Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[bbyrd009]

Works can not elevate someone... The best you can hope for is a well done good and faithful servant.

strikes me as avoiding the point, but ok, go with that if you want
you don't have to answer my Q

btw you believe you're going to heaven after you die, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

wiggle, wiggle

 

[Phoneman777]

Of course, if the tree is not bearing fruit yet because it is not yet time, it is still a tree according to its kind.

Thus salvation is through faith alone (an apple tree is still an apple tree even without its fruit being evident). It is only when it becomes the time for bearing fruit that the tree is in danger if it doesn't (see Luke 13:6-9).

Yes, God is patient with us all and is why we are not to judge anyone's eternal destiny. However, on Judgment Day, we are all going to be judged by our works - "they that have done good unto the resurrection of life and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation".

 

[lforrest]

strikes me as avoiding the point, but ok, go with that if you want
you don't have to answer my Q

btw you believe you're going to heaven after you die, right?

I responded to your solitary post, there was no question in it.

As for if I go to heaven after I die, I would say no one but Jesus and those who were raised by him went to heaven after they died physically. In the new covenant people go to heaven before they physically die, so they will never die if we consider things after the Spirit.

 

[Taken]

At the moment you were born-again …
you were only forgiven of the sins you had committed up to that point in time!

Thereafter.... you, specifically (who is born again). Can NOT SIN ANYMORE.

1 John 3:9

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

How can Jesus be both God and man at the same time?

How can a man be both a father and a son at the same time?



God Bless,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, God is patient with us all and is why we are not to judge anyone's eternal destiny. However, on Judgment Day, we are all going to be judged by our works - "they that have done good unto the resurrection of life and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation".

Everyone has done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10, etc.). Will everyone, therefore, be resurrected unto damnation?

 

[CoreIssue]

Everyone has done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10, etc.). Will everyone, therefore, be resurrected unto damnation?

Saints that are in the first resurrection and judge for rewards. The damned in the second resurrection and are judge for punishment.

At least 1000 years spacing between the two events.

 

[bbyrd009]

and like that,
and like this andlikethat
and like this

How can a man be both a father and a son at the same time?



God Bless,
Taken

i guess the correct Q there would be "How can a son also be his own father?"
sry

 

[Taken]

and like that,
and like this andlikethat
and like this

i guess the correct Q there would be "How can a son also be his own father?"
sry

Marry his own stepMother...

 

[justbyfaith]

Saints that are in the first resurrection and judge for rewards. The damned in the second resurrection and are judge for punishment.

At least 1000 years spacing between the two events.

That wasn't my question.

 

[CoreIssue]

That wasn't my question.

Then what was it? Be clear please.

 

[amadeus]

Marry his own stepMother...

 

[Taken]

Yep, I know that one....tee hee...

God Bless,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

Then what was it? Be clear please.

Everyone has done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10). In light of this and the scripture in question, will everyone be raised to the resurrection of damnation?

I fear the the original point that I intended to make in asking this question will be lost, because of the fact that it was not speedily answered; but rather someone pretended not to understand the question or else was not intelligent enough to realize what it was.

To be clear, this question has to do with the fact that we are judged by our works. Since everyone has done evil, how will they be raised to the resurrection of life? Those who have done evil will be raised to the resurrection of damnation. And we have all done evil.

Do you not see the problem?

I have an answer; but I wanted to draw out your answer in this discussion for the sake of those who might think that the fact that we are judged by our works could mean that we are saved by our works: which is not sound doctrine.

 

[CoreIssue]

 

[CoreIssue]

Everyone has done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10). In light of this and the scripture in question, will everyone be raised to the resurrection of damnation?

I fear the the original point that I intended to make in asking this question will be lost, because of the fact that it was not speedily answered; but rather someone pretended not to understand the question or else was not intelligent enough to realize what it was.

To be clear, this question has to do with the fact that we are judged by our works. Since everyone has done evil, how will they be raised to the resurrection of life? Those who have done evil will be raised to the resurrection of damnation. And we have all done evil.

Do you not see the problem?

I have an answer; but I wanted to draw out your answer in this discussion for the sake of those who might think that the fact that we are judged by our works could mean that we are saved by our works: which is not sound doctrine.

The saints will be raised at the first resurrection and be judged for rewards because Christ took all sins on him paid for them. So only good works are left.

The damned will be raised in the second resurrection at the white throne judgment judged for punishment. The old Egyptian concept of everything being weighed to see which outweighs the other is false.

It is not one event, but two, around 1000 years apart. The first during the tribulation. The second after the destruction of this heaven and earth.

There is no salvation by works.

 

[Phoneman777]

Everyone has done evil (Romans 3:10-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:10, etc.). Will everyone, therefore, be resurrected unto damnation?

Do you watch porn? Do you steal from anyone? Do you worship Satan? Do you bow down to Dead Bread's idols? Do you lie? (There's only Ten!)

If not, you've got Jesus living in your heart empowering you to do good. If so, you're going to have serious problems if you don't repent now and avoid the rush at Doomsday.

 

[CoreIssue]

Do you watch porn? Do you steal from anyone? Do you worship Satan? Do you bow down to Dead Bread's idols? Do you lie? (There's only Ten!)

If not, you've got Jesus living in your heart empowering you to do good. If so, you're going to have serious problems if you don't repent now and avoid the rush at Doomsday.

You forgot is a equally important issue. If the reason is legalism, that is also a sin.

 

[Jun2u]

well, the whole world's sins have been redeemed and paid for, so...

Not quite. If Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then no one can be put to hell, yet Scripture declares hell will heavily be populated. Jesus redeemed and paid for the sins of all born-again believers only (Matthew 1:21).

so "salvation" here becomes a switch that gets thrown when one holds the correct beliefs in their minds, and if one makes the correct noises with their mouth they can get "saved." forever. The implication being that they will then go somewhere special or different after they have literally died, right?

It is not the belief rather the "trust" that I hold God will finish the work He started to save me. And, yes a born-again believer goes to be with the Lord after death (2 Corinthians 5:8).

To God Be The Glory