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[amadeus]

The best way to visit Christendom and learn from the Church is through their creeds.

Do we want to visit Christendom, whatever that is, or do we want to visit God? I am not saying there is nothing ever worthwhile to learn from such visits to churches and their established doctrines or creeds , but is there not a better way and/or a better place to encounter truth? What do we suppose we could learn about God as a student in a public school today? How much about the ways of men do we need to know to move toward God?

 

[Taken]

And creeds are books full of vast amounts of learning.

No Dave. Creeds are not Learning. Learning is an action men may or may not do.

Creeds are a system of beliefs laid out.

Those who choose to adhere to A Creed, do so by attesting to Believe ALL that the Creed says.

That is YOUR choice to attest to and yeild to and believe in any man-made Creed, YOU choose to do.

I am quite capable of speaking for myself.

I happen to think learning is a good thing.

So? That is not unique to anyone else on this forum.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amadeus]

I've said several times creeds and books are man made. But if the trinity doctrine is true, it is scriptural, having support from scripture.

But what if it is not true? There is scriptural support for that as well, is there not?

 

[bbyrd009]

You cannot judge a creed before first reading it.

that is obvious Dave, what is not is why you tagged me to say this wadr; it in no way addresses my last post

 

[Jane_Doe22]

As I said, the only creeds that have stood the test of time completely are the Ecumenical Creeds. All of the other creeds incorporate these. But over time some of the denominationally biased creeds needed correction. I agree with all of the Reformed Creeds except for infant baptism. Church/State consolidation. And in the Westminster, their permitting divorce and remarriage. But I treasure these and other creeds where I think they hold true.

So....

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: ____???_______???_______

You need to know what the bible says first. Then evaluate the creeds.

And as I asked before: what if someone does that and upon study/prayer comes to the conclusion that these manmade documents are wrong?



I am getting extremely frustrated here with my questions continually not being answered. I'm trying to understand your own logic, but you're making me absolutely pull teeth to do it. Please just answer the question rather than continually d

 

[bbyrd009]

So....

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: ____???_______???_______


And as I asked before: what if someone does that and upon study/prayer comes to the conclusion that these manmade documents are wrong?



I am getting extremely frustrated here with my questions continually not being answered. I'm trying to understand your own logic, but you're making me absolutely pull teeth to do it. Please just answer the question rather than continually d

and best of luck to you there, ok
if you can get a pertinent reply i guess you will be the first

 

[Taken]

Why did God create us?

In brief:

For His Pleasure
For His Glory
For His Inheritance

See if you agree with any of the creeds.

Dave, what don't you get?

I don't CARE what "your" approved CREEDS say.

I am fully content IN what Thee "Lord God Almighty" has "approved". They already have a TITLE, called "Gods Word".

You can take your CREEDS and gobble them up until you are full and content....
That is YOUR Choice.

I am content with Gods Word FILLING ME, and very content with the Consequences Thereof.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jane_Doe22]

and best of luck to you there, ok
if you can get a pertinent reply i guess you will be the first

I just don't get why some people have to make conversations so hard. It makes me want to throw my hands up in the air and shout "I want to understand what YOU believe and I'm asking YOU. Why can't YOU just answer about what YOU believe?" After a while even I (Miss-way-too-stubbern) give up because it seems the person themselves either doesn't know the answer or/and refuses to engage in real conversation. I can't make a person think or engage in real conversation, and it's pointless to try.

 

[farouk]

I just don't get why some people have to make conversations so hard. It makes me want to throw my hands up in the air and shout "I want to understand what YOU believe and I'm asking YOU. Why can't YOU just answer about what YOU believe?" After a while even I (Miss-way-too-stubbern) give up because it seems the person themselves either doesn't know the answer or/and refuses to engage in real conversation. I can't make a person think or engage in real conversation, and it's pointless to try.

It's good for discussions to focus on Scripture rather than the constructions that church groups have placed upon it, right?

 

[farouk]

upon study/prayer

This is indeed the way for Christians - individually and collectively - to do Bible study.

 

[Taken]

But I treasure these and other creeds where I think they hold true.

Well there ya go Dave, by your own testimony
"CREEDS" are subject to "a mans thoughts for the man to pick and choose what the man himself AGREES with".

Gods Word has no wiggle room to pick and choose......It is ROCK solid.....It is something a man Fully Believes or He doesn't.....or the man is only fooling himself IF he attempts, with his own thoughts, to pick and choose what is true or not.

You favor creeds, then admittedly have to pick and choose, which parts you believe.

I favor Gods Word, and have no need to pick and choose. I trust ALL of Gods word IS absolute Truth.

By leaps and bounds I believe I have made a greater choice than you.

And no, I do not have an interest in directing my attention away from the Lords Perferred reading material, to Your preferred reading material.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jane_Doe22]

It's good for discussions to focus on Scripture rather than the constructions that church groups have placed upon it, right?

That depends on what the conversation is about / what the goals are.

If a person's goal are to discern Truth, prayer & scripture study are the way to go. Internet forums... not so much.

Speaking as for my goals asking @Dave L questions: that's because I want to better understand what @Dave L believes. I'm not asking about his beliefs to discern Truth-- I go to God for that, not @Dave L.

 

[farouk]

That depends on what the conversation is about / what the goals are.

If a person's goal are to discern Truth, prayer & scripture study are the way to go. Internet forums... not so much.

Speaking as for my goals asking @Dave L questions: that's because I want to better understand what @Dave L believes. I'm not asking about his beliefs to discern Truth-- I go to God for that, not @Dave L.

I see what you mean...

 

[Taken]

You cannot judge a creed before first reading it.

Of course one can not Judge the content of something without having knowledge of the text.

However men Can be discriminate and Choose to selecte one thing (Gods Word) over another thing (Man-made Creeds).

That just simply means the person has elected to Choose Gods Word, and chosen to NOT Consider man-made Creeds.

So, it is not about Judging the Creed, but rather dismissing it as necessary to consider.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dave L]

Of course one can not Judge the content of something without having knowledge of the text.

However men Can be discriminate and Choose to selecte one thing (Gods Word) over another thing (Man-made Creeds).

That just simply means the person has elected to Choose Gods Word, and chosen to NOT Consider man-made Creeds.

So, it is not about Judging the Creed, but rather dismissing it as necessary to consider.

Glory to God,
Taken

So learning is bad?

 

[Dave L]

Well there ya go Dave, by your own testimony
"CREEDS" are subject to "a mans thoughts for the man to pick and choose what the man himself AGREES with".

Gods Word has no wiggle room to pick and choose......It is ROCK solid.....It is something a man Fully Believes or He doesn't.....or the man is only fooling himself IF he attempts, with his own thoughts, to pick and choose what is true or not.

You favor creeds, then admittedly have to pick and choose, which parts you believe.

I favor Gods Word, and have no need to pick and choose. I trust ALL of Gods word IS absolute Truth.

By leaps and bounds I believe I have made a greater choice than you.

And no, I do not have an interest in directing my attention away from the Lords Perferred reading material, to Your preferred reading material.

Glory to God,
Taken

But God placed teachers in the church.

 

[Dave L]

So....

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: ____???_______???_______


And as I asked before: what if someone does that and upon study/prayer comes to the conclusion that these manmade documents are wrong?



I am getting extremely frustrated here with my questions continually not being answered. I'm trying to understand your own logic, but you're making me absolutely pull teeth to do it. Please just answer the question rather than continually d

I told you I find fault in all creeds except the Ecumenical Creeds. We agree but the debate lingers on........

 

[Dave L]

that is obvious Dave, what is not is why you tagged me to say this wadr; it in no way addresses my last post

that is obvious Dave, what is not is why you tagged me to say this wadr; it in no way addresses my last post

Could it be you are not addressing my answer?

 

[Dave L]

How bright is the person who rejects what God Himself has approved and instead gravitates to what the created has approved?

Glory to God,
Taken

But, God put teachers in the church.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I told you I find fault in all creeds except the Ecumenical Creeds. We agree but the debate lingers on........

Once again, you didn't answer a single one of my questions.

Jane asked: And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"? How does this compare to your rejection the Westminster Creed?
Dave answered: ____???_______???_______


And as I asked before: what if someone does that and upon study/prayer comes to the conclusion that these manmade documents are wrong?
Dave answered: ____???_______???_______


*****I am getting extremely frustrated here with my questions continually not being answered.*****
I'm trying to understand your own logic, but you're making me absolutely pull teeth to do it. Please just answer the question.