Books Outside the Bible

[BreadOfLife]

"Listen to me, I'm the pope, and kill whoever doesn't believe me".
Books outside the Bible are not doctrinal either, so quit Lying!

You need psychiatric help . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

NO translatiom of Scripture.

The modern day idea that Mary had other children has ZERO basis in Scripture, linguistics or history.

Not only is there not ONEsingle extrabiblical orapocryphal document that makes this claim – Your Protestant Fathers were UNANIMOUS in their rejection this idea.

The myth of Mary having “other” children was simply another way of further divorcing oneself from the Catholic Church and had NO basis in reality.

We didn't need myths of Mary to divorce ourselves from the romanist church.
The subject at hand never entered my mind when I left the church.
The church was simply dry, not even remotely close to a Holy Spirit revival, which should be taking place everyday.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, "FROM Christ the Head THROUGH the [Catholic] Church..." Both are necessary according to your church doctrine.

"Catholic dogma is...that outside the [Catholic] Church there is no salvation."

“No one can have God as Father who does not have the [Catholic] Church as Mother” (St. Cyprian, De unit. 6: PL 4, 519)

How can you possibly spin this to mean anything other than what it says???

Cyprian of Carthage wrote this in the THIRD century. That's about 100 years BEFORE you anti Catholics say the Catholic Church was founded . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

You need psychiatric help . . .

I get psychiatric help for another reason.
See?
I'm not afraid of telling the truth, so quit calling me a liar!

 

[BreadOfLife]

We didn't need myths of Mary to divorce ourselves from the romanist church.
The subject at hand never entered my mind when I left the church.
The church was simply dry, not even remotely close to a Holy Spirit revival, which should be taking place everyday.

Ahhhh, yes, "revival".
Another word NOT found in Scripture . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Cyprian of Carthage wrote this in the THIRD century. That's about 100 years BEFORE you anti Catholics say the Catholic Church was founded . . .

Cyprian of Carthage was not referring to the romanist church.
Any Christian knows that the church are the people who belong to Jesus Christ, not some organization.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Ahhhh, yes, "revival".
Another word NOT found in Scripture . . .

Nor does it seem to be found in your vocabulary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I get psychiatric help for another reason.
See?
I'm not afraid of telling the truth, so quit calling me a liar!

I didn't call you a "liar" . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I didn't call you a "liar" . . .

Please, lol, I'm falling over.....
You've been calling me a liar ever since the day I started calling you Breadman (see, I still capitalize the "B", out of respect.)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Please, lol, I'm falling over.....
You've been calling me a liar ever since the day I started calling you Breadman (see, I still capitalize the "B", out of respect.)

Then, either show me the post or admit that you made it up . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

LOL, you funny.
You live in a fantasy world.

 

[CoreIssue]

NO translatiom of Scripture.

The modern day idea that Mary had other children has ZERO basis in Scripture, linguistics or history.

Not only is there not ONEsingle extrabiblical orapocryphal document that makes this claim – Your Protestant Fathers were UNANIMOUS in their rejection this idea.

The myth of Mary having “other” children was simply another way of further divorcing oneself from the Catholic Church and had NO basis in reality.

Yep, your source is roman Catholicism.

How surprising....not.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Rollo, don't get a big head. He calls just about everyone who disagrees with him a liar (or at least implies it).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Cyprian of Carthage was not referring to the romanist church.
Any Christian knows that the church are the people who belong to Jesus Christ, not some organization.

Right.
He was talking about the CATHOLIC Church . . .

Cyprian of Carthage
"They who have not peace themselves now offer peace to others. They who have withdrawn from the Church promise to lead back and to recall the lapsed to the Church. There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one Chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewehre is scattering." (Cyprian, Letter 43 (40), 5, c. AD 251)

"With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal Church at Rome, in which sacerdotal unity has its source; nor did they take thought that these are Romans, whose faith was praised by the preaching Apostle, and among whom it is not possible for perfidy to have entrance." (Cyprian, Letter 59 (55), 14 to Cornelius of Rome, c. AD 252)

For the Church, which is One and Catholic, is not split nor divided, but is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere one to another." (Cyprian, Letter 66 (69), 8 to Florentius Pupianus, c. AD 254)

You messed with the WRONG Catholic . . .

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Cyprian of Carthage wrote this in the THIRD century. That's about 100 years BEFORE you anti Catholics say the Catholic Church was founded . . .

Why does it matter when it was written or who wrote it? It's part of Catholic doctrine now.

 

[CoreIssue]

The really important thing here is the catholic church did not exist in the bible. None of the apostles even hinted at the pope, hierarchy beyond the local congregation and the distinctively catholic doctrines.

The Asia in that part of the world was dominantly pagan and the carried into the thinking of the so called church fathers.

The Plain Truth about the Roman Catholic Church

It was solidly political from the beginning.

What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church?

I bought this book back to the 1970s, it is a long and fascinating read. Tons of accurate information.

Eerdmans' Handbook to The History of Christianity
https://www.amazon.com/Eerdmans-Handbook-History-Christianity-Dowley/dp/0802834507

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Core, thanks for the links. Here's some interesting trivia for you. I figured out why BoL objects when someone calls his church the "Roman Catholic Church." The Eastern Orthodox Church maintains that they excommunicated Rome, so they started calling them "Roman Catholic." The EO believe that they are the true Catholic Church.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Rollo, don't get a big head. He calls just about everyone who disagrees with him a liar (or at least implies it).

Who are you?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Right.
He was talking about the CATHOLIC Church . . .

Cyprian of Carthage
"They who have not peace themselves now offer peace to others. They who have withdrawn from the Church promise to lead back and to recall the lapsed to the Church. There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one Chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewehre is scattering." (Cyprian, Letter 43 (40), 5, c. AD 251)

"With a false bishop appointed for themselves by heretics, they dare even to set sail and carry letters from schismatics and blasphemers to the chair of Peter and to the principal Church at Rome, in which sacerdotal unity has its source; nor did they take thought that these are Romans, whose faith was praised by the preaching Apostle, and among whom it is not possible for perfidy to have entrance." (Cyprian, Letter 59 (55), 14 to Cornelius of Rome, c. AD 252)

For the Church, which is One and Catholic, is not split nor divided, but is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere one to another." (Cyprian, Letter 66 (69), 8 to Florentius Pupianus, c. AD 254)

You messed with the WRONG Catholic . . .

It seems prayerwarrior is ordering me to leave you alone.
It figures you can't stand on your own two feet.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

It seems prayerwarrior is ordering me to leave you alone.
It figures you can't stand on your own two feet.

No, Rollo, I was joking. I wasn't telling you to leave him alone.