Calvinism is NOT a Cult!
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You don't admit yourself into places.... you get admitted into places. As in, God allows you in through His grace.
Psa 51:3, For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Where free will comes in is in concerning whether we can believe the gospel or not.
Who wrote this? David, someone who was already converted, who had already been changed by the power of the Spirit? Right....
With or without faith?
If with, then grace does not come before faith.
If without, then you are right, but Romans 5:2 is wrong.
Which one is it?
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Stubborn like a mule...I know that you see it but will not admit to it...just like a JW (makes me think of the thread title again...kind of defensive if you ask me).
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
Precisely. Now you’re getting it.
Exactly. Glad to see the wheels actually gaining traction and not just spinning in mud.
SovereignGrace
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No, because I don't believe it.
So, Sovereign Grace, how do you account for the fact that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand?
SovereignGrace
Certified Flunky
As I said before, Jesus gives us the key to the door as an act of sovereign grace. Through using this key on the door, we can enter through the door into the room we call grace. The grace of receiving the key means nothing if you don't enter in by the door; you won't be a partaker of all the grace God has for you...you will simply be holding a key in your hand. What great riches!
...But only if you use the key to the open the door to the mansion that God has given you that the key is the key to its door.
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SovereignGrace
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Wrong. If one has faith, they are justified. No one who has faith is not justified. We are justified by faith.
Preacher4Truth
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Show me the post where you asked me this in the past.
And for the record, my question to you was clear. So, that being said, before I answer you, after you show me where you asked this in the past, you need to demonstrate you understand my clear question to you.
In other words, I'm not answering you until you let me know you understand my question.
Here it is again: Romans 5:1-2 was contextually written to believers, not the lost world at large. Clear enough? Now answer yes or no, then I will answer your question after you prove you've asked it in the past.
No, according to Romans 10:9-10 a person can have faith but this will only produce righteousness, not salvation, if there is no confession.
Never mind, just ask me your questions again and then answer mine after I have answered yours. I don't want to go to the trouble of dredging it up (which is what you were counting on).
Preacher4Truth
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Nope. I want you to show me where you asked it in the past. No, I don't believe you.
Anyway, I gave the definition from the Greek word for access in a recent post; and it refutes your pov as far as I'm concerned.
Therefore, there is no reason to continue from my pov since it is a matter of stubbornness on your part and not your ignorance of the truth on the matter.
So, bye now.
Galatians 1:6-9 (kjv) and Romans 16:17 (kjv) and Proverbs 14:7 (kjv) tells me just to leave you alone.
Will let the blind be leaders of the blind from here on in.
Therefore, there is no reason to continue from my pov since it is a matter of stubbornness on your part and not your ignorance of the truth on the matter.
So, bye now.
Galatians 1:6-9 (kjv) and Romans 16:17 (kjv) and Proverbs 14:7 (kjv) tells me just to leave you alone.
Will let the blind be leaders of the blind from here on in.
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