the end of Ruth.

 

[101G]

A thought just came to me on this. Consider the ministry of Jesus. In the very beginning of it, everyone sought him and was spellbound by his words. Even those sent by his enemies said : "... Never man spake like this man." John 7:46

Was that not the milk, the sweet milk, but later as the words he spoke got deeper, more into the "meat" it was harder to stomach [bitter], and many left him...

Good eyesight. and correct, as one gets deeper into the truth, most people, their men taught doctrine began to fail. and when one tells them the truth they get angry. Galatians 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?". nothing new under the sun.

and true about the milk and meat. Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Stay in the word, and be blessed.

PCY.

 

[101G]

The Lamb is worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals, because He alone has overcome death, by which He has attained the Holy Spirit, which He had before the foundation of the world, but laid it down in sacrifice, that the world might be saved.

Good Eyes Scott. most People don't know that the Lamb "of" God is GLORIFIED in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit which is the Lamb. yes, there's a numerical difference between the Lamb and the Lamb "of" God. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was".

yes, the LAMB is the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the Father who took the book out of the RIGHT hand of the Lamb "OF" God, the Son, hence now ONLY the Father knows the time of his return.

ain't the Bible GREAT.

stay in the word Scott, and be blessed.

PCY.

 

[APAK]

Why did John weep for one to be found to open the book and the seven seals? Why want the seven seals loosed?

Revelation 5:1-9
[1] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. [2] And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? [3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. [4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. [6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. [8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

What makes the Lamb worthy to open the book and to loose the seven seals?

VictoryInJesus:

John was just exposed to the throne and place of God. He was exposed to heaven’s center and power. It must have been very overwhelming and hard to take in all the scene.

They suddenly, the power of heaven had the words (Plan) of judgement and the deed to the earth in his hands. John knew what this meant. He knew that God’s justice was about to be poured out on evil. John was waiting for this moment.

The angel wants to know who had the authority of God to execute judgement on those that dwelled on the earth and bring the Kingdom to us.

Now John was so overwhelmed with God’s presence and suddenly was deeply saddened by the fact that no one had the same authority to carry our God’s plan and return the earth to him. I would say John had no choice but to be very despondent with crying and weeping because as he knew the dire consequences if no one could rid evil off the earth.

APAK

 

[bbyrd009]

Ruth 1:20
[20] And she said unto them, Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.

Naomi didn't change her state of bitterness on her own; Gods redemption plan changed it. As Israel was blinded and dealt with "bitterly" ...Ruth enters and she lays a child to Naomi's breast to nurse. And Naomi instructs Ruth to lay at Boaz's feet for him to spread his skirt(authority) over her. The gospel went out to the gentiles and all the corners of the earth. Ruth gathered (reaped/gleaned) handfuls of purpose as she worked in the field. We lay children to Israel's breast to nurse. That Spiritual Israel. Yes, Naomi state changed from bitter by the end of Ruth.

ya--however, from the pov of the parable, Naomi ("My delight" or Pleasantness) is made Mara, which we read as "bitter," but is also the root for Myrrh, and to a Hebrew is more likely to rep "strong" than bitter the way we define it i guess. That she continued to be called Naomi despite all that is also surely pertinent in some way? Usually name changes are honored in Scripture after the change, but hers is not. As it surely would have been if she was literally then "bitter" in others' eyes iow

 

[bbyrd009]

as you perceive this differently changes nothing, even in man or the Javan (mud man). no EVOLUTION..... no change, (smile).

PCY.

well, you can mix sea and land if you like, but imo you are ignoring the symbology, and will run into other problems later. Evolution is, after all, from the sea, to the spots of dry land appearing, and there is no "sea" left at a certain point, etc

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ya--however, from the pov of the parable, Naomi ("My delight" or Pleasantness) is made Mara, which we read as "bitter," but is also the root for Myrrh, and to a Hebrew is more likely to rep "strong" than bitter the way we define it i guess. That she continued to be called Naomi despite all that is also surely pertinent in some way? Usually name changes are honored in Scripture after the change, but hers is not. As it surely would have been if she was literally then "bitter" in others' eyes iow

Looks like maybe I need to revisit (Numbers 5:20-31).

Proverbs 27:5-7
[5] Open rebuke is better than secret love. [6] Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. [7] The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.

 

[bbyrd009]

Looks like maybe I need to revisit (Numbers 5:20-31).

can't imagine any guilty women actually doing any of that, can you?
which tells me that a diff perspective is called for, imo there is a lesson there for men as well as women

 

[VictoryinJesus]

can't imagine any guilty women actually doing any of that, can you?
which tells me that a diff perspective is called for, imo there is a lesson there for men as well as women

This was a hard one to swallow since the lens I viewed scripture through was "God hates women". We are all the guilty woman(male and female). But the Lord drank of that cup for us so that we could be the woman found "not guilty" of adultery and conceive new life. The other woman's thigh rots and she is a curse among her people. How does that relate to Jacob wrestling with the Lord to be surnamed?