Why Christians Disagree

[Dave L]

No where does the bible saying that appointed some to hell.

You never include freewill in your statements except to deny it.

No where does the bible saying that appointed some to hell.

You never include freewill in your statements except to deny it.

Babies die because the wages of sin is death. So where is their free will not to sin?

 

[CoreIssue]

Babies die because the wages of sin is death. So where is their free will not to sin?

Babies are innocence so not subject to the consequences of sin spiritually.

 

[Enoch111]

I believe the Lord makes it quite clear in (1 Tim 2:3, 4) when he states, “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who (1) desires all men to be saved and (2) to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

What this means is simply this:

1. All human beings are sinners, and God desires all to be saved.

2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

3. God offers the gift of eternal life to all who will obey the Gospel.

4. But failure to obey the Gospel will prevent anyone from being saved.

 

[Vince]

No space matter or energy.

Only God, which we cannot explain except he exists outside of creation.

That is not a definition of nothing. What about Time? Math concepts, logic? There are many physicists that do not think that nothingness can exist. Physicists cannot come to an agreement with what nothingness actually means. In the end we don't know what was before the universe as it is today.

 

[Dave L]

Babies are innocence so not subject to the consequences of sin spiritually.

But the wages of sin is death. Do you think we are born a wicked species by any chance?

 

[CoreIssue]

That is not a definition of nothing. What about Time? Math concepts, logic? There are many physicists that do not think that nothingness can exist. Physicists cannot come to an agreement with what nothingness actually means. In the end we don't know what was before the universe as it is today.

Time is the measure of decay and change. If nothing exists there is no time.

To define nothing as you wish when absolutely nothing exists that is nothing.

We're talking about supernatural. God exists outside the natural but you want apply the laws of nature to god.

Who cares what physicists think when dealing with something beyond the laws of nature

That classic atheist error. Thinking if it cannot be analyzed in a lab it does not exist.

Like it are not your statements about science are faith statements. You believe them but cannot prove them.

You pose science as being superior to everything else. That is the definition of god, meaning superior to everything else.

 

[CoreIssue]

Babies die because the wages of sin is death. So where is their free will not to sin?

Where is your freewill to not eat or breathe yet live?

 

[Vince]

Is nothing exists there is no time.

That is a claim you need to provide evidence for.

We're talking about supernatural. God exists outside the natural but you want apply the laws of nature to god.

Nope. I just want sufficient evidence that god exists. If god exists outside the natural then does Jesus still have his physical body? Isn't a physical body part of the natural world?

That classic atheist error. Thinking if it cannot be analyzed in a lab it does not exist.

Nope. I never said or believe such a thing.

Like it are not your statements about science are faith statements. You believe them but cannot prove them.

No not quite. I believe something based on evidence. Statements about gravity I do believe because there is sufficient evidence to believe. I would never say 100% know how gravity behaves in all situations including the future. That is not faith. Faith is believing without sufficient evidence.

You pose science as being superior to everything else. That is the definition of god, meaning superior to everything else.

Nope, I never said it was superior to everything else. I do believe it is the best way humans have come up with to come to conclusions about what is true and what is false.

 

[CoreIssue]

That is a claim you need to provide evidence for.

Nope. I just want sufficient evidence that god exists. If god exists outside the natural then does Jesus still have his physical body? Isn't a physical body part of the natural world?

Nope. I never said or believe such a thing.

No not quite. I believe something based on evidence. Statements about gravity I do believe because there is sufficient evidence to believe. I would never say 100% know how gravity behaves in all situations including the future. That is not faith. Faith is believing without sufficient evidence.

Nope, I never said it was superior to everything else. I do believe it is the best way humans have come up with to come to conclusions about what is true and what is false.

Christ performed many miracles that even the jews and romans testified to. Including his resurrection.

Faith is simply believing in something. You're addition to the definition isn't accurate.

If everything has to be proven to endorse many things you will never be able to explain or accept.

You cannot explain why the universe functions.

You cannot explain why playtupus, moths and butterflies exist. Or why we have eyes. You cannot explain why anything exists.

 

[Dave L]

Where is your freewill to not eat or breathe yet live?

This confuses trusting in the arm of the flesh, "Free Will" with trusting in Christ who opened your eyes to see him. Unless first born again by grace, you will only see and accept a false Christ and hear a false gospel.

 

[CoreIssue]

This confuses trusting in the arm of the flesh, "Free Will" with trusting in Christ who opened your eyes to see him. Unless first born again by grace, you will only see and accept a false Christ and hear a false gospel.

Freewill is freewill

 

[Dave L]

Freewill is freewill

It is not free to choose a Christ it cannot see. It chooses only a false Christ and hears only a false gospel.

 

[Vince]

Christ performed many miracles that even the jews and romans testified to. Including his resurrection.

What evidence is there that these took place? Do you believe the miracles that happened in the Quran just because they were written down?

Faith is simply believing in something. You're addition to the definition isn't accurate.

That is not the biblical definition.

"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."

Where does it say that faith is believing with good reason?

If everything has to be proven to endorse many things you will never be able to explain or accept.

I never said I need proof of anything. I have always said sufficient evidence. I even said that in my last post about gravity. Could you please stop misrepresenting my positions?

You cannot explain why the universe functions.

So what?

You cannot explain why playtupus, moths and butterflies exist. Or why we have eyes. You cannot explain why anything exists.

So what? It is illogical to say that since I don't have an answer then it must be god. This is what you have jumped to throughout this entire conversation. I don't know is a reasonable and honest answer to questions.

 

[CoreIssue]

What evidence is there that these took place? Do you believe the miracles that happened in the Quran just because they were written down?

I'm talking about the records of ROME and the pharisees, not the bible.

 

[Harvest 1874]

You follow the teachings of Russel.

Enoch111 and I both condemn the teachings of calvinism.

An yet you follow J.N. Darby in respects to your seven-year tribulation theory, as well as as the Jesuit Ribera in regards to your belief in a future literal individual as the Antichrist, and then of course there is your belief in the false doctrine of eternal torment which had its origins in Catholicism and was subsequently carried over to Protestantism by some of the late reformers including John Calvin.

So which one of these men should we say you follow?

 

[Harvest 1874]

What this means is simply this:

1. All human beings are sinners, and God desires all to be saved.

2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

3. God offers the gift of eternal life to all who will obey the Gospel.

4. But failure to obey the Gospel will prevent anyone from being saved.

So according to your theory, all those who have not heard of the one name given under the heavens whereby we might be saved are eternally lost, this would include a great percentage of mankind, not only those presently living who have never heard this name (in order that they might believe in him), but likewise all those prior to the one name given, a name which was unknown to the world for the first 4000 years until our Lord's first advent.

This would of course include quite a few notable souls, including Adam, Moses, Abraham, Issac, Jacob as well as all the prophets with the possible exception of John the Baptist.

But of course, even though the scriptures expressly state that there is no salvation outside of Christ, you are going to try to attempt to convince us that there is another way, that all these faithful ones of the past are exempt from this rule and that the Lord has provided a completely different way for them, one in which they need not come through Christ.

Sorry but as the Lord states anyone who attempts to come by any other way save that which is in Christ is a robber and a thief.

 

[Vince]

I'm talking about the records of ROME and the pharisees, not the bible.

I never said anything about the bible. I just asked for evidence.

 

[CoreIssue]

An yet you follow J.N. Darby in respects to your seven-year tribulation theory, as well as as the Jesuit Ribera in regards to your belief in a future literal individual as the Antichrist, and then of course there is your belief in the false doctrine of eternal torment which had its origins in Catholicism and was subsequently carried over to Protestantism by some of the late reformers including John Calvin.

So which one of these men should we say you follow?

Sure not follow Russell.

 

[Stranger]

So what? It is illogical to say that since I don't have an answer then it must be god. This is what you have jumped to throughout this entire conversation. I don't know is a reasonable and honest answer to questions.

Yes, you don't know. Thus it is reasonable for you to say you don't know.

The Christian knows there is God and Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Thus the difference between you and those like you, and the Christian.

Stranger

 

[Vince]

Yes, you don't know. Thus it is reasonable for you to say you don't know.

The Christian knows there is God and Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Thus the difference between you and those like you, and the Christian.

Stranger

There are reasons you know something. Faith does not mean you know but believe without evidence.

I have been told by Christians at this site that you can't know because it would not be faith. Which is it? The bible says without faith you can't please god, so if you know then you cannot please god.