Eternal Security

[gadar perets]

I am not and have never been invited to the Jewish Laws...

One is not "invited" to keep the law. Obedience to the law is a fruit of our salvation and stems from a heart of love for the Lawgiver (1 John 5:3).

The Letter Kills,
But the Spirit Gives Life...

The letter kills when not kept through the Spirit.

If we are still "under the law" then why did Jesus die??

He died to free us from sin (free us from our transgressions of the law). He did not free us from the law itself. And we are not still "under the law" which means we are not under its condemnation.

As far as the Sabbath, our Sabbath rest is not "a certain day of the week" it is ongoing as our final Sabbath rest is Jesus Christ Himself. And we are not to esteem one day... Romans 14:5

Our final Sabbath rest is the Millennial Kingdom, not Yeshua.

I usually do not like to use the copy/paste thingy but, I find the below article spot on with what my own personal beliefs stand, as of today:
New Priesthood - New Covenant
January 22, 2017
Today’s Word of Encouragement From Wayne:

“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, ‘You are a priest forever’; so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant”
Hebrews 7:21-22
Because we now have a “priest forever,” Jesus Christ, we are therefore highly favored and blessed to live in our High Priest’s “better covenant” forever.
“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind” regarding this eternal priesthood and New Covenant in which we now live.

Earlier in this chapter of Hebrews the author wrote, “Now if perfection was through the levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizadek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also” (7:11-12). The writer of Hebrews was simply stating that David’s word of prophecy from Psalm 110, “The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizadek,” (Vs. 4) not only indicated a coming new, eternal, permanent priesthood but also a new, eternal, permanent covenant to go with it, which we are now blessed to live in through our indwelling Savior, King, and High Priest, Jesus Christ.
Instead of toiling under an old covenant, with curses and blessings and no hope of permanent salvation, you and I are alive in Christ in His New Covenant of grace, which He inaugurated for us as our High Priest through His Own precious New Covenant blood, which He shed at Calvary and, through His resurrection, presented to God in heaven (Hebrews 9: 11-15).
God’s New Covenant law lives within us right now, through Christ, Who is our New Covenant.
Bless your High Priest with praises in His presence today and learn all you can about our glorious, eternal, New Covenant. Hallelujah!

Praise be to YHWH for the New Covenant and its law. What law? TORAH - Jeremiah 31:33 - Hebrew.

 

[GodsGrace]

I call obeying God part of my new nature. It is what we do naturally. But that is only by the Holy Spirit IF we have Him.

What is confusing all of us, I believe, is your statements of "unconditional and universal" without explanation. God ALWAYS applies conditions, and NEVER saves universally. So if you mean something else than these errors, please speak up.

What is confusing you all is that you don't seem to know what a covenant is.
See post 487 and find out.

God DOES NOT always apply CONDITIONS.
Read up on it.

 

[Nancy]

IMHO! If anyone mixes Law with Grace, it say's to me that they do not believein/trust in the finished work of Christ. Why do you think it is called the good news?? Because when we are free to choose this day whom we will serve, and we choose wisely (Christ) the natural inclination is to not WANT sin anymore. Unfortunately, sin is a parasite that will live in us, waring with our spirits until we are taken home. Christ-has already won the battle for us. We, as carnal human beings will not always win the battles, but the war is already won...Satan is already defeated. We are not sinless...but as we grow in Him, know Him more we do sin less.
Our will should always seek His, and does He not answer every prayer prayed in His will??

 

[Episkopos]

"Ritual" circumcision is not necessary. My flesh and my heart have both been circumcised (my flesh long before my heart).

So you are "hedging your bets" by trying to qualify for more than one covenant? Maybe you are doing neither...but rather cobbling together some things from both covenants that you are comfortable with?

We only need Jesus Christ. Not Jesus and some ritual law or tradition.

Of course the OT is good for instruction in righteousness....just not holiness.

 

[Episkopos]

What is confusing you all is that you don't seem to know what a covenant is.
See post 487 and find out.

God DOES NOT always apply CONDITIONS.
Read up on it.

God does His part. And we need to do our part. And then we get sorted out.

 

[GodsGrace]

I call obeying God part of my new nature. It is what we do naturally. But that is only by the Holy Spirit IF we have Him.

What is confusing all of us, I believe, is your statements of "unconditional and universal" without explanation. God ALWAYS applies conditions, and NEVER saves universally. So if you mean something else than these errors, please speak up.

BTW, I never brought up universal...YOU did.

 

[Episkopos]

LOL

Are you beyond all that?

 

[gadar perets]

So you are "hedging your bets" by trying to qualify for more than one covenant? Maybe you are doing neither...but rather cobbling together some things from both covenants that you are comfortable with?

We only need Jesus Christ. Not Jesus and some ritual law or tradition.

I was circumcised as a baby, but I forgive you for your profound ignorance.

 

[gadar perets]

IMHO! If anyone mixes Law with Grace, it say's to me that they do not believein/trust in the finished work of Christ.

Do you obey any laws at all in either the Old or New Testament?

 

[Episkopos]

Do you obey any laws at all in either the Old or New Testament?

Do you mean holiness laws like sacrificing turtle doves? Or righteousness laws like treating others with love?

 

[Episkopos]

I was circumcised as a baby, but I forgive you for your profound ignorance.

I was also...and may God help you get unmuddled in this confusion between covenants.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

BTW, I never brought up universal...YOU did.

By saying "unilateral and unconditional" it is the same concept. We have nothing to do with it, only God. But, we are responsible to accept His gift, or leave it and be damned.

 

[Episkopos]

By saying "unilateral and unconditional" it is the same concept. We have nothing to do with it, only God. But, we are responsible to accept His gift, or leave it and be damned.

...and walk in it...we are to be doers of the word...not just hearers.

 

[gadar perets]

Do you mean holiness laws like sacrificing turtle doves? Or righteousness laws like treating others with love?

The question was for Nancy. I meant any laws whatsoever.

 

[GodsGrace]

By saying "unilateral and unconditional" it is the same concept. We have nothing to do with it, only God. But, we are responsible to accept His gift, or leave it and be damned.

That goes without saying.
Every promise God made to us WITHOUT OUR BEING INVOLVED...
(Adamic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant, New Covenant)
HE WILL certainly keep.

THIS is what is meant in
2 Timothy 2:12-13 NOT what many believe it means...that even if we are faithless to God, He will still be faithful to us...NO, He remains faithful to HIMSELF and His word.
12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

The OSAS always refer to this because it's not understood by them.
If we DENY God, He will surely deny us, as verse 12 states...the bible does not contradict itself.

(caps are for emphasis)

 

[gadar perets]

I was also...and may God help you get unmuddled in this confusion between covenants.

The confusion is in your own perception of me.

 

[Nancy]

Do you obey any laws at all in either the Old or New Testament?

Not to achieve salvation, no. But I do only because I have His Spirit living INSIDE me now giving me the desire to do so as I ALWAYS pray His will and desires in my life. I am free to choose to sin or not, and of course, I do not!
He causes us to hate sin in all it's forms, if you live under the OLD Covenant,then you better start sacrificing bulls and goats. And good luck with that. I am free indeed in Christ. Do I do away with the OC? Never! The gospel of Jesus Christ is woven into every page of it. Here is a 2 minute video @"ByGrace" shared awhile ago about that in the genealogy from Adam to Noah. I LOVE the WHOLE New and Old Covenants of the living Word of God. Here is that vid:

 

[1stCenturyLady]

...and walk in it...we are to be doers of the word...not just hearers.

The difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is in whose strength are we doers of the word? In our own strength, or by the Spirit.

 

[Episkopos]

The question was for Nancy. I meant any laws whatsoever.

Just helping out a sister... Mixing posts is ok here...

 

[Episkopos]

The difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament is in whose strength are we doers of the word? In our own strength, or by the Spirit.

Amen! We can only love as Jesus loved by walking in the same Power that loved us.

We can however at least love others as ourselves. That can be done through learning righteousness.