AN OFT OVERLOOKED LESSON FROM JACOB'S LADDER

[Helen]

P.S. Someone on this forum told me just today that I must not be saved.
Why? Because I say that we're to obey Jesus.
This is pretty strange to me!

And who made them the 'all seeing eye'... the judge of hearts.
Even when I am speaking to the obviously unsaved..I hesitate to tell them so. That is not our calling..our calling is the Good News.

It does amaze me how so many speak 'as if' with authority, yet cannot even discern a rice pudding if they saw one!!

 

[GodsGrace]

And who made them the 'all seeing eye'... the judge of hearts.
Even when I am speaking to the obviously unsaved..I hesitate to tell them so. That is not our calling..our calling is the Good News.

It does amaze me how so many speak 'as if' with authority, yet cannot even discern a rice pudding if they saw one!!

I just don't pay attention.
Only God needs to know.
I wonder if they know that actually we are allowed to judge persons in the way of sinning and helping them back. If we didn't "judge" how would we know they're sinning?

However, we're not allowed to judge someone's spiritual state. That is something better left to God since I believe that is something way beyond our pay scale!

 

[Nancy]

We're all saved people here Nancy.
I'm always talking about saved people.
I know works don't save anyone...that was my number 1, remember?
I just think it's dangerous to say that we don't have to do anything because Jesus did it all.
I think this might be leading new Christians astray. Revelation 21:27...I worry that they don't understand there has to be a change. We like to say that the Holy Spirit does this and I know for sure it's through the Holy Spirit, but I also hear those that tell me sin is no problem... Someone on here said it just yesterday.

"We're all saved people here Nancy." Only if they depend wholly on Christ's finished work on the cross.
"I just think it's dangerous to say that we don't have to do anything because Jesus did it all." We don't and cannot do anything in regards to salvation is my point. Our part is to

 

[Nancy]

"We're all saved people here Nancy." Only if they depend wholly on Christ's finished work on the cross.
"I just think it's dangerous to say that we don't have to do anything because Jesus did it all." We don't and cannot do anything in regards to salvation is my point. Our part is to

Oh gosh...most of my post is cut off!!! let me go back to drafts and try to find the rest

 

[Nancy]

Oh gosh...most of my post is cut off!!! let me go back to drafts and try to find the rest

Bummer...I spent good time on the rest of it...let me just pick up where I left off...

 

[Nancy]

Oh gosh...most of my post is cut off!!! let me go back to drafts and try to find the rest

... Our part is to allow the Spirit to change us from within since He now lives within us and working through us. The changes come gradually as we submit ALL things to Him and if one truly has the Spirit living within them, they cannot help but change! They have a new heart! A heart transplant, if you will, lol. What follows, gradually, in relation to our submission, are the 9 fruits of the Spirit...we can do NONE of this on our own.
" I also hear those that tell me sin is no problem... Someone on here said it just yesterday." That, IMO is a lie from the pit of Hell. Sin is THE problem! If it were not, Jesus died in vain. "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30
It is so important to be fed the true Word of God. There are so many erroneous ideas out there but, "He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" <---love this verse because it is so true!
I just ask Him to keep me into all Truth, keep me open to correction, be wise as a serpent but gentle as a dove.
If something is not core to the Christian belief, it does not so much bother me, semantics. But, if it does go against the core Christian beliefs then I would take issue. Especially if I have personally experienced something.
So sorry this took so long coming back to reply, had to feed the dogs and myself...taking me a bit longer to do things while on a knee scooter in a small Cape Cod house, lol.
Blessings aplenty!
-nancy

 

[Nancy]

I agree.
If Jesus is just a god, and someone is "worshipping" Him, then He is breaking the first and most important commandment. He is worshipping a false god.
Deuteronomy 6:4

As to the rest, I think we agree. It's always the language.
I'll bet @Nancy agrees too, it's just that nowadays we hear things differently because of the hyper-grace movement and the faith only movement. IMO.

"I'll bet @Nancy agrees too..." She sure does

 

[Heb 13:8]

So stop worrying about me, since you don't have the answers.
And find out about the two covenants and how they're different.

I worry about anyone preaching loss of salvation, and I worry about those who do not preach the finished work of the cross. It's not a good place to be in.

 

[Nancy]

P.S. Someone on this forum told me just today that I must not be saved.
Why? Because I say that we're to obey Jesus.
This is pretty strange to me!

Oh, so they know your heart huh? Shaking my head

 

[quietthinker]

Find a strict church - a church that teaches standards. Find a church that teaches sanctification. Find a church that teaches you've got to obey God's commandments because "there shall in no wise enter into (heaven) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

As to date I have not found such a church ie an institution. I have found however individuals whom I could take a feather from their caps. People who have shone as lights in ways that they are oblivious to. It is people of this nature that I consider his church. Scattered thin, very thin, extremely thin. No doubt there are those who contend for the faith beyond my awareness.
Many of those who I grew up with in my early Christian walk who were enthusiastic about the gospel have abandoned the faith altogether or have latched onto twisted distortions abandoning the primary guide posts.

 

[brakelite]

As to date I have not found such a church ie an institution. I have found however individuals whom I could take a feather from their caps. People who have shone as lights in ways that they are oblivious to. It is people of this nature that I consider his church. Scattered thin, very thin, extremely thin. No doubt there are those who contend for the faith beyond my awareness.
Many of those who I grew up with in my early Christian walk who were enthusiastic about the gospel have abandoned the faith altogether or have latched onto twisted distortions abandoning the primary guide posts.

I would like our churches to be teaching Jesus. Standards...obedience...they will come so long as one is firmly attached to the Vine. Inevitable even. When I see a church however that has abandoned the standards...that doesn't practice obedience to God's commandments, I see that as evidence that that particular church is not so much as not teachings standards and obedience, but rather not teaching Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

I would like our churches to be teaching Jesus. Standards...obedience...they will come so long as one is firmly attached to the Vine. Inevitable even. When I see a church however that has abandoned the standards...that doesn't practice obedience to God's commandments, I see that as evidence that that particular church is not so much as not teachings standards and obedience, but rather not teaching Jesus.

Presenting Jesus brakelite is what I hunger for. Presenting him in a way that draws me to him, that makes me want to enthusiastically pursue what the preacher presented and not just a passing mention every now and again to validate doctrine or to raise revenue. I think you know what I mean. Annnnd, not only do i long for him being presented but also folks who are keen to strike up conversations that are centred around Jesus and his work and to explore it. 'Nice' alone no longer cuts it for me.

 

[brakelite]

Presenting Jesus brakelite is what I hunger for. Presenting him in a way that draws me to him, that makes me want to enthusiastically pursue what the preacher presented and not just a passing mention every now and again to validate doctrine or to raise revenue. I think you know what I mean. Annnnd, not only do i long for him being presented but also folks who are keen to strike up conversations that are centred around Jesus and his work and to explore it. 'Nice' alone no longer cuts it for me.

I would like regular Bible studies akin to what Jesus gave the disciples on the road to Emmaus. I like the kind of sermon that cam be discussed, dissected, and broadened on Sabbath afternoon with the family, invited guests, and perhaps the preacher himself.

 

[Phoneman777]

As to date I have not found such a church ie an institution. I have found however individuals whom I could take a feather from their caps. People who have shone as lights in ways that they are oblivious to. It is people of this nature that I consider his church. Scattered thin, very thin, extremely thin. No doubt there are those who contend for the faith beyond my awareness.
Many of those who I grew up with in my early Christian walk who were enthusiastic about the gospel have abandoned the faith altogether or have latched onto twisted distortions abandoning the primary guide posts.

You're post reveals that of which you are obviously not aware. You are not searching for an institution, because you'd have found it by now. Your focus is entirely on individuals and that is the mistake. Even Judas was found among the church Jesus founded. The church you are looking for is in Bible prophecy and is, among other things, known by the fact that they "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the Spirit of Prophecy)". - Revelation 12:17 KJV

Instead, focus on the doctrines presented. Ask, are they Biblical? Are they reasonable? Do they line up with "the law and the testimony"? And, most importantly, do they reveal the true character of Christ? Once found, join it and then use your talents to reach out to those around you.

 

[larry2]

I'll narrow the options down so fast for you, your head'll swim. Find a church that teaches obedience to God's commandments, and no excuses for disregarding them.

Hi Brother Phoneman777. I reckon I shouldn't get into this, but you've stoked my interest. You have as a part of your signature I suppose the scripture "He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him.".
Just flat out, do you trust the revealed words of Jesus to Paul as containing those commandments to the nth degree? If we can proceed, I may ask what commandments you think these to be. Thanks.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

... Our part is to allow the Spirit to change us from within since He now lives within us and working through us. The changes come gradually as we submit ALL things to Him and if one truly has the Spirit living within them, they cannot help but change! They have a new heart! A heart transplant, if you will, lol. What follows, gradually, in relation to our submission, are the 9 fruits of the Spirit...we can do NONE of this on our own.
" I also hear those that tell me sin is no problem... Someone on here said it just yesterday." That, IMO is a lie from the pit of Hell. Sin is THE problem! If it were not, Jesus died in vain. "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30
It is so important to be fed the true Word of God. There are so many erroneous ideas out there but, "He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" <---love this verse because it is so true!
I just ask Him to keep me into all Truth, keep me open to correction, be wise as a serpent but gentle as a dove.
If something is not core to the Christian belief, it does not so much bother me, semantics. But, if it does go against the core Christian beliefs then I would take issue. Especially if I have personally experienced something.
So sorry this took so long coming back to reply, had to feed the dogs and myself...taking me a bit longer to do things while on a knee scooter in a small Cape Cod house, lol.
Blessings aplenty!
-nancy

Sounds good to me. I just wish everybody understood this.

 

[Nancy]

Sounds good to me. I just wish everybody understood this.

Me too GodsGrace, I have hear said by a preacher one time that "If you are flirting with Moses, you are cheating on Jesus" lol. But, truth being is any who try to mix the old with the covenants (for salvation, AND keeping it) is like putting shackles beck on...in Jesus, we are free indeed. We humans just seem to have to get our own hands into the mix and think we are "fixing" something...this ain't broken so, no need to fix it!
Be fiercely blessed!
-nancy

 

[Helen]

I have hear said by a preacher one time that "If you are flirting with Moses, you are cheating on Jesus"

I have never heard that one...but I love it!!
I am making a mental note to add it to mine.

Thank you for that one!!! ....H

 

[quietthinker]

You're post reveals that of which you are obviously not aware. You are not searching for an institution, because you'd have found it by now. Your focus is entirely on individuals and that is the mistake. Even Judas was found among the church Jesus founded. The church you are looking for is in Bible prophecy and is, among other things, known by the fact that they "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the Spirit of Prophecy)". - Revelation 12:17 KJV

Instead, focus on the doctrines presented. Ask, are they Biblical? Are they reasonable? Do they line up with "the law and the testimony"? And, most importantly, do they reveal the true character of Christ? Once found, join it and then use your talents to reach out to those around you.

Phoneman, it is not necessary to judge so quickly. There are factors which you are not aware of the details of which I will spare you.
In profession and lip service there is much piety yet when it comes to transparency and inconvenience the true colours are shown.

 

[brakelite]

You're post reveals that of which you are obviously not aware. You are not searching for an institution, because you'd have found it by now. Your focus is entirely on individuals and that is the mistake. Even Judas was found among the church Jesus founded. The church you are looking for is in Bible prophecy and is, among other things, known by the fact that they "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the Spirit of Prophecy)". - Revelation 12:17 KJV

Instead, focus on the doctrines presented. Ask, are they Biblical? Are they reasonable? Do they line up with "the law and the testimony"? And, most importantly, do they reveal the true character of Christ? Once found, join it and then use your talents to reach out to those around you.

I see no institution surviving the mark of the beast except Babylon. Only those who surrender through convenience or conscience will be permitted to operate openly. God's people at that time I agree will be those who choose to keep God's commandments through faith in Jesus, but will have to cease to be identified with their church. We'll be on our own then, just as in some parts of the world where the churches are not what they ought to be and have already surrendered to the world, being alone, or with a small group of like minded individuals, becomes the only option.