Who is the Amen in the book of revelation, not revelations
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Who is claiming it is John saying "Amen"?
Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 1:8-19 seem clear to me that it is Jesus Christ who is talking with John on the island of Patmos and giving John what to write for the book.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
Revelation 1:8-19 "8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"
In Revelation 3:14, it is Jesus telling John what to write to the "angel of the church of Laodicea".
Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 1:8-19 seem clear to me that it is Jesus Christ who is talking with John on the island of Patmos and giving John what to write for the book.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
Revelation 1:8-19 "8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"
In Revelation 3:14, it is Jesus telling John what to write to the "angel of the church of Laodicea".
Im don’t wish to call any names, I just would like to know how this is perceived by other Christians.
Thanks for your response
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be aggressive with the "who" is making those claims, it's just that I've never heard it disputed before, and was interested in hearing more about those claims in case there is information I've never heard of or am overlooking.
Thanks for the conversation.
Well it should be obvious from the verse itself that claiming that John is saying "Amen" is totally nonsensical. Where to people come up with such nonsense?
tigger 2
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The one speaking at Rev. 3:14 continues to speak through Rev. 3:21: "21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." - NASB.
1stCenturyLady
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Amen means "so be it." He is also saying He is a true witness, and the chief of all God's creation.
`And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the chief of the creation of God;
The Amen is a confirmation.
`And to the messenger of the assembly of the Laodiceans write: These things saith the Amen, the witness -- the faithful and true -- the chief of the creation of God;
The Amen is a confirmation.
tigger 2
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"These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" - KJV.
The word for 'beginning' in 3:14 is 'arche.' John always used it for 'beginning.' See John 1:1,2; 2:11; 6:64; etc.
John always used archon for 'ruler/prince' and kephale for 'head.'
The word for 'beginning' in 3:14 is 'arche.' John always used it for 'beginning.' See John 1:1,2; 2:11; 6:64; etc.
John always used archon for 'ruler/prince' and kephale for 'head.'
Revelation 1:3 KJV
[3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Tecarta BibleEver notice that He says there is a blessing too he that reads and hears the words. This I think is unique. I don’t recall any other book claiming that. Correct me if I am wrong
