You're STILL not getting it.
A gift is not something that can be "taken away" - and I agree with you on that.
HOWEVER - a gift is something that you can THROW AWAY.
First of all ~ it appears you and I do not have the SAME UNDERSTANDING of what SALVATION MEANS.
Your rendition of Salvation appears to be a specific process from hearing, learning, agreeing to believe, to doing works, to a man Keeping himself in obedience to these things until the end of his natural life.....and IF the man accompolishes those things ....
THEN he will be Saved.
Also during anytime, the man fails, he can ask for forgiveness, and the man continues the process.
And you call this "cooperation"...correct?
OR during anytime, the man fails to accompolish those things, and stops those things; the man shall not be Saved.
And you call this:
"fallen away"....correct?
"Lost his salvation"...correct?
"fallen from grace"...correct?
Is that a sufficient rendition of your belief of how a man obtains the Gift of Salvation?
What YOU and others here are trying to sell is the idea that a gift is given to you and you are forced to hold onto it.
No, that is in error.
You and others are saying FORCED.
But none, not you, not others have said...what triggers this CHANGE to throw away your salvation.
Perhaps you could answer.
Is it when a person changes their mind?
What I have said is; Several things;
1) an individual has the choice to hear & read
2) an individual who is hearing and reading is receiving enlightment.
3) enlightment is the receiving of Gods Word
4) A man who is receiving Gods Word, is also being gifted with faith FROM God.
5) Thereafter the individual can contemplate and decide "IF" he wants to give "HIS LIFE" to Christ.
6) A man "WHO" decides "he" wants to GIVE "HIS LIFE" "TO" "CHRIST", does so BY directly calling ON THE Lord Jesus; repenting; and CONFESSING "his belief" IN "CHRIST".
7) THIS IS NOT FORCE....It IS THE MANS FREEWILL CHOICE.
8) The Lord immediately CONVERTS a man who gives A TRUE CONFESSION.
9) HOW does the Lord KNOW, it is a TRUE CONFESSION?
10) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "LATER" "IF" the man may DECIDE to STOP BELIEVING?
11) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "IF" He is being TRICKED into Converting a man WHO WILL LATER REJECT Him?
You should know the answer...The Lord IS ALL KNOWING. He can not be tricked or mocked.
12) Any MAN WHO submits HIS LIFE "TO" "CHRIST"....IS A MAN WHO is Willingly submitting "TO" "CHRIST" and "TO" "HIS AUTHORITY" and "HIS POWER"
"TO" completely "MAKE THE MAN WHOLE".
13) A man "MADE WHOLE"...addresses the "FORGIVENESS" and "CONVERSION" of the "WHOLE" of the man.
14) THE "WHOLE" of a man IS;
Body
Soul
Spirit
1 Thes 5:23
...The VERY God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY.
...your WHOLE spirit.
...your WHOLE soul.
...your WHOLE body.
14) HOW? An individual giving "his Life" to
CHRIST.
15) HOW? By the POWER of CHRIST "TO" convert the man WHOLLY.
16) WHY? Because of the MAN having received the GIFT OF FAITH, from God.
17) WHY? Because the man CHOSE, to hear, learn, read, follow, be enlightened, and CONTINUED until the MAN CHOSE to GIVE his LIFE TO CHRIST.
SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR....
Believing IS ONE THING...
CONVERSION IS ANOTHER THING...
You do TWO THINGS ~
You MIX Believing and Conversion.
TRUE...one can not become converted without believing.
However MANY can believe...without having become CONVERTED.
You mix the two. You make claims that men WHO ARE hearing, learning, believing, "ARE" converted.......when they "ARE NOT".
And absolutely ANY MAN, believing, WHO IS NOT CONVERTED "CAN" fall from faith. "CAN" lose his Salvation........BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER "RECEIVED" a Converstion.
You also MIX in things that specifically and historically applied to JEWS/Hebrews ONLY.
Specifically....Continuing to SIN.
Believers in God...(Hebrews & Jews)
...Continued to SIN.
..."THEIR" SINS, were ACCORDING TO DIsobedience "TO" "THEIR" LAWS.
You continuously CHARGE "Gentiles" "IN CHRIST" with having COMMITED SIN...ACCORDING TO JEWISH LAWS...
WHY? WHAT does a Jewish LAW, have to DO with A GENTILE "IN CHRIST" ?
ALSO Specifically .... ENDURING to their END of life.
OF COURSE "Jews/Hebrews" had to "ENDURE" in "cooperation", in "obedience"....
"TO" THEIR LAWS....
THEY HAD NO PERMANENT FORGIVENESS OR OFFERING OF PERMANENT BLOOD.
THEY HAD A DIFFERENT COVENANT...
Repeated offerings of Animal Blood.
Repeated offerings of Animal Body's.
Repeated pleas for Forgiveness.
Repeated festivals and traditions.
THOSE WHO SUBJECT THEMSELVES
"TO" "CHRIST"....ACCEPT "HIS" ONE TIME OFFERING ...."OF"
HIS BODY.
HIS BLOOD.
FOR the "INDIVIDUAL"S" acceptable PAYMENT...
A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
Eats of Christ's BODY...
Drinks of Christ's BLOOD...
"IS" specifically ACCEPTING "CHRIST" GIFT OF CONVERSION...
"IS" specifically accepting "CHRISTS" BLOOD to FORGIVE and WASH the mans SINS out of the mans LIFE (and a mans life IS HIS TAINTED BLOOD).
A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
EATS of Christ's BODY "IS" specifically ACCEPTING TO EAT the WORD of God...
And the Lord WRITES HIS WORD in the Hearts of men, WHO have ASKED and agreed to EAT HIS WORD.
A man making a gesture of gathering together TO accept communion IS Specifically MEN IN "CHRIST" "remembering" WHAT Christ's BLOOD and BODY offering, GAVE TO THEM "FOREVER"!
FORCED? No. A mans WILLING CHOICE.
A MAN FORCED TO KEEP? NO...
The KEEPING HAS "NOTHING WHATSOEVER" to do with a man. The KEEPING is "part of the conversion"..THE KEEPING "IS" effected SOLELY by the POWER OF GOD...ie CHRIST.
Scripture teaches...TO BE SURE...a conversion IS what you want. Because when YOU ASK FOR IT.......as Scripture teaches...
YOU WILL RECEIVE.
Nothing in Scripture teaches...YOU WILL RECEIVE, and then you can "change your mind" and throw it away.
YOUR MIND DOES NOT PLAY A PART IN the Lord CONVERTING A MAN.
NOT for receiving conversion.
NOT for "discarding" ones conversion.
And the Lord is NOT FOOLED, by a man who may one day CLAIM to BELIEVE, CLAIM he IS Converted...then CLAIM to NOT BELIEVE.
He was NEVER CONVERTED.
And a man WHO SIMPLY Claims to BELIEVE...
Whoo hoo...THAT does NOT MEAN Converted.
ONCE SAVED...DOES NOT MEAN, Belief.
ONCE SAVED...DOES MEAN...Belief AND Converted.
ONCE SAVED...ALWAYS SAVED
MEANS ONCE CONVERTED...
IT IS FOREVER....and the man IS FOREVER KEPT by the POWER OF GOD.
John 10:28 - 29
NO MAN, (not yourself, not another man)...
NO MAN, can pluck a converted man OUT of the hand of God.
As I have AMPLY show - with Scripture - that this goes against the word of God.
NO ONE SCRIPTURE you have presented speaks of a CONVERTED MAN.
The scriptures you have repeatedly presented, speak of men being enlightened, receiving the Word of God, hearing knowledge, learning knowledge, believing, and BEING WARNED to KEEP following and believing.....FOR IF THEY DO NOT....they shall LOSE out.......they shall lose their opportunity for being steeped in FAITH, AND for becoming CONVERTED.
PUT yourself in THEIR shoes. Remember a time of hearing ABOUT the Lord Jesus....ON A FEW OCCASIONS...."YOU" were no more PREPARED TO COMMIT to a CONVERSION then they were. They were LEARNING ABOUT the Lord. They were being TAUGHT, HOW IMPORTANT "CONTINUING " Hearing HIS WORD IS....BECAUSE IT LEADS TO strengthening of Faith, and Belief, and THEREAFTER CONVERSION.....
"FOR" those "WHO DO CONTINUE"
Take Judas for example...he followed, he believed, he was one on one with Jesus.
And as soon as he wanted to DO SOMTHING, that Jesus DID NOT AGREE WITH...
Judas' whole demeanor CHANGED...
He stopped believing, following, and went the extra mile TO DECEIVE his fellow believers, and BETRAY Jesus.
HE FELL FROM FAITH.
He FELL FROM Grace.
HOW is that possible when he had believed?
Because he WAS NOT YET CONVERTED.
He didn't KEEP following long enough to become steeped in Faith, and BECOME forgiven and CONVERTED.
You are attempting to make MAN...not YET Converted.......as IF THEY WERE....when they WERE NOT. And absolutely a man NOT converted CAN FALL FROM FAITH...CAN FALL from Grace.
ONCE SAVED......IS A Converted man.
Converted BECAUSE the man submitted HIS LIFE, "TO" Christ, and Accepted Christ's Forgiveness, Christ's Blood, Christ's Body, Christ's crucifixion, Christ's Seed, Christ's Indwelling POWER to KEEP the man FOREVER in Faith to ONLY, thee Lord God Almighty.