Hermeneutics vs. "Herd-meneutics"

[Dave L]

I'll let God decide that.

If you can produce even one scripture directly supporting any futuristic claims by Dispensationalists, you and they would not be totally deceived.

 

[Phoneman777]

Even if that verse happens to be not part of the original autographs, I believe it is Scriptural.
OTOH That 2nd clause of Rom 8:1 obviously does not belong in vs 8:1, otherwise it would contradict Jn 5:24.

Amen to that! Of all the strategies of Luciferian NWO secret societies of all the ages, the most prominent by far and away is the attempt to put Jesus on par with all the other "gods" - which is why I'm convinced the text was in the original, but removed in later copies by the likes of Origen. Did you ever read what he had to say about the propitiation?

 

[Phoneman777]

So the earliest copies of the original writings are inferior to those written in 1500s under Catholicism. No way.

By this, you've embellished the facts:

The "earliest copies" are obviously long gone with the originals, all of which having disintegrated through normal use - what you are defending are merely the "oldest" copies found of these other long vanished copies - the accuracy of which is highly suspect by examination. These date back only to the 3rd century.

 

[CoreIssue]

By this, you've embellished the facts:

The "earliest copies" are obviously long gone with the originals, all of which having disintegrated through normal use - what you are defending are merely the "oldest" copies found of these other long vanished copies - the accuracy of which is highly suspect by examination. These date back only to the 3rd century.

Not all gone. Some are in museums. Some back to the first century.

They are suspect but the 15th century are not????

 

[marks]

I'm not sure why you doubt that "signified it" (book of Rev) points to "symbols which require interpretation" when the book contains not only what are clearly symbols like the composite beast of Revelation 13, but also symbols which are directly interpreted for us, like "the waters which thou sawest are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."

What I've been trying to say is that a word study throughout the Scripture will show you that this word actually means to make something known, not to conceal it in symbols.

Much love!
Mark

 

[prism]

If you can produce even one scripture directly supporting any futuristic claims by Dispensationalists, you and they would not be totally deceived.

Ok! But I'll leave it at this, the ekklesia in the NT is not the same as the ekklesia in the OT, just as my 'house' is not the same as your 'house'...a different entity altogether. Have a nice day.

Thanks for your 'opinion'. Obviously we don't agree on this matter.

I don't 'can' 'truth' when I see it.
How about your amillennial replacement theology? LoL Goodbye.

Fine, and it seems you cannot tolerate the opinions of others but have to keep attacking them as if you are some sort of doctrinal savior. lol
Again. Good bye and thanks for your opinions.

I hope you don't read Scripture like you read my posts...LAST TIME...GOODBYE.
(I guess some people thrive on arguing)

 

[Dave L]

I hope you don't read Scripture like you read my posts...LAST TIME...GOODBYE.
(I guess some people thrive on arguing)

So you admit you haven't any direct quotes from scripture to bolster your ideas?

 

[prism]

Amen to that! Of all the strategies of Luciferian NWO secret societies of all the ages, the most prominent by far and away is the attempt to put Jesus on par with all the other "gods" - which is why I'm convinced the text was in the original, but removed in later copies by the likes of Origen. Did you ever read what he had to say about the propitiation?

No, but I have read enough of Origen to know his Neo-Patonism scares me with all his allegorizing of the text.

 

[CoreIssue]

What I've been trying to say is that a word study throughout the Scripture will show you that this word actually means to make something known, not to conceal it in symbols.

Much love!
Mark

The Bible is a literal document. Even the symbols are literally defined within its pages which makes them literal.

 

[prism]

So you admit you haven't any direct quotes from scripture to bolster your ideas?

No, I only admit that we have different presuppositions in our approach to Scripture and to pursue this is a Colossal waste of time.
And I'm beginning to believe you have an obsession to prove others wrong regardless of the outcome. It's very trollish behavior...not Christian.

 

[CoreIssue]

Amen to that! Of all the strategies of Luciferian NWO secret societies of all the ages, the most prominent by far and away is the attempt to put Jesus on par with all the other "gods" - which is why I'm convinced the text was in the original, but removed in later copies by the likes of Origen. Did you ever read what he had to say about the propitiation?

So you're saying God lie. That the smallest iota of his word meaning will not endure until all is fulfilled.

We know for sure the Catholics altered the Textus Receptus and KJV.

 

[Dave L]

No, I only admit that we have different presuppositions in our approach to Scripture and to pursue this is a Colossal waste of time.
And I'm beginning to believe you have an obsession to prove others wrong regardless of the outcome. It's very trollish behavior...not Christian.

You cannot support your "Dispensationalist futurism" with direct quotes from scripture. It is all false prophecy and you are a false prophet for promoting it.

 

[CoreIssue]

You cannot support your "Dispensationalist futurism" with direct quotes from scripture. It is all false prophecy and you are a false prophet for promoting it.

So the 70th week of Daniel, Temple of Ezekiel and Revelation are not future.

 

[Dave L]

So the 70th week of Daniel, Temple of Ezekiel and Revelation are not future.

There is no gap between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks. The Jesuits made it up to deceive protestants into thinking the papacy is not the Antichrist, but still future. The supposed gap is the basis for Dispensationalism's future predictions. But no scriptures directly support any of their predictions. It is all false prophecy.
The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

 

[CoreIssue]

There is no gap between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks. The Jesuits made it up to deceive protestants into thinking the papacy is not the Antichrist, but still future. The supposed gap is the basis for Dispensationalism's future predictions. But no scriptures directly support any of their predictions. It is all false prophecy.
The Jesuit Origins of Futurism

And you're repeating your same old crap that has long been disproven.

 

[Dave L]

And you're repeating your same old crap that has long been disproven.

You need scripture to disprove it. Not sentiment. It remains without direct scriptural support.

 

[CoreIssue]

You need scripture to disprove it. Not sentiment. It remains without direct scriptural support.

You were given Scripture but tried to make it all figurative and amillennial beliefs.

 

[Dave L]

You were given Scripture but tried to make it all figurative and amillennial beliefs.

This is not so. Give one direct scripture stating any of the following. There will be a 7 year tribulation. There will be a pre-trib rapture. There will be a restored Roman Empire. There will be a return to animal sacrifices. Russia will march on Israel.... Even one topic will do.

 

[Phoneman777]

What I've been trying to say is that a word study throughout the Scripture will show you that this word actually means to make something known, not to conceal it in symbols.

Much love!
Mark

The idea of the future being revealed through symbolism is not only possible, but just so happens to be the case with Revelation.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, but I have read enough of Origen to know his Neo-Patonism scares me with all his allegorizing of the text.

Dude actually despises the idea of the necessity of blood atonement for sin. Just so happens that is the case with Freemasonry, etc., which through the ritual of Hiram Abiff - a mock death and resurrection - they teach man saves himself. Catholicism is well known for teaching the needlessness of Christ's death for the salvation of man - they claim God was so pleased with Jesus' service to Him that He decided to grant church authorities the prerogative to forgive the sins of the people wholly apart from the death of Jesus. It's all one giant satanic total onslaught on the life, mission, and divinity of Christ, with the papacy as Satan's headquarters.