*[[Rev 13:15]] KJV* And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
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Addressing the OP only. it seems like, but it not. and the JOB will get don, which some have already been done.
not all these events are Tribulation Events, some before, during, and after.
B. the two witness are John the Baptist, and the Lord Jesus the Christ respectively.
Ok got a question on this.
The 7 trumpets - no destruction at all ??
These trumpets in Rev. 8:13 tells us they are voices.
These Angels are the messenger.
So the messages was to warn about what was going to be coming, nothing is going to actually happened right ?
Would these be the messages together that cause those in Rev.18 "come out of her my people"
The 7 trumpets and vials seem to be parallel in the contents somewhat.
those charts are questions , just thoughts provokingI would suggest that you go and start again your search for an answer about what will happen during the end times.
The charts you have provided have flaws in them.
those charts are questions , just thoughts provoking
End time to me is down at the end of the millennium.
Referring to the end of the ungodly mankind, all those who oppose Jesus will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20
When that is done.
Then the Holy City(his bride) will come down to earth. Rev.21
Earth then will be the heavenly place to dwell in.
those charts are questions , just thoughts provoking
End time to me is down at the end of the millennium.
Referring to the end of the ungodly mankind, all those who oppose Jesus will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20
When that is done.
Then the Holy City(his bride) will come down to earth. Rev.21
Earth then will be the heavenly place to dwell in.
those charts are questions , just thoughts provoking
End time to me is down at the end of the millennium.
Referring to the end of the ungodly mankind, all those who oppose Jesus will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev.20
When that is done.
Then the Holy City(his bride) will come down to earth. Rev.21
Earth then will be the heavenly place to dwell in.
GINOLJC, to allDisagree.
I would say, the most likely candidates to Be thee Lord Gods Witnesses would be;
Moses, Elijah, and or Enoch.
Glory to God,
Taken
GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for your reply. second, Moses, Elijah, and or Enoch which I have heard of, do fit the symbolism used here in Revelation 11, but only in symbolism. the bible is clear as to who the two witness are.
but if you like, you can put you understanding of why these are the two witness on the table and let us examine your beliefs, we all can lean a thing or two.
first thanks for the reply, and second, Moses, & Elijah are the symbolic representatives of the the two witnesses that came, John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ..Where in Scripture are those clear teachings?
I merely suggested a possibility of three being candidates as witnesses.
Glory to God,
Taken
first thanks for the reply, and second, Moses, & Elijah are the symbolic representatives of the the two witnesses that came, John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ..
PICJAG
first thanks for the reply. second, here's the reasons why we believe that John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus are the two witness.Thanks but I don't see your opinion as a clear Scriptural revealing.
Glory to God,
Taken
Now the Lord Jesus and Mose their similarities.Thanks but I don't see your opinion as a clear Scriptural revealing.
Glory to God,
Taken
first thanks for the reply. second, here's the reasons why we believe that John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus are the two witness.
The Prophet John the Baptist parallels the Prophet Elijah.
(b). "Prepare ye the way of the LORD". that's LORD all caps..., is not JESUS the "Lord" that came? but Isaiah said, "LORD" all cap, our God. please read Isaiah 40:3 again. this directly tells us JESUS is God in flesh as a MAN, wich comfirm John 1:1. the LORD in flesh as, as, as, a man.
JESUS is the LORD in the OT without flesh. and JESUS is the Lord in the NT with flesh. how easy this is. men doctrine make it hard to understand.
so the conclusion: John the Baptist is the Elijah to come in "spirit" and "power". NOT the flesh and blood man Elijah. but his "foreshadow".
Now the Lord Jesus and Mose their similarities.
we will make it short and to the point, since we have John the Baptist as a reference.
Here are some compiled similarities between the Lord Jesus the Christ and the prophet Moses.
1. both have a close relationship with God. Moses a face to face with Physical barriers meeting. the Lord Jesus Spiritual Face to face. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (for he is the share of God himself in flesh)'
2. both were ordained by God to deliver his people from bondage. Moses Physical bondage, the Lord Jesus Spiritual bondage. (side note: this eliminates any unitarian claim on a human saviour)
3. both Moses and the Lord Jesus were saved from certain death when they were small children, while most other Israelite male children of the same age and place of birth were murdered. Moses under pharaoh in Egypt. the Lord Jesus under Herod the king.
4. both the Lord Jesus and Moses refused the possibility to become rulers in their age. Satan offered Jesus the rule over the kingdoms of this world (Matthew 4:8-9), but Jesus rejected that offer and chose to suffer and die for the sake of the people of the world. Moses acted in a similar manner; he had been raised as a son in a royal family, and he could have had a lavish lifestyle, but he chose differently. he suffered for the people sake.
5. both the Lord Jesus and Moses were "called out of Egypt". Matthew 2:15 "And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son". also see Hos 11:1;
6. both Moses and the Lord Jesus interceded for Israel, not allowing the destruction of the nation
7. both the Lord Jesus and Moses "mediated" between Israel, (now the church), and the true God. for both are Mediators.
8. both the Lord Jesus and Moses were Lawgivers. Moses the carnal Law of Stone. Jesus the Spiritual Law of the heart.
9. both had water connections. The Nile (water) into blood/red. Water into wine/red, the wedding at Cana
10. both died, and neither are in their GRAVES.
11. both had mother who was not their biological mothers.
12. both talked to God on mountains tops. and God confirmed both.
this is just a few, their are many more. By now one should have the understanding of who the two witness are.
Conclusion: the two witness are the Lord Jesus and John the Baptist. The Gospel, and Baptism are still in the earth witnessing even today.
PICJAG
If that were true we would all be in the New Heavens and the New Earth already. The bulk of the prophecies in Revelation are for the future.Already happened in Ancient times.
Well there still clouds of witnesses of Jesus to day, even in Israel .
The church is a witness.
It does say two candlesticks and two olive trees .
Rev.1 says candlesticks were churches and Rom.11 olive trees
You can read that a person symbols is a group of people.
example = the bride - she is not just one woman, but consist of many members.
another one = the harlot, is she just one or is she a many members consisting of that city.
another one = the four beasts in Rev.5 = is there really 4 beast or do they represent redeemed kind of people.
So maybe the two witnesses represent the church preaching the everlasting gospel, come out of her my people.
Church has been persecuted and will be again, but she will win this time around.
The calamity will be on the bad guys.