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Dave L

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This I have done.

Have I not given you all of the prophets of old who did not prove with scripture, and also the prophecy of Joel which was confirmed by Peter...all of which is in the scriptures?

But now you act as if I have not, therefore the burden is on you who cannot prove otherwise.
So you are in league with Elijah?
 

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Jesus healed people. WOF kills people, and it's not their fault. It is a faulty message.

I explained what is taught. It is just you don't understand the message. That's no ones fault but your own. It's not hard.
 

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Jesus' message didn't kill people. WOF does.

Hagin's message regarding rhemas don't kill people either. You just don't know any better than to think it does. You show no understanding, or even capability to understand. Do you even care to know about rhemas? Or just plead ignorance.
 

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Again, I would not be following Christ to believe anything not originating in scripture.
That is not biblical and without precedence, for the prophets of old did not confirm through the scriptures.

If you mean to "test every spirit", then by all means do so. But if you do so against the scriptures regarding the precedence set in the prophets, then it is you yourself who is doing so without the scriptures and by a contrary spirit.
 
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Hagin's message regarding rhemas don't kill people either. You just don't know any better than to think it does. You show no understanding, or even capability to understand.
We have many corpses Jesus or the disciples never had, in the wake of the WOF movement.

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10) (KJV 1900)
 
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That is not biblical and without precedence, for the prophets of old did not confirm through the scriptures.

If you mean to "test every spirit", then by all means do so. But if you do so against the scriptures regarding the precedence set in the prophets, then it is you yourself who is doing so without the scriptures and by a contrary spirit.
There are no prophets beyond the writings of the NT. All prophecy today is false.
 
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We still need scriptural support to verify your experience.
No, you do not. Nor do you need to believe it.

Nonetheless, I have given you everything you have asked for - proof from the scriptures, and still you question me after including my witness as being consistent with those witnesses given in the scriptures.
 
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We have many corpses Jesus or the disciples never had, in the wake of the WOF movement.

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10) (KJV 1900)

Oh, but that you actually believed enough to receive that abundance!

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
 
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Oh, but that you actually believed enough to receive that abundance!

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Just sayin' there are many dead people and the number growing in the WOF movement. this doesn't square with scripture. Something must be drastically wrong with your claims.
 
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And the earth is flat.

See, I can make silly statements too! :)
You must prove from scripture the gifts continued beyond the apostles. Only an apostle could distribute the charismatic gifts beyond the two outpourings.
 

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There are no prophets beyond the writings of the NT. All prophecy today is false.
Hear, hear, all you who love the Lord!

For here is a confession of one who speaks against the apostle Paul, the Lords anointed, who clearly documented in the scriptures that "some are prophets" during these times. Ephesians 4:11
 

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You must prove from scripture the gifts continued beyond the apostles. Only an apostle could distribute the charismatic gifts beyond the two outpourings.
And...where did you get that?

Prove it with scripture, or retract it.
 
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Just sayin' there are many dead people and growing in the WOF movement the NT doesn't square with scripture. Something must be drastically wrong with your claims.

Scripture does when coupled with a RHEMA. Why is this still so hard for you to understand? And that is what Hagin taught.

I suspect you believe supernatural healing ended with the apostles. You seem to have more unbelief than belief.
 

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You must prove from scripture the gifts continued beyond the apostles. Only an apostle could distribute the charismatic gifts beyond the two outpourings.

And the earth is still flat. Your theology is very flawed and full of ignorant suppositions. This is why Jesus called the age of the Reformation the dead church.

God is the Healer. He is not subject to the apostles or anyone.
 
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“but without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.” (Philemon 14) (KJV 1900)

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13) (KJV 1900)
Willingly means the same as free will. In fact in some versions it says that he didn't want to go against Philemon's free will.

It's in the O.T.
Deuteronomy
Joshua
even free will offerings.

BUT, like I said before, I won't argue this with you because, as I said, how do you argue with someone who believes that GOD MAKES him WANT to do what he wants to do???

I'll only say this regarding the 3 points of the tulip that you agree with.
They're ALL wrong.
Sorry. But this could be for a different thread.
 
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Hagin's message regarding rhemas don't kill people either. You just don't know any better than to think it does. You show no understanding, or even capability to understand. Do you even care to know about rhemas? Or just plead ignorance.
I agree with Dave L here.
HOW do you know when you're hearing the RHEMA, and when you're hearing your own voice?

I think you're very lucky to know the difference so well; not putting you down for it.
I just think some persons don't know the difference and it CAN be dangerous.

Also, I don't care for WoF because when someone does NOT get healed, somehow or other it's THEIR fault -- not enough faith,,,some sin,,,didn't pray properly,,,etc.

So we go from everything being God's fault ...calvinism
to everything being our fault...WoF

Funny stuff.
 

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And...where did you get that?

Prove it with scripture, or retract it.
Well, Scott, if you're right and insist that all the gifts went beyond the Apostles, then we should be confessing our sins to someone here on earth since Jesus passed this authority on to the Apostles in John 20:23.

I'm not saying I don't think the gifts are for today...I know they are.
But I think we can't have it both ways and should think out everything carefully.