The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
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For the most part, they are probably still lost. God knows where they are and if He wants us to be involved in their enlightening, He will direct us.
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Yes, for the most part...they are still lost..as in, they still don't "see".
so what you are saying and Amadeus is accepting is that Christ failed in His real mission and His real reason for coming which He should have seen and known - see Matt 15:24 - twinc
No just that God has His plan and it is not yet fulfilled. All in Gods time. Besides not all are His sheep,
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
and, just in case some miss it
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
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Who- The 10 northern Tribes + Manasseh, and Ephraim. They were scattered First for worship of foreign gods, deities.
What they have become, is Simple, God cursed them and they were made to serve the Gentile's and the Gentile's Deities, and part of the curse is that they would be scattered into place's that their father's never heard of, like Poland, and Russia, and even Oklahoma, you get my point,OK, the curse also was that they would not even know who they were.
Remember Jacob Basically, Adopted Ephraim and Manasseh, also blessing them, and that the younger would become a Multitude of Nation's and Manasseh would also be Great, this is part of who they are, they just have not been awakened to this fact, But they will when God begins to Gather his People!!
I do believe that a good portion of them are Lost, and I believe that there are some that have come to Salvation, in any case God know's who are His, and He will keep His Promise to the Patriarch's.
By the way good thread, there is some substance here. I have enjoyed this, better than slapping dig's at one another!
The Jews who are lost believe in the OT who are true believers of that Law.
Not the Talmud Zionist so called Jews they are the Serpents, Synagogue of Satan as Jesus point out.
And many who claim Lord Lord in Christianity are Satanist, anyone who claims to be looking for a race of God, is full of lies or claims that the Jewish race are Gods people is kidding themselves.
I have a Christian mate who claims Jews are a race and stands in total belief of that, as does another atheist mate and they both get real angered if you point out there is in fact no Jewish race and the atheist insist I am a Jew.
They are both bewitched. can't see the facts or truth.
The People of the OT were a Semitic race, just as we know Islam comes from the Semitic race, the majority of Islamic people are of the Semitic race.
One only need read the Bible you will know that is a fact.
Ant-Semitism is a oxymoron, such a thing is just rubbish made up by Satan to led you astray.
Ant-Jewish well what does that mean ? all Christians could be classed as such to a fool, it's noting to do with a race but a religion, that was fulfilled and any Christian that is worthy knows this fact, such are lost under the Law.
Anti-Semitism is a joke, their is no such thing in fact worth talking about such rubbish.
Any one who thinks that the Jews are going to save them is of Satan, they are rejecting Jesus Christ in fact by claiming such nonsense, they do not have the Holy Spirit in them and that's a fact !
The Jews means the people of God following in the OT Letter of the Law, not a race.
Jesus never gave a race a Gift he gave all people the Gift and the Holy Spirit confirms this fact.
Don't put your faith in man or you will end up disappointed, but only in Jesus Christ and that's all the Jews need to do, is to pick it up, even many Jews did 2000 years ago and that's a fact the Bible points out.
Why would we look to other religion that does not cut the mustard today, because if you do your lost as a goose.
The Hebrews were not a race they were people that were separated for God too God and that's were Israel come into it, Servants of God and then the lesser Judah people of God. it's a Spiritual blessing just as it is to be Christened that makes you a people of God and to be born again of the Holy Spirit means to be a Servant of God = Israel ! a lot of water has flowed under the bridge in 2000 years but we still use the OT as a blueprint, we have not tossed the OT out, we are of the promise that Holy Moses pointed out was to come.
Nathaniel recognised Jesus directly and he was a true Israelite as Jesus Christ pointed this fact out.
Jesus Christ is the King of Israel !
Christians are the people of the King of Israel, he is our Lord and our Saviour.
Why do people look around for something other ? and go about thinking the Jews have something to offer, it's because they are not born again, the Holy Spirit is not biding in them.
God vomited out the Jews of the Land ?
Why are such claiming to come back when they have not repented to God but rejected Holy Moses for one.
Who are these people 90 % of them are Atheist and have nothing in common with the OT at all. Worshiping filth like the madness of the Satanic Talmud whore who makes insane claims wanting to enslave people and murder all if they want to, just like as if others were their cattle.
Sounds just like Jesus said of them who wanted to kill him and all the prophets God sent to me.
You should not be putting words into my mouth. If you believe that verse was his reason for coming...
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Matt 15:24
... then you should also explain what this verse is saying?
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
The Lost sheep of the House of Israel is the Servants of God = Christians now.
The ones who worked to try undermine Jesus are the thief to steal and kill and destroy and Jesus comes to give Life more abundantly.
imho you nearly had it but it slipped through your fingers = not servants of God but children of God who have been, are and will be Christians - only Jesus is the way all other ways are the ways of thieves and robbers imho - twinc
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The term 'lost sheep' refers to those of the Nation of Israel who had gone astray spiritually.
Jer 50:6 "My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray, turning them away on the mountains. From mountain to hill they have gone. They have forgotten their fold.
We know that 'lost sheep' does not refer to those who were physically lost because Jesus tells his disciples to go and proclaim the Kingdom of Heaven to them, which they could not do if they were physically lost.
Mat 10:6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
When Jesus said to go to the Israelites he was not sating go to the Judah but the Servants of God that remained, if they were not to believe in what they were telling them, well they are not true Israel at all, so it's about to drop them and go seek out another Israelite.
The thing is that a True Israelite will pick up on what Jesus people are saying, just like as Nathaniel did when he seen Jesus.
All the Hebrew Servants of God will pick up on Jesus because they follow in Holy Moses and they are well versed in such maters, the Tribe of Judah will not know because they are only a people of God, not Servants of God.
Fact is that not all who are of the Tribe of Israel are in fact an Israel but only of the tribe, When we understand how and why Jacob got the Name Israel then the penny drops.
So it like this Jesus sends them out, they come across one who is of the tribe and then they are not believed, so such is not an true Israel at all in fact but just of the tribe, blinded by worldly works, the Spirit of Jacob Israel is not in him, it does not abide in him, but if it did he would know and pick up on it that Jesus has come and would follow Jesus, this is what a true Israel will do in fact and the Bible tells us so and it's a fact that Nathaniel proves this fact.
Nathaniel is one working in God for the people to bear fruit, he understands what must be done.
Christians must bear fruit in Jesus as well because if they do not then the fact is they are not abiding in the Vine.
Another thing is that there is no Jewish race, so who is it that people today are looking for and why, why bother with something you think was of the so called race, it's pathetic !
After 2000 years if it was a race of people, do you think they are pure breed now ? come on ! that's idolatry, the remainder will come in time but what would one be looking for, another Jesus ? That is in fact only a intent to reject Jesus Christ, for Satan's coming and people will idolise this Satan as God, because they can't see that Jesus Christ is the only one and he came 2000 years ago.
The 2ed coming is when you are born again in the Holy Spirit for one know this is true, but when Jesus coming is seen by all that is called the 2ed Coming.
What else is their, something beyond Jesus Christ. nothing is, if it were, it would be a rejection of Jesus Christ in fact.
What are you looking to idiots for if you know the way follow in it, the lost will not find jack.
here it is correctly stated that there is no Jewish race because there is only a human race consisting of the children of God and children of the devil - here then is the answer as to the lost sheep of Israel imho - twinc
No Jewish is only got to do with people who practice that religion and that is all that it is in fact, just as one can be a Christian of Islam Bubba etc.
There is a misconception that the Jews are a race, that's just stupid ignorant nonsense.
The Hebrews were a Semitic race but set aside out of the others, thus the name Hebrews, set aside from for God it is, that's why anyone who comprehends the OT knows that they did not tolerate outsiders because of such peoples idolatry.
That does not make them a race but a tribe set aside out of the others.
Israel is 12 tribes not 12 races, let alone among many other Semitic tribes, so it can not be called a race at all.
We see in the story of Jonah it's not a race thing at all but for all peoples that God wants to come to him and they agreed with Jonah, now he did not believe they could believe, but God used the pricks to steer him onto this path.
People have to want to come to God, there is no such thing as any race of people that is looked up to, because to say such a stupid thing has nothing to do with God, but only a mans works madness.
I have had people claim me because I have a Hebrew sir name, claim I am of Gods people, hell no man is to be worshiped, the only one to be worshiped is God, the people are only believer's who follow with faith or they who are Servants of God who are born again.
The Tribe of Israel failed ?
The Tribe of Judah failed ?
All are people who turned they back on God, but for only some that remained true to God, so it's not man or a race that's worthy, but that who are true to God regardless.
I have chosen you it is stated you have not chosen me and this is love that we are saved in spite of ourselves and while we are still sinners and enemies of God - twinc
I think everyone is chosen, no one is left out say.
Enemies of God ? one accepts God or does not and kicks against the pricks.
