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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by oldhermit, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. Waiting on him

    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    I’m just glad Christ didn’t require me to clean me up before acceptance. I discovered within the last couple of years that when I accept people prior to their sanctification from God, that for some strange reason they are convicted of the things that I judge as unacceptable. I try not to say anything to them. But pray for God to help me to help them. And he does the work
     
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    Somehow you appear to be assuming I don't think sodomy is forgivable.

    Please stop with your assuming and condemning assertions.

    You don't know what you're talking about, that much is clear, although I can appreciate that you try to use context, unlike many others.

    You said homosexuality wasn't the problem.

    That
    is what I'm addressing.

    That said, you are incorrect, it is the problem, which is why it is mentioned.

    Romans 1:26-27 is clear on its own -- it is describing the result of God's wrath. THAT is the context of THAT PORTION of Romans 1. God's wrath is revealed. Do you get that? Move on from your previous argument, with Paul, and keep up.

    Paul is describing how God's wrath is being revealed. You need to follow the thought along and stop being locked into a certain portion and limiting the context. Paul has moved forward, you have not.

    See then how it is the problem? We see God's wrath on society via all the things mentioned. We see society becoming worse today. If you cannot see that this is the problem, and how it is affecting society today, then you're not on the right track.

    For the record, there are some who are sodomites whom God has elected some to salvation. We do not know who the elect are, we are only to preach the Gospel and God does the saving. Note 1 Corinthians 6:9ff

    Lastly, you really need to stop acting like you're the only one preaching grace. You're not. What you are doing is making an attempt to simply overlook the sins of society, when neither God nor Scripture does this. That isn't grace, it isn't practicing grace, it is to be in a state of naivete.

    I firmly believe God can save any person, no matter the sin. But this text isn't speaking of grace, that comes later in Romans. Paul is establishing that all the world is lost, and describing the sins and behaviors of a corrupt society. That's the context.
     
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  3. Reggie Belafonte

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    I think that the whole homosexual thing has to be put under a microscope, as to who is what truly, because someone who is just a little boy in the mind type and someone who is just a degenerate to full on insane deranged are under the same banner and this only helps the moronic types who are hiding under the little boy type for example, that's dragged out for all, as the poster boy that everyone thinks that it is all about.

    It's like when one comes up with any argument against homosexuals, it's the little boy type that is used to attack you all with, it's like oh no ! you are attacking a little boy type, but the fact is no one gives a toss about that type, it's about the festering of degenerates that is promoted, that gets on the goat of people who know and understand the difference and truly care.

    What has happened is that all homosexuals have been dubbed under one persona and the fact is that under such a topic there are many types of such, some of who are even insane to very evil.

    The RCC that I have read about as to their views on homosexuals was clearly spot on, they said that it was far from being gay but a very sad thing that was being promoted now, but now we have Pope Frances who is a Sodomite supporting them not to mention the first Pope to do so ever.
    Not to mention that Pope Paul said that Satan had entered the RCC, and it was around this time that Jesuits said that the RCC was seen to be invaded fully by a group of new type of Jesuits mob, who were just truly Satanic Freemasons who were ordained as priest who truly created all this Sodomite problem within the Church that we see today. One Jesuit back in the day was saying that this group of Jesuits took over his Order and he was angry about them bastardising it, you can see it on youtube. I can't remember his name as it was years ago but he was in a high position.

    So what we see nowadays is the promotion of degenerates, by Satanist who are clearly working to undermine the social fabric and create a bastardised people and the proof is in the pudding, just look around at how their morals are just trash nowadays and it's only going to get worse, happy with abortion on demand not to mention they are proud of such ? and promoted by the government and look at the poofter he has sex with anyone at the drop of a hat and is that discouraged ? no it's not ! not at all, as that is all fine when you are Gay.
     
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    Keep reading then, there are plenty of Scriptures showing God rejecting people due to their sin. In fact, Romans 1 is talking about just that. Therefore you're incorrect in "knowing" about this going against the character of God, so yes, you need to study more.
     
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    Doesn’t, for this cause imply something was stated previously?
     
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    So Jesus requires us to clean ourselves up prior to accepting us??
     
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    This sounds like the doctrine of the Pharisees.
     
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    Or does he accept us with grace, then reject us if we don’t do a good enough job?
     
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    1. I simply ask that ALL of what God has spoken be considered. I look at Romans 1:26-27. I see it and have discussed it. I ask others to look at the plethora of other verses that talk about Grace. If you disagree, fine. State your case. Throw done your rod next to mine and let's see which one sprouts almonds. I don't think that is too much to ask when I have discussed your verses.

    2. Trollish behavior? I have been here since 2011. I don't think that's a fair accusation of me. How long have you been here?

    3. If you want to discuss "Christian behavior" I am game. I strive to display Christ like behavior.

    Perhaps we need a more formal introduction. I don't attack anyone's character, and if I do, I am quick to apologize. I stick to doctrinal issues. I may have a bit of fun at times, but I don't troll nor attack a person. I don't even attack denominations even though I would like to. I stick to the facts and when something is my opinion, like Paul I note it.

    I have all the old school folks on this board to appeal to if that's not the truth! If they think I am a troll, then you have your witnesses. I have argued with them all... But I would be shocked if any of them would call me a troll.
     
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    There really ARE a lot of people that believe you only receive grace for things past.... that if you do anything else wrong from that point on, "there is no more forgiveness." Believe me, I've met them.
     
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    We aren't smarter than you. More experienced maybe. Don't sell yourself short. If you can pick up on that you are ahead of many.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Did you see what Willie posted earlier on eternity, my brain is still hurting?
     
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    Nothing I've stated came close to even implying your accusation.

    And you're still slinging accusations.

    And again you do the same.

    Either stick to the facts without your false assertions, or falsely accuse.

    That's up to you.
     
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    I honor all you guys for your willing effort!
     
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    Did you notice that I only "copied" that stuff from a website?
     
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    You get an A for efforts
     
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    I learned a long time ago that you needn't know everything... just know where to go to find it.
     
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    Don't ever worry about your brain...it is you inner man of the Spirit which leaps like a babe in the womb and says "YES AMEN!" ...not you brain.

    If it was up to my brain understanding " I would be of all men most miserable" :D
     
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    Let me reiterate since you're oblivious to following along and following context.

    Romans 1 shows God rejecting people because of their sin, something you've falsely claimed is against his character. There are many other places in Scripture that show this to be true.

    Scripture then shows you're incorrect. That was my point to you: You're wrong.

    You need to study, as you said, yet it appears you're being facetious, trying to play humble. Or something.

    Right after this was stated to you, you showed it to be your character to falsely accuse. And do a little name calling. A few responses in a row with offered ridicule.

    Now, if any person is drawn to Christ by the Father, he will not reject them. But that's another issue. You said God doesn't reject people due to sin. I've shown your assertion to be incorrect. Why not just accept that you're statement isn't accurate, and leave off your callow responses?

    Do you feel the need to sling some more false accusations at this time? Or maybe own up and apologize.
     
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