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    gadar perets said:

    Then I confess my sin and ask for forgiveness through Yeshua's shed blood. Then I endeavor to not commit the same sin again (repentance).

    Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

    For another thread... Tell me where in the Gospels you found Jesus' 'shed blood'...
     
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    Matthew 26:28 ,for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins
    Romans 5:9 ,Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
    Hebrews 10:19-22 ,let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
    for more look at the link below
    https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Blood,-Of-Jesus-Christ
     
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    '~Matthew 26:28 ,for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins~'.
    Jesus speaks of the wine and calls the wine "My blood of the covenant, which is poured out". He obviously spoke figuratively, not literally. Or else his blood had to be scooped up from events the next day and served for the Last Supper the night before it somehow. Neither words "blood" and "poured out / shed" indicate Jesus' blood physically (literally) poured out. That is why it literally is written in both OT and NT "He poured out his SOUL"! Because with animal sacrifices "the life is in the blood"; but with the "Sacrifice of Himself", his 'blood' was "poured out" in, and as, "He poured out his SOUL".

    NO drop of physical blood of Jesus the Christ was spilt. The claim is Roman Catholic bloody idolatry.

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    '~Romans 5:9 ,Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.~'

    Yes, we have "NOW been justified by His blood" as every saved sinner ever has been and ever shall be saved. Again, Paul's is figurative speech; no literal meaning attached. He did not write, "blood SHED" literally, or whatsoever meant "blood SHED" physically. The abomination! "We shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him"--, through "HIM" the whole Christ whose "flesh (and blood that was and still is his "flesh" "in" which He "came" from death and from the "suffering" of his dying death--, whose "flesh saw NO CORRUPTION", yea, not so much as one drop of blood shod.

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    '~Hebrews 10:19-22 ,let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh~'

    A "heart sprinkled clean from an evil conscience with water" is as physically true as is us "enter(ing) the (literal) holy place (literally in heaven) by the (physical) blood of Jesus". But again the "new and living way for us to enter through the veil IS JESUS through his flesh" BY FAITH of course, NOT meant literally, clearly! As one person claimed, by Jesus' "flesh" because He drained out his blood completely and rose from the dead with a bloodless body! At least this person was consistent and not so overtly false as the Roman Catholics who preach an endlessly 'bleeding Jesus'.
     
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    You clearly have a fantastic faith, to believe that Jesus's physical death did not involve him bleeding.
    Every reference referrs to Jesus either going to or having 'shed' his blood.
     
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    Supply one reference you cannot, because every reference to man's attempts to get the Christ of God bleeding like mortal sinners must at such physical violence prove maddening frustration, anger, and further VAIN ATTEMPT. While each moment the Lamb of God "made a show of them openly He TRIUMPHED over them in it" HIS SUFFERING IN SOUL AND FLESH.

    Like Israel of old passed through the Red Sea on dry land Our Passover passed through "THIS THOU HAST PREPARED FOR ME BEHIND THE VEIL", "the veil" of his sinless and therefore immutable human "flesh", God being The Faithful who would not let Him suffer like the guilty, but conquer like the LORD Almighty in dying the death of death of the last enemy. "Because He sinned not and was not guilty" (Leviticus 6:30) He was ABLE to "restore" that which they (US) "violently" tried to "take away" -- HIS VERY LIFE, and to destroy -- HIS VERY SOUL, the thing which they (US) "deceitfully have gotten" but He was ABLE to "deliver : that which was delivered to Him to KEEP" -- his SOUL AND LIFE, FLESH AND BLOOD AND BONES, WHOLE. "That Day was The Whole Day BONE-DAY" of the Passover of Yahweh!
     
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    Jesus fulfilled the law for us. That is His shed blood was the price paid for sins just as the sacrificial lamb's blood was a picture of what Jesus would do. Have you not read where it says "that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin."

    Heb 9:21-28
    21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry.

    22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

    23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
    24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
    25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another —
    26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
    27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
    28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
    NKJV
     
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    Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
    Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water.
     
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    "He was already dead."

    And not 'blood came out', but "blood-and-water" wherein was, nor is, any Life for anyone.
    "For these things happened / were done that the Scriptures should be fulfilled, A bone of Him shall NOT be broken, because again another Scripture says (the same thing): They shall look to Him whom they, pierced", but when alive could not do any harm to, although He passed through the valley of death.

    In other words, his side was pierced because and as God, foretold it! The "blood-and-water" which "came out" was not blood which Jesus, poured out pouring out his soul, alive, willing, and obediently "desiring to do Thy Will, o God!" It was "blood-and-water" not of Salvation, but "blood-and-water" that witnessed to and foretold the future day of Judgement and the everlasting punishment for all the wicked (and not for just "one of the soldiers" who actually pierced Jesus' side).
     
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    Sorry, the text clearly says that blood issued from the wound that the Roman soldier inflicted. Jesus could and did bleed, your irrational protests notwithstanding.
     
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    '~Have you not read where it says "that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin."~'

    Don't you read that that was according to the previous dispensation or former sacrificial "ministry" and is saying nothing about Christ's Ministration of Himself the Priest, Himself the Sacrifice, Himself the Altar, who "poured out his soul" Himself, Himself the "I AM the Resurrection and the Life"?
     
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    The evidence just keeps mounting against your strange pet doctrine.

    Heb 9:11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)
    Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
     
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    Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law for us. Which means He did what the Law was unable to do for us. Jesus' poured out SOUL was the price paid for sins, NOT as the sacrificial lamb's blood metaphorically was a picture of what Jesus would do.

    The life of the blood sacrifices was shed in their blood being shed; but Jesus' blood was shed in his soul, his Life, being poured out.
     
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    Sorry, the text clearly does not say that '~blood issued from the wound~; it says "blood-and-water", "precisely / frankly / plainly ['euthus'] blood-and-water came out". The text does not even say 'from the (inflicted) wound', but just, "blood-and-water came out", "came out", by itself.
    Jesus did not, actively, 'bleed', or He must have been still alive so that it was not the soldier's spear which caused the "blood-and-water" to "come out", your irrational protests notwithstanding.
     
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    So blood + water = no blood? Good luck with that. You're really going off the rails here.

    The text contradicts you.

    Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water.
     
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    "He entered once for all into the most holy (temple of his Resurrected Life "in the flesh" as John says) NOT, by means of the blood of goats and calves, BUT, by means / with / because of ['dia'] his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption"--, "by means / with / because of his own blood"--, not without it!

    Like Christ without any bone of his broken or severed secured eternal redemption, secured He eternal redemption with any blood severed or 'bled out'.

    Christ substantially rose from the dead as substantially He descended into death. “THIS SAME Jesus whom ye crucified God raised Christ and Lord!”
     
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    Though "blood-and-water" is one thing which "came out" Singular 'eksehlthen', it is not '~no blood~' but the "blood-and-water" as written thing. Your '~blood + water =~' of course = two things; unlucky for you, no two as written things though.

    The "blood-and-water" was lifeless: without the Water-of-Life the Soul of Jesus IN and WITH it, but was dead "blood-and-water" whereby, or wherein or wherewith it is impossible any can be redeemed or saved; it was not "the blood of Jesus": "according to the Scriptures": "poured out": in or with or AS: "his Soul poured out".
     
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    The text does not contradict me, it contradicts you.
     
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    You have officially come unhinged. That's what happens when you attempt to defend the indefensible.
     
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    Thanks. It's stored and saved, and publicly shared, your official defence.
    Therefore the coming Lord's Supper for me, I'll eat bread and drink wine, not 'wine-and-water' mixed and given believers as BLOOD to drink for the WINE of the Lord’s Supper. So the day wine and water will be one and the same thing as wine, I will reconsider your Roman Catholic teaching there came forth not one and the same thing, "blood-and-water".
     
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    Please show where it says Jesus shed out His soul.
     
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