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BreadOfLife

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"Stripes" refers to "Stripes", not to bleeding caused however by whatever; no bleeding was caused. Before the whipping started, they changed Jesus' apparel for something they put on, whipped Him and afterwards put on his own clothes again, FOR WHAT? Because the clothing they scourged Him in had no blood on to show for their effort. Obvious; but if you will not understand you will not understand.
Why did they have to hit the crown of thorns with a stick? Because they CRAVED HIS BLOOD but got none.
Why you think Pilate asked Jesus if He was some divine being? Because Jesus' "flesh saw no corruption" by any means imaginable! This Man was like a lamb slaughtered, He did not make a sound; this Man was like a god --was God in fact--, He did not shed a piece of skin nor a drop of blood! THIS MAN AS BLOOD OF A GOD no eye of man could see POURED OUT HIS SOUL even the blind could see!

That's a pathetically-ignorant understanding of Roman torture. History and archaeology informs us that the instruments used in scourging were NOT simply leather whips. The ends of the whips were fashioned with metal, bone, claws and anything else they could attach that would rip apart the flesh.

No, my Scripturally-ignorant friend - "Stripes" refers to BLOOD . . .
 
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With another colouring-in, the text looks like this, "And being in anguish, He prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.” "Sweat" fell and "sweat" was "drops"; not "blood".
In any case, this was not caused by man but by Himself, He having "been in anguish" -- "in anguish" of SOUL -- of HIS soul.
Uh huh - because of our SIN -- OUR sin.
GOD (Jesus) bled because of OUR SIN.
 
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yet you had to fix that to make it sound like you want it to, see; you cannot Quote that.
"Water and blood" issuing forth should invoke other...situations, that you might compare.
"Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

Not sure what you are saying here....

Blood and water seperate after death
 

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Not sure what you are saying here....

Blood and water seperate after death
yes, that is also true. And i wish i could give you like some firm conclusion or whatever from this, but i have none myself.
For you i might point out what Muhammad said, and ask how he might have been able to write all of these with a straight face,
God has no family
Jesus did not die
(if i remember correctly...yup, close enough)
follow Christ or be doomed (x3 at least)

or you might even go seek Jesus the person, or Nazareth the 1st century town, and come to it that way.
i don't know if the whole point is to reflect breaking up Nehushtan and condemn Jesus cults, or what.
that's possible i guess.
i suspect it has to do with establishing the spiritual body of Christ myself,
and i guess in that vein it doesn't do to look too deeply into mythology, but that causes its own problems, obviously; if we have diff definitions of that term

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Nov 11, 2016 - After realising something was wrong I checked back to see the earliest images of Jesus being crucified but there are none. Okay, we have seen millions of such paintings but there are none for hundreds of years after his death. It is not until the fourth century that scenes of the Crucifixion of Jesus began to ..."

also the account has Jesus hung way too short a time to die--covered by Him "giving up the spirit" i guess. It's just...oh, 100, or at least 50 little things that just eventually start to add up--to what, i do not exactly know.

not something i would ever bring up in congregation lol
to the right pastor in private though, certainly.
 
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THIS MAN AS BLOOD OF GOD no eye of man could see POURED OUT HIS SOUL even the blind could see!

Everyone’s mindset in That Night and Day of Jesus’ last Passover of Yahweh Suffering, was to celebrate his blood, which clearly is seen in the tenor of all four Gospel records. Everyone wanted, craved, and sought after, his, blood, wherefore all desperately wanted him (against the Law of Moses which demanded the victim to be “hanged on a pole”) crucified, because the usual way to crucify was with arms and feet tied with ropes to the wood, but sometimes for no reason than sadistic pleasure to watch BLOOD shed, also with arms and feet nailed, to the wood.

But on That Day, they crucified God in Christ, OMNIPOTENT IN “POWER”, “laying down his Life Himself”, “of Himself making Sacrifice”.

It was THEN, and THEREFORE, that when “all”, their demanding BLOOD despite, saw Jesus POURING OUT HIS SOUL giving up The Spirit and DIE, that they “all” and “everyone with beating heart, fled” their blood-lust unquenched, while the earth shook and the devil from heaven fell.

Nevertheless all Christianity fell for the Roman Catholic abomination of desolation of a ‘~jesus bleeding the mushier the more beautiful~’. Yes, that was what one wrote except he wrote ‘jesus’ with a capital ‘J’.)

John 18:12
τῶν Ἰουδαίων συνέλαβον τὸν Ἰησοῦν καὶ ἔδησαν αὐτὸν,
of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him.
Luke 22:54a
Συλλαβόντες δὲ αὐτὸν ἤγαγον
Then took (and bound) they him led him
καὶ εἰσήγαγον (αὐτὸν) εἰς τὴν οἰκίαν τοῦ ἀρχιερέως·
and brought him into the the high priest’s house.
Matthew 26:58
τοῦ ἀρχιερέως, καὶ εἰσελθὼν ἔσω
high priest’s palace, and (Peter) went in,
ἐκάθητο μετὰ τῶν ὑπηρετῶν ἰδεῖν τὸ τέλος.
and sat with the servants, to see the end.
John 18:24
ἀπέστειλεν οὖν αὐτὸν ὁ Ἄννας δεδεμένον πρὸς Καϊάφαν τὸν ἀρχιερέα.
Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.
Lukas 22:66b-71
67 Εἰ σὺ εἶ ὁ Χριστός, εἰπὸν ἡμῖν. εἶπεν δὲ αὐτοῖς
Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them,
Ἐὰν ὑμῖν εἴπω, οὐ μὴ πιστεύσητε·
If I tell you, ye will not believe.
ἐὰν δὲ ἐρωτήσω, οὐ μὴ ἀποκριθῆτε (μοι ἢ ἀπολύσητε).
And if I also ask, ye will not answer, nor let me go.
69 ἀπὸ τοῦ νῦν δὲ ἔσται ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καθήμενος
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit
ἐκ δεξιῶν τῆς δυνάμεως τοῦ Θεοῦ.
on the right hand of the power of God.
70 εἶπαν δὲ πάντες Σὺ οὖν εἶ ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ;
Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God?
Mark 15:20b
Καὶ ἐξάγουσιν αὐτὸν ἵνα σταυρώσωσιν αὐτόν.
And they led him out to crucify him.
Matthew 27:31b
. . . καὶ ἀπήγαγον αὐτὸν εἰς τὸ σταυρῶσαι.
. . . and they (to shed This Man’s blood), led him away to crucify him…. (Crucifixion was their last and ultimate attempt to get Jesus to bleed... to no avail.)
 
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God "made" a garment of skin, right, God did not kill anything to get the skin;
you are just being allowed to interpret that to suit yourself imo

So God created a garment on the Seventh Day... So THAT was God's work of the Seventh Day... And I thought “in six days God created everything that He had created”… ts ts me stupiiid!
 

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Uh huh - because of our SIN -- OUR sin.
GOD (Jesus) bled because of OUR SIN.

Wrong; He did not, bleed. That's my point! He "poured out his SOUL". That is quoted, from Scripture. I believe Scripture; not you or the church or the anti-Christ RCC. I'm a Protestant. I have my 'rights'; my 'rights' are the plain written Word of God in the Scriptures.
 
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So God created a garment on the Seventh Day... So THAT was God's work of the Seventh Day... And I thought “in six days God created everything that He had created”… ts ts me stupiiid!
ha well that might be a conundrum, dunno. If @aspen's idea of "ego" is correct there, maybe not. Looking better alla time i guess
 

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Wrong; He did not, bleed. That's my point! He "poured out his SOUL". That is quoted, from Scripture. I believe Scripture; not you or the church or the ant-Christ RCC. I'm a Protestant. I have my 'rights'; my 'rights' are the plain written Word of God in the Scriptures.
And you're a good little Protestant at that. The true spirit of Protestantism has ALWAYS been division and invented doctrine. However, I'm not sure that you even qualify as a Protestant.

By saying that Jesus didn't bleed when He was scourged, nailed to a cross and pierced through the heart with a spear indicates that YOU don't believe that He was a man. This is heresy, plain and simple. This belief would make you a quasi-Christian - not a real Christian. Other quasi-Christian sects include Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, Onenes Pentecostals, Christadelphians and the like.

Many other heresies before yours have made the same blunder - the Docetists, for one.
Virtually EVERY heresy begins with the misconception of the nature of God.
 
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That's a pathetically-ignorant understanding of Roman torture. History and archaeology informs us that the instruments used in scourging were NOT simply leather whips. The ends of the whips were fashioned with metal, bone, claws and anything else they could attach that would rip apart the flesh.

No, my Scripturally-ignorant friend - "Stripes" refers to BLOOD . . .
Fine, made a note of, '~"Stripes" refers to BLOOD . . .~' not to "stripes".
 
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well notice you had to add that part, right
Absolutely.

A Roman flagrum was fashioned with pieces of metal on the ends of the lashes so they they would rip into the flesh causing bleeding.
 
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What are "stripes" on a body that has been scourged with a Roman flagrum??

In Jesus' case, "his stripes with which we are healed".
"I will be his Father, and He shall be My Son ... I will chasten Him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the children of men, but My Mercy shall not depart away from Him."
"If they break My Law I will visit their transgression with The Rod, and their iniquity with stripes (of My Rod); my lovingkindness will I not take from Him, nor suffer My Faithful to fail. My Covenant I will not break nor alter The Thing that is gone out of my lips. ... What Man is He That Liveth and shall not see death? Shall He deliver his soul from the (corrupting) hand of the grave? SELAH! ... “Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.”

“Remember LORD, the reproach of Thy Servant, how I BEAR IN MY BOSOM THE REPROACH OF PEOPLE wherewith they have reproached THINE ANOINTED."

“I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though A Man declare it unto you.”
 
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The Jewish problem


All this may shed a significant beam of light on why so many rulers had so much trouble with the Hebrews, Jews and early Christians: they wouldn't sit still! A people that huddles around a clearly visible effigy can be knocked into submission by knocking that deity off its socket (1 Samuel 5:3, 2 Kings 19:12). And a state that's formed on a particular set of "self-evident truths" can be easily dismantled by disproving the merits of these founding premises. But a nation of people that is devoted to learning, to changing, bending, doubting, refining and reforming can not possibly be molded into shape..." The amazing name Hebrew: meaning and etymology
 

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In Jesus' case, "his stripes with which we are healed".
"I will be his Father, and He shall be My Son ... I will chasten Him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the children of men, but My Mercy shall not depart away from Him."
"If they break My Law I will visit their transgression with The Rod, and their iniquity with stripes (of My Rod); my lovingkindness will I not take from Him, nor suffer My Faithful to fail. My Covenant I will not break nor alter The Thing that is gone out of my lips. ... What Man is He That Liveth and shall not see death? Shall He deliver his soul from the (corrupting) hand of the grave? SELAH! ... “Thou shalt not suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.”

“Remember LORD, the reproach of Thy Servant, how I BEAR IN MY BOSOM THE REPROACH OF PEOPLE wherewith they have reproached THINE ANOINTED."

“I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though A Man declare it unto you.”
In other words - you are dancing around the issue.
NONE of what you just posted answers the question I asked of you.

I asked you WHAT are the "stripes" Isaiah spoke of.
I didn't ask you what they did for us.
 
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