Jesus and Commands

[quietthinker]

But Romans 7 is about those BEFORE Christ who were still only under the law. So which is it? Romans 7, or Romans 8 Before or after Christ. Have you ever been baptized in the Holy Spirit?

P.S. I was in Cairns one Christmas. Are you close?

It is Romans 7 1stCL. Romans 7 is the experience of those who are in Jesus. Why do I say this? because no unbeliever has the testimony of Romans 7:15-23
The unbeliever does not care to hate sin, particularly coveting. He/she does not struggle against sin. The struggle against sin is as unnatural to him/her as breathing underwater.

Romans 7:15-23
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.

Have i been baptised in the Holy Spirit?, my answer is yes but I'm not quiet sure what the question has to do with the post.

 

[bbyrd009]

it's like comparing works of a nonbeliever to te works of a believer. what is wun to do when their not convinced.

when they're not convinced of what?

In the death, burial and resurrection.

one is to completely ignore that lest they be found a hypocrite and show them love no matter what, and maybe examine how they got the idea that they were going to get like extra credit for believing something, when there is no judgement for beliefs Heb. i know you have been convinced that there is going to be this "ok all the ppl who said they believed in Jesus over here" moment, but it is not ever going to happen, ok. It is those who do the right thing that are considered righteous, just like the Book says Heb. Don't be deceived

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." The key word there is MY. "To believe on Him, and to love our neighbors."

ah, suddenly Jesus isn't God anymore lol
neverminding that we have other more succinct vv about keeping the law, from Christ's own lips even

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ah, suddenly Jesus isn't God anymore lol
neverminding that we have other more succinct vv about keeping the law, from Christ's own lips even

Zip, right over your head...

 

[bbyrd009]

Zip, right over your head...

so you say, but i could Quote them if you want to ignore them again, no problem

 

[1stCenturyLady]

so you say, but i could Quote them if you want to ignore them again, no problem

Them? I never know what you are talking about.

 

[bbyrd009]

Them? I never know what you are talking about.

ah. you are aware of the like secret little trackback button there in the quote banners i hope?
i couldn't possibly hold all these convos in my head lol

 

[BobRyan]

ah, suddenly Jesus isn't God anymore lol
neverminding that we have other more succinct vv about keeping the law, from Christ's own lips even

Excellent point.

1. Jesus said there is no such thing as a division/opposition/distinction between "Jesus' commandments" and "God's Commandments"
Its right there in John 14. The part people always leave out when they want to quote John 14 to claim that Jesus' commandments are wiping out or replacing God's (as if Jesus is not God).
2. Hebrews 8 says it is Jesus speaking at Sinai - see Heb 8:1-12
3. Jesus said "if you want eternal life - KEEP THE Commandments" Matthew 19 - and is asked 'Which ones?' - whereupon He gives a list of the TEN Commandments dealing with command of Moses - "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
4. Just when "some" want to say "NOT the Commandments of GOD - but the commandments of JESUS" -- Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19

 

[BobRyan]

Are we under the Old Covenant or the New Covenant?

All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

(you are making this too easy)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

ah. you are aware of the like secret little trackback button there in the quote banners i hope?
i couldn't possibly hold all these convos in my head lol

Never mind.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

(you are making this too easy)

LOL, only in your own mind.

What sets the New Covenant away from the Old Covenant. What makes it better? Can you tell us what the key factor is and why?

 

[Heb 13:8]

one is to completely ignore that lest they be found a hypocrite and show them love no matter what, and maybe examine how they got the idea that they were going to get like extra credit for believing something, when there is no judgement for beliefs Heb. i know you have been convinced that there is going to be this "ok all the ppl who said they believed in Jesus over here" moment, but it is not ever going to happen, ok. It is those who do the right thing that are considered righteous, just like the Book says Heb. Don't be deceived

Good people are in hell bbyrd, good people who aren't born again. it's belief that saves u, not doing "good". don't be deceived.

Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

 

[bbyrd009]

Good people are in hell bbyrd, good people who aren't born again.

there is no punishment in Hades, the Greek god's mythology Heb, and you are misled i'm pretty sure

it's belief that saves u, not doing "good". don't be deceived.

7Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous.
then how come you and the Bible sound so different here Heb

Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

your god is a monster Heb, and Scripture seems to be your worst enemy, no offense

 

[bbyrd009]

Never mind.

why go fishing when most ppl will hand you a fish right


no hard feelings i hope

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

(you are making this too easy)

What sets the New Covenant away from the Old Covenant. What makes it better? Can you tell us what the key factor is and why?

Are you even reading your own posts?
Please be serious.

 

[BobRyan]

Good people are in hell bbyrd, good people who aren't born again. it's belief that saves u, not doing "good". don't be deceived.

Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

"Not everyone that SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven-- but rather he who DOES the works" Matthew 7
"it is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified" Rom 2:13
"Be not deceived" -- 1 Cor 6:9-11 Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
James 2: 14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?

Romans 2
5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,

10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

BobRyan said: ↑
All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

(you are making this too easy)



Are you even reading your own posts?
Please be serious.

Why deflect answering the question if you know it, unless you are just trying to save face because you don't.

 

[BobRyan]

Why deflect answering the question if you know it, .

I already did - then posted the answer "again" -- read.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I already did - then posted the answer "again" -- read.

Is this what you meant?

All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

Not what I meant, but, that's okay. When I was an Adventist, I didn't know either.

 

[BobRyan]

Is this what you meant?

All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9

All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans 3:19-21 and Galatians 3:10.

Yes and a great many readers here will instantly see the benefit of the Gospel over the "obey and live" Old Covenant model.

your response to that incredibly obvious contrast was

1stCenturyLady said: ↑
What sets the New Covenant away from the Old Covenant. What makes it better? Can you tell us what the key factor is and why?

hmm "what makes being saved better than being lost"??
"what makes obey-and-live worse than the "saved by grace through faith gospel"?? Your questions indicate you are not even serious on this point.

You say you cannot discern that benefit or why the Gospel works -- that is fine. You have free will and can choose that path if you wish. But there are a lot of objective unbiased readers here who will not have that difficulty - as we both know.

You are constantly slinging the denomination "Seventh-day Adventist" around in your posts like this is getting you out of the mess that you are in at this point. I don't think it is helping you in the least.