How does God lead?

[1stCenturyLady]

Tongues = glass darkly; Scripture = face to face.

Unless you don't believe in the second coming, scripture is not face to face. Face to face is face to face.

Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

 

[Dave L]

Unless you don't believe in the second coming, scripture is not face to face. Face to face is face to face.

Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

Jesus is the Word of God. We see him face to face in scripture. His words are Spirit and they are life.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus is the Word of God. We see him face to face in scripture. His words are Spirit and they are life.

So you know what He looks like? You know what color His eyes are. God knows those things about us, but we don't know those things about Him. Our picture of Him is dim like looking into a dark glass. Surely you know the difference. We do NOT know God as He knows us, because none of that is in scripture. You are equating things to other things that are totally unrelated. You are building on sand, to say nothing of allowing your brain to turn off when you are being taught by false teachers. Stop defending and agreeing with false teaching! They come to steal from you, just as their father the devil does. That's why the false teachers twisted scripture to say something it doesn't even come close to saying.

Tongues wasn't even used for writing scripture, but for prayer. Are we not to pray because the letters were published? What do you have against speaking in tongues that you are so set on believing it doesn't exist?

 

[ScottA]

So, IOW, you AGREE with me that we should adhere only to what the scriptures say?

In post no. 336, you said:
That doesn't work - not because it is not in the scriptures...but because you have contradicted the scriptures.

I fear you're getting this conversation all mixed up.
How did I contradict scripture if I said the Mary dogmas don't work because they're not scriptural?

So do you agree that revelation ends with the N.T. and Jesus, or do you believe popes could make up new revelation??

No, apparently you don't understand. Agreeing with the scriptures and limiting God's means and timing of revelations, are two different things.

So, yes, I agree that all needs to agree with the scriptures...but every revelation from God is not a quote from before. And don't misunderstand again. I did not say that He does not tell us before. It's just that it's not always something quoted from the scriptures. That would be against the scriptures...and you still haven't reconciled your God-limiting rule with His declaring that He would pour out His spirit upon all flesh, and some would prophecy.

Reconcile that first.

 

[ScottA]

What new revelation have you heard that is not "personal revelation" or about Israel? I do believe the revelation about the paradigms regarding Trump could be considered new revelation, or actually old revelation repeating itself. What do you think?

How on-topic of you! :)

If we pick up where Paul left off in his "pressing on toward the prize" and "leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ", then we would now be walking in sunshine, in the glory of God. The majority would not be returning to those elementary principles generation after generation, but this is the way of men. Nonetheless, the unpopular truth which men reject, is preached unto the end.

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA should believe all the NEW revelation since it is given by the Holy Spirit...
Thus...he should believe in all the Mary dogma, as I've stated before.

Why would @ScottA believe SOME prophecy and not other prophecy...what would he base his belief on???

You dis' me.

Do you think I do not know and refer to the scriptures discerning every word in spirit, or that I do not test every spirit?

How do you think I am dealing with you?

 

[ScottA]

You seem to like Acts 2:17...
What about Revelation 22:18-19 ?

What about it?

Both are true...just not as you are understanding it. If the scriptures "must be discerned spiritually", can every word from God be written in the pages of the book? And yet, by claiming that they are - it is you who have both "added to" and "taken away."

Even so, while you earn your curses, I have told you the truth, while you scorn those who come to your aid.

 

[ScottA]

I do believe that the roles of prophet differ between New and Old Testaments. We have the "final" Revelation of Jesus Christ, and there is no more to tell as far as what is to come in the future. JMHO :)

John 16:12
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

1 Corinthians 13:12
"For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known."

John 10:27
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."

...If what you say were true, words should be able to completely describe God. Surely, silence, is not true of Him. That's just wrong.

 

[ScottA]

But Paul said the gifts would end when the perfect came. Are the scriptures perfect? And do they do a far better job than the gifts ever did? I can prove they are better.

You are tripping over yourself.

You ask if the scriptures are perfect? - meaning only what is written. Yet it is God who is perfect, and He is spirit.

So...your understanding is completely off, as is your context. The written word is far from perfect, for it is a book of many parables...even according to the Word Himself, that the wicked should not understand it. Nonetheless, it is perfect for His purpose. Thus, it is He who inspired it who is perfect, He whom is not written on parchment, but He whom is spirit.

You have made an idol of created things, and deny Him in spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Tongues = glass darkly; Scripture = face to face.

And on that day of Pentecost...they handed our three thousand books, and the book was God!

Are you so foolish?

 

[Dave L]

And on that day of Pentecost...they handed our three thousand books, and the book was God!

Are you so foolish?

Tongues and interpretation = God's word along with prophecy. Some in every group received these gifts through an apostle's hands. But the information was in bits and pieces. Eventually, all the bits and pieces were written down and came together in the full revelation we call the NT. It was God's perfect word and the gifts then expired with the apostles, having served their purpose.

 

[Dave L]

You are tripping over yourself.

You ask if the scriptures are perfect? - meaning only what is written. Yet it is God who is perfect, and He is spirit.

So...your understanding is completely off, as is your context. The written word is far from perfect, for it is a book of many parables...even according to the Word Himself, that the wicked should not understand it. Nonetheless, it is perfect for His purpose. Thus, it is He who inspired it who is perfect, He whom is not written on parchment, but He whom is spirit.

You have made an idol of created things, and deny Him in spirit.

If you do not believe God's word is perfect, it helps me understand where you are coming from.

 

[Dave L]

So you know what He looks like? You know what color His eyes are. God knows those things about us, but we don't know those things about Him. Our picture of Him is dim like looking into a dark glass. Surely you know the difference. We do NOT know God as He knows us, because none of that is in scripture. You are equating things to other things that are totally unrelated. You are building on sand, to say nothing of allowing your brain to turn off when you are being taught by false teachers. Stop defending and agreeing with false teaching! They come to steal from you, just as their father the devil does. That's why the false teachers twisted scripture to say something it doesn't even come close to saying.

Tongues wasn't even used for writing scripture, but for prayer. Are we not to pray because the letters were published? What do you have against speaking in tongues that you are so set on believing it doesn't exist?

Do you believe John wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ? Paul told us to come behind in no gift until then.

“so that you do not lack any spiritual gift as you wait for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 1:7) (NET)

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you saying you believe that only the Old Testament had prophets? What about New Testament prophets?

Ephesians 4:
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Prophet: One who speaks the word of God.
The OT prophets and Jesus, the last of the O.T. prophets spoke the WORD OF GOD, and made known ALL revelation, including, of course, new revelation.

For instance, we know that God is merciful based on O.T. prophets...
We know that Jesus will return at the end of the age based on what HE said in the N.T.

There can be NO NEW REVELATION....
Anything any prophet says MUST BE BASED on scripture.
There is no new scripture ALLOWED...

Do you not agree with this?
If not, why not?

 

[GodsGrace]

I do believe that the roles of prophet differ between New and Old Testaments. We have the "final" Revelation of Jesus Christ, and there is no more to tell as far as what is to come in the future. JMHO :)

AMEN!

You understood!
So it's not me...

 

[GodsGrace]

No, apparently you don't understand. Agreeing with the scriptures and limiting God's means and timing of revelations, are two different things.

So, yes, I agree that all needs to agree with the scriptures...but every revelation from God is not a quote from before. And don't misunderstand again. I did not say that He does not tell us before. It's just that it's not always something quoted from the scriptures. That would be against the scriptures...and you still haven't reconciled your God-limiting rule with His declaring that He would pour out His spirit upon all flesh, and some would prophecy.

Reconcile that first.

What do I need to reconcile?
How am I limiting God? That's insulting to me. God can do whatever HE wants to do. He just doesn't have to advise YOU of it.
What can He do that He has not advised us of? Is there a reason why He wouldn't want us to know?
What does He tell us today that is not from scripture?
What is NEW, in your opinion?

 

[GodsGrace]

You dis' me.

Do you think I do not know and refer to the scriptures discerning every word in spirit, or that I do not test every spirit?

How do you think I am dealing with you?

Well, apparently you're saying that we could make up new revelation and that it should be believed.

So how's about believing the Mary dogmas??
THEY are new revelation...

 

[GodsGrace]

What about it?

Both are true...just not as you are understanding it. If the scriptures "must be discerned spiritually", can every word from God be written in the pages of the book? And yet, by claiming that they are - it is you who have both "added to" and "taken away."

Even so, while you earn your curses, I have told you the truth, while you scorn those who come to your aid.

Thanks, but the aid I need comes from God, not from man who speaks past me without even listening to what I'm saying.

 

[Nancy]

John 16:12
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now."

1 Corinthians 13:12
"For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known."

John 10:27
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."

...If what you say were true, words should be able to completely describe God. Surely, silence, is not true of Him. That's just wrong.

2 Peter 1:3 "We have everything we need to live a life that pleases God. It was all given to us by God's own power, when we learned he had invited us to share in his wonderful goodness."

I think what is in question here is that yes, God does still speak to us He commands that NOTHING ever be added or taken away from the foretelling of what will come to pass. He already gave us all we need to know. Prophesying about things to come that are outside the Word of God go against His command to add or take away anything concerning "things to come".

 

[bbyrd009]

Thanks, but the aid I need comes from God, not from man who speaks past me without even listening to what I'm saying.

he who has an EAR, let him HEAR


kinda takes on a whole new meaning huh lol