Jesus Christ is the Lord (YHVH) from heaven. This is an English forum...and we use English terms as well as English verses.
In the OT the word YHVH is translated mainly as Lord.
So then prepare the way for the Lord...that would be YHVH again.
Is. 40:3 A voice is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD (YHVH) in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God (elohim).
What you disagree with is not theologians but the NT writers....This is what they say about the above OT verse.
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Or this...
1 Cor. 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord (YHVH) from heaven.
So to miss the Lord (YHVH) coming in the flesh is to miss Jesus, the gospel, the NT and God.
Well I thought after reading this exchange for a bit, I would add some historical perspective and scriptural sense into the verse 1 Cor 15:47. I could have made a commentary of all your verses in your exchange with GP. I just settled for this one that was sufficient to bring my point home.
1 Cor 15:47: The KJV and its kin versions ran amuck once more, and here, to try and support a Trinity model. The earliest translations (Latin)do not have the English transliterated word ‘Lord’ in it whatsoever. In other words, this last phrase was deliberately changed as a desperate attempt to convince the gullible that Jesus was God Almighty himself. Fortunately, over 70 percent and counting,of the translations have it correct.
And fortunately, on examination of the context, the meaning does become very clear. There is no mention YWHW here. Even if ‘Lord’ was in the original or earliest text, it would never mean God Almighty. It would mean out Lord, master and Saviour, Jesus Christ who was
born of God, our Father (the idiom ‘from the heavenlies,’ ‘is heavenly’ etc. MEANS Born of God, who is from the heavenlies, not Jesus was from the heavenlies - God himself was from heaven)
(1Co 15:39) All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.
(1Co 15:40) There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly is one and the glory of the earthly is another.
(1Co 15:41) There is one glory of the sun and another glory of the moon and another glory of the stars, for one star differs from another star in glory.
(1Co 15:42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
(1Co 15:43) It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
(1Co 15:44) It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
(1Co 15:45) So also it is written: The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(1Co 15:46) But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and only then the spiritual.
(1Co 15:47) The first man is of the earth, earthy. The second man is heavenly.
NIV “is of heaven”
ESV, NASB “is from heaven”
KJV changed ‘heavenly’ or ‘of heaven’ or ‘from heaven’ to “the Lord from heaven”
KJV made verse 17 into a corrupt verse. Folks should write that down...
(1Co 15:48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy, and as is the heavenly, such are they that are heavenly.
(1Co 15:49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (ALL NEV)
1 Cor 15:39-49 speaks of the comparison of the earthly and the heavenly, of the 1st and last/2nd Adams and what we will become,
as like the 2nd Adam. It would be very, VERY odd to read here ‘Lord’ as YWHW (in verse 17). There is no other place ‘Lord’ is present in the entire scripture passage. I wonder why?
And Epi, your seemingly cavalier, ‘thrown down’ gauntlet statement for verse 17 that “So to miss the Lord (YHVH) coming in the flesh is to miss Jesus, the gospel, the NT and God.” As if you are saying to
@gadar perets and others that if you don’t believe my translation of 1 Cor 15:47, then you are ‘lost.’ You might want to reexamine this scripture again and in context this time, before preaching your trash to others.
As 1 Cor 15:49 says ‘’…. we shall bear
the image of the heavenly.” And guess who is the IMAGE of the heavenly? Not YWHW, it is none other that Jesus our Christ, Lord and savior. YWHW cannot be himself and also his own copy/image. All together: That’s impossible! If you believe otherwise then WE as believers, will also be YWHW which is blasphemy indeed.
How can you think to call our Father, Jesus Christ, who is ONLY the image/nature/likeness of God; back on earth and now in the heavenlies? Man have you limited our God Almighty to a copy of his own spiritual character he created, as the last Adam for our salvation.
Bless you,
APAK