Defending Homosexuality

[Waiting on him]

Let me reiterate since you're oblivious to following along and following context.

Romans 1 shows God rejecting people because of their sin, something you've falsely claimed is against his character. There are many other places in Scripture that show this to be true.

Scripture then shows you're incorrect. That was my point to you: You're wrong.

You need to study, as you said, yet it appears you're being facetious, trying to play humble. Or something.

Right after this was stated to you, you showed it to be your character to falsely accuse. And do a little name calling. A few responses in a row with offered ridicule.

Now, if any person is drawn to Christ by the Father, he will not reject them. But that's another issue. You said God doesn't reject people due to sin. I've shown your assertion to be incorrect. Why not just accept that you're statement isn't accurate, and leave off your callow responses?

Do you feel the need to sling some more false accusations at this time? Or maybe own up and apologize.

I didn’t realize I accused you of anything. If I did I absolutely apologize, but if I didn’t then I’m ok with that too.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I didn’t realize I accused you of anything. If I did I absolutely apologize, but if I didn’t then I’m ok with that too.

Really? You didn't realize when you were typing responses they weren't accusatory? I don't buy that. They clearly were.

You made false assertions, took a few jabs, then threw in the go-to Pharisee slam.

Why not just admit your assertions are incorrect. God does reject people in their sins. That's a fact. You made this not an opportunity to learn, but took opportunity to make false assertions and belittle.

 

[Waiting on him]

you showed it to be your character to falsely accuse.

you're oblivious

You need to study,

you're incorrect.

I’m a little slow after the stoke are these accusations? I need some clarification. Or calling someone a troll. Do you see me as being facetious or serious?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I’m a little slow after the stoke are these accusations? I need some clarification. Or calling someone a troll. Do you see me as being facetious or serious?

Nope, they're observations. Seems your stroke hasn't affected your ability to ridicule and falsely quote out of context in order to accuse. It appears you're on the mend.

You said you need to study, I agreed, then you took offense to it. That shows, well, your false humility.

You're oblivious to what the context is concerning our discussion, and you've yet to see and admit to our discussion that God does in fact reject persons for sin. Why not actually address this?

Each of the places up above where you've quoted me take the conversation completely out of context, just another way for you to falsely accuse and make things appear to your favor. That's frankly dishonest of you.

I see you as being accusatory, opportunistic, and facetious. You don't address facts, you just go on the attack. But that's OK, I've simply met your person.

Carry on.

 

[Waiting on him]

Nope, they're observations. Seems your stroke hasn't affected your ability to ridicule and falsely quote out of context in order to accuse. It appears you're on the mend.

You said you need to study, I agreed, then you took offense to it. That shows, well, your false humility.

You're oblivious to what the context is concerning our discussion, and you've yet to see and admit to our discussion that God does in fact reject persons for sin. Why not actually address this?

Each of the places up above where you've quoted me take the conversation completely out of context, just another way for you to falsely accuse and make things appear to your favor. That's frankly dishonest of you.

I see you as being accusatory, opportunistic, and facetious. You don't address facts, you just go on the attack. But that's OK, I've simply met your person.

Carry on.

Maybe I am confused as to what are questions and what are accusations. I’ll ask God to help.

 

[FHII]

Somehow you appear to be assuming I don't think sodomy is forgivable.

Please stop with your assuming and condemning assertions.

I can only go on what you give me. Did you ever say otherwise? Did you imply it

That is what I'm addressing.

That said, you are incorrect, it is the problem, which is why it is mentioned.

Romans 1:26-27 is clear on its own -- it is describing the result of God's wrath. THAT is the context of THAT PORTION of Romans 1. God's wrath is revealed. Do you get that? Move on from your previous argument, with Paul, and keep up.

When you refuse to even look at the preceding text, I don't think I am wrong in believing you are taking the verse putof context. You even stated that 1:26-27 stand on it's own. You never even bothered

Lastly, you really need to stop acting like you're the only one preaching grace. You're not. What you are doing is making an attempt to simply overlook the sins of society, when neither God nor Scripture does this. That isn't grace, it isn't practicing grace, it is to be in a state of naivete

I don't think I am the only one. I just exited a conversation with H. Richard who also believes the message of Grace and is a true champion on that subject. But based on the information you have given me, I don't see you preaching that message.

I don't think I am the only one preaching grace, but I am preaching it! And I see you still stick in the box of Romans 1:26-27. You haven't addressed Romans 1:21-25 nor 5:20.

You want to talk about the sins of society, fine. That is a different topic. I thought we were discussing homosexuals and whether or not they can be saved.

If you want to talk about society as a whole... I have a very strong and hard opinion about it which I haven't shared. It would make me pretty unpolular. Not that I care about it over truth.

 

[Willie T]

Can I hear that opinion on society in a PM?

 

[FHII]

Did you see what Willie posted earlier on eternity, my brain is still hurting?

No. I am sure it was good. Willie's a smart guy. But master what you can. Grow at God's pace. If you and Willie both perish tomorrow, he's no better off. Remember the parable of the servant who was hired at the end of the day as well as the parable of the prodigal son.

 

[Stranger]

It’s amazing you build a total doctrine around one verse in Gods word

Good night. Can you count? (Rom. 1:26-27) is at least two verses. Then, (Rom. 1:18-32) is 15 verses. Then, (Rom. 2:1-39) is 39 verses. What is amazing is not your 'ignorance' but your willful denial.

Stranger

 

[FHII]

Can I hear that opinion on society in a PM?

Maybe. Gotta warn you... It ain't pretty nor poular.

 

[Stranger]

Brother, you're arguing with a person who refuses and/or cannot see what God has plainly spoken. His is trollish behavior imho, it definitely does not reflect Christian behavior.

I agree.

Stranger

 

[FHII]

Good night. Can you count? (Rom. 1:26-27) is at least two verses. Then, (Rom. 1:18-32) is 15 verses. Then, (Rom. 2:1-39) is 39 verses. What is amazing is not your 'ignorance' but your willful denial.

Stranger

Well that's my compaint against you Stranger! You have focused on Romans 1:26-27 (2 verses... Yipee!) and failed to acknowledge everything else that is pertinent. Perhaps I am missing a post from you... But hey...

 

[Stranger]

Wow.....Really??? No homosexuals in your church? Do you have a camera attached to all the members of your church and in their bedrooms to watch every move they make??? Or are you the only member of your church......

No, you didn't tell me but you do like to play games with words.

I don't know what a Romanist is. I am Catholic. (see, I can play your word games also)

Mary

I did tell you. See post # (147).

If one wants to be a homosexual and attend church, he can go to your church. Not mine. Give him a hug mary. He needs to be loved.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Well that's my compaint against you Stranger! You have focused on Romans 1:26-27 (2 verses... Yipee!) and failed to acknowledge everything else that is pertinent. Perhaps I am missing a post from you... But hey...

No, your complaint is that you're defending homosexuals in the church and I am not.

What do I not acknowledge that is pertinent?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Oh really?

"I am not defending Homosexuality... I am defending grace. But I guess I am one of the few who aren't condemning them based on grace.

So the ya go. A KJV guy defending "

I think I was pretty clear that I wasn't defending homosexuality. Now yes I did say I was at the end, but you have to look at the context. Bbyrd009 threw a shot at KJV folks saying they are condemning homosexuals or something to that effect. I was just pointing out that I wasn't. Furthermore, I have stated that homosexuality IS a sin. I happen to believe with good reason that it is also covered by grace.



That question doesn't make sense. Grace is not an entity of its own where it can agree or disagree with God.

I have already briefly discussed Room 1:26-27. I will expound if you like. Homosexuality wasn't the problem.

By your own words you are defending homosexuality. I already showed you your words. Did it make you feel good? Did it make you look so acceptable? Made me want to vomit.

Stranger

 

[FHII]

By your own words you are defending homosexuality. I already showed you your words. Did it make you feel good? Did it make you look so acceptable? Made me want to vomit.

Stranger

Done with you. Believe what you want. I don't see any sign that we can have a reasonable discussion.

I stand by what I said.

 

[Willie T]

Maybe. Gotta warn you... It ain't pretty nor poular.

Most of my views aren't pretty or popular, either. (It will stay strictly on PM... the same as I hope you would keep mine.)

 

[Stranger]

Done with you. Believe what you want. I don't see any sign that we can have a reasonable discussion.

I stand by what I said.

And I acknowledge what you said.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What is not usually mentioned is that homosexuality is a judgement of God upon a people, even though Scripture is clear.

See I could say this is not true ...since I’d heard countless times what you say about Romans and the condemnation of homosexuals way before I’d ever heard of how deep His mercy goes.

A few thoughts. You seem to be saying (and maybe I’ve misunderstood) that an individual is homosexual because of their own rejection of God. That it is singular and pin-pointing one. But Romans seems to not be pointing at one individual but as a whole that they love the flesh and worship it so Much that God gives them over to their vile affections and lust of the flesh. Yes, homosexuality but seeing today that is by far all. Murder. Adultery. Greed. Addictions of all kinds of feeding on flesh. “I’ll fill my lust of the flesh and get more of it.” Worshipping it. Loving it. Like in the wilderness God saying you want the flesh then I’ll give it to you to eat until you are sick of it. And isn’t that the point of what is happening now...our dire need for God and a turning from what doesn’t ever satisfy? Consider how sexual perversions are traveled in. Same as any addiction it starts small and when that isn’t enough to satisfy any longer it goes to the next stimulation and when that is not enough onto the next stimulation and it continues until porn turns into living it out rather than watching it and pills turn into shooting up herione.

Came across this channel called “Vice” which is becoming more popular. Not only is homosexuality and dressing as the opposite sex celebrated but also drug addictions, adultery, nudity, porn anything crude and a bondage you could imagine. It is not one individual but the world. Don’t misunderstand Stranger I hate it as much as you and don’t endorse any of it.

Considering the topic of Homosexuality and someone continuing in it...I’ve had to ask the same of pedophiles. Does the same apply to them where they are welcome in to the body of Christ and even if they continue to prey on young children they are supported because it is an illness they can’t overcome? Could you sit next to them knowing the sexual attraction toward children still continues?

The only reason I responded to your post in the first place was not to support or endorse... let us just love all...but because I know how some sins God has walked me free from...yet in the flesh I still have vices of my own that I wouldn’t endorse or support or wish on anyone. My understanding is all sin is of the same weight to God. To say the things I hate that I do...are far less important or ugly than the topic makes an hypocrite which God speaks of probably more often than homosexual. To say adultery is accepted within the body of Christ and others are not makes an hypocrite. So I don’t know the answer. In constant need of His grace and mercy.

 

[Willie T]

I did tell you. See post # (147).

If one wants to be a homosexual and attend church, he can go to your church. Not mine. Give him a hug mary. He needs to be loved.

Stranger

You admit he needs to be loved, just like each of us. You know that Jesus told us to love him. Yet, you still say you will continue to refuse to love him?