Ezekiel 21 Destroy the Righteous Along With the Wicked

[Episkopos]

if you see yourself truly, you have to love them rather than get angry with them, because you see you are the same as them. You can't get mad at their selfishness if you see you have selfishness too. To condemn them and not forgive would be to condemn yourself.

yes. To grow you need to see yourself as a "we" (part of the body of Christ) not an "I'. That way you are on a team. We are members one of another. If one member is brought down....so are you. If one member is exalted...so are you.

And since this is going the right way...it also helps with humility. So if you move forward...it is not just for you. It is meant to share.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well, you have brought me to tears. I have so long desired to find a place where men walk in the Spirit together. Where they share all things. Where there is not bitter divisiveness. Where they truly ARE one body. I have not found that place. Maybe I am the reason I haven't found it. I don't know. I have found it sometimes when I read an old saints writing...I don't want to find men who are perfect. I want to find...His body. Ah, I'm just being a silly and tearful woman, sorry.

 

[bbyrd009]

It is better to live among the righteous in the saved nations than to be rejected into the wilderness.

ah, what nations are those Epi

I think Ezekiel uses "righteous" pertaining to those wicked who impeccably keep the law.

^ me too

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The nation's in which there is still some death but most men do not die young but outlive the work of their hands, and still some disputes, but no war. Jesus mediates. And then satan is released once more.

 

[bbyrd009]

ok, and which nation is that? Give an example if you would maybe, ty

To grow you need to see yourself as a "we" (part of the body of Christ) not an "I'. That way you are on a team. We are members one of another. If one member is brought down....so are you. If one member is exalted...so are you.

what i dislike here if anything would be how it will get put with the "pick the right nation" thing, and before you know it you are expressing the kingdom in the Hegelian dialectic. i do get your point at "team," but unfortunately that is a very divisive word also. Imo "body" is used precisely bc there is no body per se

 

[Episkopos]

ah, what nations are those Epi
^ me too

The saved nations in the new earth. It's all in Revelation.

 

[Episkopos]

ok, and which nation is that? Give an example if you would maybe, ty
what i dislike here if anything would be how it will get put with the "pick the right nation" thing, and before you know it you are expressing the kingdom in the Hegelian dialectic. i do get your point at "team," but unfortunately that is a very divisive word also. Imo "body" is used precisely bc there is no body per se

I don't understand most of your post....but I stand by the team analogy. Not everyone has the same gift or position...but all work together to move the ball forward.

 

[Episkopos]

ok, and which nation is that? Give an example if you would maybe, ty

I haven't a clue as to what the nations will be called. Will there be one language for all? We'll have to wait and see.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And any nation that does not go up to Jerusalem at the feasts will receive no rain.

But epi, how would this be the new earth if there is still death and disputes?

 

[bbyrd009]

oops

I haven't a clue as to what the nations will be called. Will there be one language for all? We'll have to wait and see.

ok, go ahead and wait if you like; for as long as you want. When we all get to heaven what a day of rejoicing that will be

Also up there, seems like "wilderness" is made into a punishment or a bad thing, somehow, wilderness is suddenly something to be avoided now in your pov, seems like?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And any nation that does not go up to Jerusalem at the feasts will receive no rain.

But epi, how would this be the new earth if there is still death and disputes?

And on the new earth, to me, is after the 1000 year reign, because on the new earth, will there still be death and disputes? No war is an improvement, but disputes and some death?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I truly do believe if it seems not to fit, that we are most often trying to make it all fit into one timeframe and one event. And this was what the disciples tried to do oftentimes also.

Too many verses cannot flow together. For instance, some talk of the wicked being removed and others of the righteous being removed. So which is it? And why does Revelation have 2 reapings of the earth, the first by the one who sits on the cloud and the 2nd by an angel, which sounds bad to be part of?

I think they are separated by time, just as was the portion of Isaiah Jesus stood up to read.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think the first reaping ties into: and pray that you will be counted worthy to escape the time of testing coming on the whole world to test its people.

i think the 2nd reaping is sometime later.

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't understand most of your post

sorry, i reviewed, and "Hegelian Dialectic" is the only hiccup possible in my sight there, so you'll have to say what you don't get

 

[Episkopos]

oops
ok, go ahead and wait if you like; for as long as you want. When we all get to heaven what a day of rejoicing that will be

Also up there, seems like "wilderness" is made into a punishment or a bad thing, somehow, wilderness is suddenly something to be avoided now in your pov, seems like?

Yes...a vessel of dishonour. Not a good thing.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I didn't get it either.

 

[bbyrd009]

I truly do believe if it seems not to fit, that we are most often trying to make it all fit into one timeframe and one event. And this was what the disciples tried to do oftentimes also.

Too many verses cannot flow together. For instance, some talk of the wicked being removed and others of the righteous being removed. So which is it? And why does Revelation have 2 reapings of the earth, the first by the one who sits on the cloud and the 2nd by an angel, which sounds bad to be part of?

I think they are separated by time, just as was the portion of Isaiah Jesus stood up to read.

you might try putting it all in now.
Understand I AM and all that.
seems weird at first, but we are used to reading from a single perspective, right; our own?
so, they are separated by time in any single perspective,
but from every perspective every facet is happening somewhere right now iow,
is i think how that goes

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Post removed and replaced with an apology to Bbyrd for my unkind words to him.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes...a vessel of dishonour. Not a good thing.

well, i agree that this is a valid perspective, but i'm not sure it is God's perspective, i mean, the Exodus? Christ being driven into the wilderness, pre-what believers usually refer to as His dishonor, iow?

 

[Episkopos]

well, i agree that this is a valid perspective, but i'm not sure it is God's perspective, i mean, the Exodus? Christ being driven into the wilderness, pre-what believers usually refer to as His dishonor, iow?

How many that walked in the wilderness died there? Never to enter the promised land? This gives you an idea of an eternal destiny of those who are not dead in the lake of fire...not in the kingdom of God either...but are wanderers in the wilderness forever.