The Tribulation Calamity Events ??

[amadeus]

well, might be happened, happening, and will happen too maybe?

That sounds like 3/3 of the whole to me! [past=1/3, present=1/3, And future= 1/3]. Are my fractions correct?

 

[bbyrd009]

That sounds like 3/3 of the whole to me! [past=1/3, present=1/3, And future= 1/3]. Are my fractions correct?

boy, maybe, that's an interesting reflection in light of some vv, I'd have to reflect on that on for a while :)

I guess we even have one that says exactly that huh

 

[amadeus]

boy, maybe, that's an interesting reflection in light of some vv, I'd have to reflect on that on for a while :)

I guess we even have one that says exactly that huh

Perhaps more than one. But consider at least this:

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Heb 13:3

 

[Enoch111]

Can you figure all this out, when all this will happen, to some it seem to be all in a short time span ?

1. If you compare the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24) with the first five seals in Revelation, you will see that those events have been in effect since the first century.

2. Only the judgments of the 6th and 7th seals will be in the future, during Daniel's 70th week (7 years).

3. The first 3 1/2 years (the Tribulation) will see the first six trumpet judgments. The last 3 1/2 years will correspond to the Great Tribulation (the day of the LORD) in which the seven vials of the 7th seal will be poured out.

4. Immediately after the last 3 1/2 years (which will be shortened as Christ said) the shaking of the heavens and the earth will occur (the 6th seal judgments). Generally Revelation is chronological, but according to Christ the 7th seal judgments are followed by those of the 6th seal.

5. Finally there will be the Second Coming of Christ with power and great glory.

When there are daily CATASTROPHIES worldwide such as have never been before, then 7 years will feel like 70 years.

 

[bbyrd009]

Perhaps more than one. But consider at least this:

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Heb 13:3

ah, 13:8, ya. Reads diff in the original though,
Hebrews 13:8 Lexicon: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
guess we got scribes in our woodpile again huh
αἰὼνας
(aiōnas) 165: a space of time, an age

 

[Jay Ross]

ah, 13:8, ya. Reads diff in the original though,
Hebrews 13:8 Lexicon: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
guess we got scribes in our woodpile again huh
αἰὼνας
(aiōnas) 165: a space of time, an age

Let us correct the want to be scribes as the Greek reads thus: -

The understanding of the Greek can be shown to be: - καὶ {and} εἰς {to/into/for} τοὺς {the} αἰῶνας. {ages.}​

i.e. it reads: - Hebrews 13:8: - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and for the ages.

Because "for the ages" represents a very long time period, it is understandable that this phrase "for the ages" has been shortened to "forever" without an apparent changing of the context or the understanding of the verse. However, "forever" has an infinite context, where as "for the ages" has a finite context, in that it limits the understanding to a particular period of time.

Hope this helps.

 

[Davy]

So in chart #2
The so called Armageddon does not wipe out all the bad nations of the world.
That will come at the end time of the world 1John 2:15-17 - at the end of the 1,000 year(millennium) Rev.20
1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Armageddon is the battle Christ and His army will fight. It is the battle of Ezekiel 39. Antichrist's army won't stand a chance. The battle will be over almost before it is started.

It will bring God's consuming fire of 2 Pet.3:10 upon the earth, destroying man's works off the earth's surface. It will end this present world as we know it, including this flesh world. The reason why the nations survive, and even some of Antichrist's army which will come up against Israel on the last day (Zech.14), is because it will destroy man's flesh, but not man's spirit with soul.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Armageddon is the battle Christ and His army will fight. It is the battle of Ezekiel 39. Antichrist's army won't stand a chance. The battle will be over almost before it is started.

It will bring God's consuming fire of 2 Pet.3:10 upon the earth, destroying man's works off the earth's surface. It will end this present world as we know it, including this flesh world. The reason why the nations survive, and even some of Antichrist's army which will come up against Israel on the last day (Zech.14), is because it will destroy man's flesh, but not man's spirit with soul.

sorry but this reads confusing:
Jesus come with his Armies to fight Antichrist.
Earth is burned with fire, no flesh left
Antichrist goes against Israel.
1/6 of that army come to Israel is destroyed Ez.39:2 The other 5/6 is at home.

I have thought the purpose for this battle in Israel is to set Israel free.
God is the one who get the battle going.
The unbelieving Jews and Gentile world will know that Jesus is in control.

Israel 2 neighbors will be united Isaiah 19:23-24 yet future

 

[Davy]

sorry but this reads confusing:
Jesus come with his Armies to fight Antichrist.
Earth is burned with fire, no flesh left
Antichrist goes against Israel.
1/6 of that army come to Israel is destroyed Ez.39:2 The other 5/6 is at home.

I have thought the purpose for this battle in Israel is to set Israel free.
God is the one who get the battle going.
The unbelieving Jews and Gentile world will know that Jesus is in control.

Israel 2 neighbors will be united Isaiah 19:23-24 yet future

The 6th Vial is Jesus causing Satan's host on earth to be gathered for battle, the battle of Armageddon (see Rev.16). The 7th Vial is poured out not upon the earth, but into the 'air', representing the literal ending of this flesh world time with Jesus' 2nd coming.

In Isaiah, God compares that day being like turning a bottle upside down with its contents poured out, the bottle making a gurgling sound. In Isaiah 25, He says He will remove the veil cast over all peoples, representing the casting off of this flesh world time and ushering us into the spiritual body world to come which begins Christ's Millennial reign with His elect on earth. That Isaiah 25 Scripture is where Apostle Paul was pulling from when teaching about death being swallowed up in victory. Like Paul said in 1 Cor.15, as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. The unsaved will bear that image of the heavenly also, yet their souls will still be in liable to perish state unless they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior in that time. Some will continue to deny Jesus and will perish with Satan, and some will accept Jesus and be joined to the resurrection of life.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Ok got a question on this.
The 7 trumpets - no destruction at all ??

These trumpets in Rev. 8:13 tells us they are voices.
These Angels are the messenger.
So the messages was to warn about what was going to be coming, nothing is going to actually happened right ?
Would these be the messages together that cause those in Rev.18 "come out of her my people"

The 7 trumpets and vials seem to be parallel in the contents somewhat.

 

[ScottA]

Rev.6 The four horse men - Calamity and death

Rev.11 The beast from bottomless pit war against the two witnesses

Rev.12 The Red Dragon wars against the people of God

Rev.13 Those that are killed for not following the 2 Beasts from the sea and earth.

The sixth seal - wrath is coming on the enemies of God Rev. 6

Rev.7:1 - the 4 winds to hurt the earth

Rev.8 and 9 and 11 - the seven trumpets

Rev.16 The seven vials

Rev.14 The Angel with the sharp sickle gather the vine of the earth for the wrath of God

Rev.17 Ten kings turn against the Harlot system, destroys her

Rev.18:8 Babylon plagues come in one day and shall be burned with fire

Rev.19 Jesus and his Armies war against the Beast , Kings, and false prophet cast into the lake of fire

Rev.2:26-27 Overcomers rule with a rod of iron breaking down the nations

Tinkering with the thinkers

Can you figure all this out, when all this will happen, to some it seem to be all in a short time span ?

Sure looks like a lot is going on to get the job done in the plan.

There is a lot of individuals doing a lot of things - God, Angels, Satan, Overcomers, Jesus's armies, Beast, Kings, false prophet, The Horsemen

You have said it: The "short time" is that time which was given to Satan.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

So I assume none of Christian's will ever be hurt by any of the plaques of God.
Only thing they will be hurt by is the Beast.

 

[CoreIssue]

So I assume none of Christian's will ever be hurt by any of the plaques of God.
Only thing they will be hurt by is the beasts.

None. The rapture.

Animals will die big time.

 

[Dave L]

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Numbers in Revelation are often symbols not to be taken literally. 3 1/2 is 1/2 of 7 which is God's number and the number of perfection. 666 is man number etc.

 

[CoreIssue]

Numbers in Revelation are often symbols not to be taken literally. 3 1/2 is 1/2 of 7 which is God's number and the number of perfection. 666 is man number etc.

3 1/2 and 7 are literal years. 6 is the number of man, created on the sixth day. 666 is the number of a man, the AC.

A lot of speculation on what that number means. I lean toward a man with a demon, the first beast, rising out of the sea, mankind, on the sixth day of man, last day before the MK.

I stress, that is just my theory.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

None. The rapture.

Animals will die big time.

Who are they that will get hurt if they
Don't take the mark of the beast.

 

[Dave L]

3 1/2 and 7 are literal. 6 is the number of man, created on the sixth day. 666 is the number of a man, the AC.

Man's number 666, is a symbol of man exalting his laws above God's laws.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Somebody will reject the beastly mark and there will Christian's who refuses it.

 

[Bible_Gazer]

*[[Rev 15:2]] KJV* And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 

[Keraz]

Who are they that will get hurt if they
Don't take the mark of the beast.

There is no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone. That is a false teaching, that has deceived many. No scripture says that will happen.
We Christians are plainly told to endure until the end. Revelation 13:10

God's holy people, every faithful born again Christian will be in the holy Land in the end times. They are seen there by Daniel 7:25 and in Revelation 13:7 We won't have to take the 'mark', as we live in our own nation, called Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
There will be very little, if any, conversions to Christianity of secular people during the reign of the 'beast'. Revelation 13:3-4