“And the earth was without form, and void”

[Helen]

My posts are actually easier to read the yours.

You pile a bunch of things at the bottom of a response and we have to go back up and match what you're saying to what you're responding to. And it's all in the same font size ect. That is hard to follow.

As well, you're the only one having a problem.

Whatever.
Did you actually LOOK AT the two posts I mentioned?
Obviously not. If you had you would have noticed that they were hidden under whoever you were quoting.

I was just trying to help. But obviously you don't care.
So be it.

 

[CoreIssue]

Jeremiah describes future events connected to the wrath of God and the Day of the LORD. It would appear to be conditions immediately AFTER the Great Tribulation and before the Second Coming of Christ. Please note:

CATCYLSMIC COSMIC EVENTS BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST

... and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly... For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black... (Jer 4:21-28)

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken... (Mt 24:29)

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)

Still not reading the link I provided are you?

Read more carefully. Jeremiah said he is looking back, not forward. This is pre-adamic between Gen 1:1 and to 2.

From the six days to the end of time there will never be a time when there are no people, animals, birds, etc as described by Jeremiah.

Read the link.

 

[CoreIssue]

Whatever.
Did you actually LOOK AT the two posts I mentioned?
Obviously not. If you had you would have noticed that they were hidden under whoever you were quoting.

I was just trying to help. But obviously you don't care.
So be it.

That is a function of the forum software. It collapses longer posts and you have to click the " click to expand" tab to see the full post.

You should be concerned that if you have not been doing this you are missing a lot.

 

[bbyrd009]

You should be concerned that if you have not been doing this you are missing a lot.

As well, you're the only one having a problem.

not true, what you are doing is making it impossible to quote you or follow a convo back, although i get the wanting to reply to snippets. So highlight them and hit "quote" as you go , or even "reply" to the whole post and manually enter close quote and reply after that and then copy/paste a quote header right below your reply or something, but don't doubt that you have the prob here wadr ok, and we are just tolerating you being willful

no, i am not going to try to decipher which line is yours in someone else's quote, that's what quote and reply are for. Now i can accidentally quote them saying stuff you really said, and etc, if i can even decipher who is who

 

[bbyrd009]

Any input on Jeremiah 4:21-28?

So were you thinking of the Gap Theory, or something like that?

i've seen that used as justification for the concept of "and the earth became void" in Genesis, which is a possible acceptable translation there i guess

 

[CoreIssue]

Thank you. I did read your commentary and, honestly, I don’t see how it could be before Adam. (If I understood you correctly).

Mostly because God’s Spirit moved and created in the beginning. In Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord , and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah was looking back in time not forward.

From the six days until the end of time there are always animals and people. But Jeremiah said there were none. So it is not future.

 

[CoreIssue]

not true, what you are doing is making it impossible to quote you or follow a convo back, although i get the wanting to reply to snippets. So highlight them and hit "quote" as you go , or even "reply" to the whole post and manually enter close quote and reply after that and then copy/paste a quote header right below your reply or something, but don't doubt that you have the prob here wadr ok, and we are just tolerating you being willful

no, i am not going to try to decipher which line is yours in someone else's quote, that's what quote and reply are for. Now i can accidentally quote them saying stuff you really said, and etc, if i can even decipher who is who

The problem is the administrators had not enabled nested quotes, which would totally eliminate all these issues.

 

[bbyrd009]

The problem is

the administrators had not enabled nested quotes

which would totally eliminate all these issues.

i just nested all three of these via the software

nesting just works diff in Xenforo, highlight/quote for multiples or highlight/reply for a single i guess

 

[CoreIssue]

i just nested all three of these via the software

nesting just works diff in Xenforo, highlight/quote for multiples or highlight/reply for a single i guess

I have used Xenforo that since it came out, so don't try to tell me how it works,

You are talking about multi-quote, not nested quotes.

Here is what nested quotes looks like on Xenforo
Nested quotes

I can also one click quote within a post.

 

[Enoch111]

If the Jeremiah quote alludes to the time before the second coming, and Jeremiahs description paints the picture of an earth empty of all living, how then do we get tribes mourning, and saints resurrected, as per NT accounts if they are of the same event and time?

Good question, and obviously we do not have all the answers. But the nature of events listed correspond in those passages, and that is all we can go by.

 

[CoreIssue]

Good question, and obviously we do not have all the answers. But the nature of events listed correspond in those passages, and that is all we can go by.

Because Jeremiah is not pre second coming, it is preadamic.

So change your we to you.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And they had no light.

This stood out for me also. I can’t say I fully understand your reply though.

So then, in the outward world, we return to a place BEFORE God brought His presence

This makes sense.

Violence has entered the world. The strong prey on the weak.

This also makes sense.

But that still, for me, doesn’t settle the question of the earth was waste and without form before God’s Spirit moved to create. And in Jeremiah the earth is (seen)waste and without form.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have used Xenforo that since it came out, so don't try to tell me how it works,

You are talking about multi-quote, not nested quotes.

Here is what nested quotes looks like on Xenforo
Nested quotes

I can also one click quote within a post.

oh, then ty God that the admin here turned that off imo. If you get multi-quotes then what is the prob?

 

[CoreIssue]

oh, then ty God that the admin here turned that off imo. If you get multi-quotes then what is the prob?

Nested quotes have to be enabled, they're not on the start with.

Multi quotes blends multiple posts together. It does not create a communications chain on a single point as nested quotes do. Does not keep the discussion together.

Some like them and some do not. But if you don't have it everyone has to choose how they will handle posting, which causes disagreement between posters, as we have here.

All I can say is I'm not changing how I post.

The big issue currently is people pack too much and too many issues in one post to properly respond.

I also note I use a minimally customized default style.. They use a totally customized style, which means it does not offer all the functionality of the default.

 

[Helen]

i just nested all three of these via the software

nesting just works diff in Xenforo, highlight/quote for multiples or highlight/reply for a single i guess

Don't even bother with him Mark... @CoreIssue is just a 'know it all', and a grumpy old man.
I tried, twice, but he is so sure of himself...and just blames the software .
Amazing how no one else 'quote like he does'...
Everyone else that has problems with quoting have been very happy to know how to do it correctly. :cool:

 

[CoreIssue]

Don't even bother with him Mark... @CoreIssue is just a 'know it all', and a grumpy old man.
I tried, twice, but he is so sure of himself...and just blames the software .
Amazinquote g how no one else 'quote like he does'...
Everyone else that has problems with quoting have been very happy to know how to do it correctly. :cool:

I know how you quote. That that that does not change the fact this site does not have nested quotes.

Nor does it mean I have to conform to what you want.

And a few similar to how I do.

Do you know how to use the expand tab now?

 

[Helen]

I know how you quote. That that that does not change the fact this site does not have nested quotes.

Nor does it mean I have to conform to what you want.

And a few similar to how I do.

Do you know how to use the expand tab now?

IGNORE
You are too grumpy and rude to bother with.

 

[CoreIssue]

IGNORE
You are too grumpy and rude to bother with.

You're the one that started with the criticisms, not me.

 

[Enoch111]

Because Jeremiah is not pre second coming, it is preadamic.

There is no such then as a preadamic or preadamite earth. Clarence Larkin promoted this theory but it is false.

JOHN GILL COMMENTARY
And the earth was without form, and void,.... It was not in the form it now is, otherwise it must have a form, as all matter has; it was a fluid matter, the watery parts were not separated from the earthy ones; it was not put into the form of a terraqueous globe it is now, the sea apart, and the earth by itself, but were mixed and blended together; it was, as both the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem paraphrase it, a waste and desert, empty and destitute of both men and beasts; and it may be added, of fishes and fowls, and also of trees, herbs, and plants...

 

[bbyrd009]

Multi quotes blends multiple posts together.

it can also do that, sure

It does not create a communications chain on a single point as nested quotes do.

but with a trackback button that is not necessary anyway, and sure reads a lot cleaner, at least imo