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And the CR's can, just as directly as Dispensationalists do, point to Scriptures that hold their doctrine just as well. As I have said on here many times before, the Bible seems to be written so that people reading it will find the particular, and specific, God they are looking for. Preconceived expectations produce our anticipated results.

All the while, each one is screaming at the other, "There is only ONE Truth... and I have found it!...… NOT YOU!... or THEM, or anyone else!"
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What do you think that they teach? What verses do they use?
Can you tell us which of their books you have examined?
Seriously? Why you trying to pretend people don't have access to information? What is this the 13 century? got a computer? You are capable to do your own research. We can watch literal lectures by these guys.
 

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This whole Calvinistic thing has caused so very much division in the Church. If it is true, how can ANY Christian tell the lost that there is a Great and Loving God who loves them? Maybe He does NOT love them, who am I to say? The whole thing has had me in tears more times I can count over the decades...it rears it's disturbing head and again, I get saddened because, that is not the God I always knew and loved. My biggest concern is my loved ones and friends, should I say to them that God MIGHT love or MIGHT hate them? This doctrine strips hope away. Who knows, maybe I am not saved AT ALL! No REAL hope. I have been over and over this doctrine since the early 1990's. When first reading a Calvinistic book (unbeknownst/ to me) I started to panic...do not remember exactly what it was but, God very quickly lead me to Galatians 5:10- It certainly isn't God, for he is the one who called you to freedom. This false teaching is like a little yeast that spreads through the whole batch of dough! I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty."
This was very childlike seeking on my part as I was a new baby Christian. I never just open up the bible randomly anymore but, that day I did and what I had written above was THE page and where my eyes landed. I was so , so relieved! My stance is firm. God Bless you all.
 

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the Bible seems to be written so that people reading it will find the particular, and specific, God they are looking for.
The Bible itself claims that every word in the Bible came from God --"combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words." as Apostle Paul states in 1Cor 2 and 2 Tim 3:16-17.

1 COR 2: 12-13 " 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words."

2 TIM 3: 25- 17 "15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
 

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...The important thing is that which the Spirit reveals!...
Then how is it that the Spirit has not revealed to you what is PLAINLY stated in Scripture -- that God desires the salvation of all mankind, therefore there cannot be any predestination unto salvation.

Every time the word predestined occurs in the New Testament, it is always about the perfection of the saints, never about the salvation of sinners.
 
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Seriously? Why you trying to pretend people don't have access to information? What is this the 13 century? got a computer? You are capable to do your own research. We can watch literal lectures by these guys.
Yez I'm asking which ones you have watched or read I don't think you've even read any of these guys tell me what books you've read I want you to tell me two or three things they teach and why you claim they're unbiblical that's what I'm asking you
 
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This whole Calvinistic thing has caused so very much division in the Church. If it is true, how can ANY Christian tell the lost that there is a Great and Loving God who loves them? Maybe He does NOT love them, who am I to say? The whole thing has had me in tears more times I can count over the decades...it rears it's disturbing head and again, I get saddened because, that is not the God I always knew and loved. My biggest concern is my loved ones and friends, should I say to them that God MIGHT love or MIGHT hate them? This doctrine strips hope away. Who knows, maybe I am not saved AT ALL! No REAL hope. I have been over and over this doctrine since the early 1990's. When first reading a Calvinistic book (unbeknownst/ to me) I started to panic...do not remember exactly what it was but, God very quickly lead me to Galatians 5:10- It certainly isn't God, for he is the one who called you to freedom. This false teaching is like a little yeast that spreads through the whole batch of dough! I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty."
This was very childlike seeking on my part as I was a new baby Christian. I never just open up the bible randomly anymore but, that day I did and what I had written above was THE page and where my eyes landed. I was so , so relieved! My stance is firm. God Bless you all.
Someone here suggested going all the way back to the source, and reading what John Calvin, himself, actually said and believed..... rather than letting much of the offshoots of his teachings get us too twisted-up.

I admit I have not done as much of that as I should with Calvin. But, I intend to soon rectify that.
 

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Then how is it that the Spirit has not revealed to you what is PLAINLY stated in Scripture -- that God desires the salvation of all mankind, therefore there cannot be any predestination unto salvation.

Every time the word predestined occurs in the New Testament, it is always about the perfection of the saints, never about the salvation of sinners.
An interesting thought. Thank you.
 

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Someone here suggested going all the way back to the source, and reading what John Calvin, himself, actually said and believed..... rather than letting much of the offshoots of his teachings get us too twisted-up.

I admit I have not done as much of that as I should with Calvin. But, I intend to soon rectify that.

From what I can remember reading of him long ago is that he wasn't a very kind man, although I know that does not mean he didn't have some useful and true things to say. But, to me then as well as now, in order to "prove" their L in TULIP, they really have to juggle the scriptures they use...again Willie...JMHO. ♥
 

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From what I can remember reading of him long ago is that he wasn't a very kind man, although I know that does not mean he didn't have some useful and true things to say. But, to me then as well as now, in order to "prove" their L in TULIP, they really have to juggle the scriptures they use...again Willie...JMHO. ♥
Yeah, I have read quite a bit "about" him also. But, very little "by" him. That is going to change.
 
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First realize that ALL the promises of God are yes in Jesus. This means they are NO to the broken off unbelievers. Based on this you need to reconsider that Pharisaic interpretations of the OT which is popular today. Also, Jesus refuted any physical kingdom ideas teaching a spiritual kingdom only. This means many of the literal prophecies are actually symbols of a greater reality. More to follow if interested.

I could very well be confusing the New Earth with The Kingdom Of Heaven-which yes, I believe is Spiritual, not physical. Or even the 1000 year reign of Christ - I know you believe that is now, and I wonder...do you think right now, on earth, is the "short time" that Satan will be loosed for awhile? When I think on this, it screws with the timing of events as I have learned them.
 

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Yeah, I have read quite a bit "about" him also. But, very little "by" him. That is going to change.

Good idea.
But to save me so much reading time which I now have...can you read it and then post here what he really said and taught?????? :D

Yes it's spelt L..A..Z..Y. lol
 
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We are plainly told to leave it I guess Nancy right

If you don't have it pressed down, shaken together, running over right now
then you don't have it yet I guess

You sound like a blab it grab it kinda guy here Mark, and I know you are not...and neither am I! As far as leaving it...just how does one do that unless they physically die? I understand that we are to be IN the world but not OF it...
 
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I could very well be confusing the New Earth with The Kingdom Of Heaven-which yes, I believe is Spiritual, not physical. Or even the 1000 year reign of Christ - I know you believe that is now, and I wonder...do you think right now, on earth, is the "short time" that Satan will be loosed for awhile? When I think on this, it screws with the timing of events as I have learned them.
I think we re living in the last half of Revelation 20 where Satan is loosed and rallying Gog and Magog into attaching the church. This is mostly spiritual but to a degree physical too. Contrary to popular belief, when Jesus returns it will be as in the days of Noah. Marrying and giving in marriage, business as usual. Much like today. His return is possible any time now.
 
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This speaks of now, Christ's return and about the new heavens and earth. The kingdom is eternal, not 1000 years long.

I was referring to the thousand year reign of Christ, I know the Kingdom Of God is eternal...
 

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I think we re living in the last half of Revelation 20 where Satan is loosed and rallying Gog and Magog into attaching the church. This is mostly spiritual but to a degree physical too. Contrary to popular belief, when Jesus returns it will be as in the days of Noah. Marrying and giving in marriage, business as usual. Much like today. His return is possible any time now.

I see an evil spirit behind every physical evil deed done. I know our warfare is not carnal but Spiritual...but, do you think that these earthly wars are directed through evil spirits who humans have allowed into their lives?
 

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I see an evil spirit behind every physical evil deed done. I know our warfare is not carnal but Spiritual...but, do you think that these earthly wars are directed through evil spirits who humans have allowed into their lives?
Not to mention, should a Christians warfare be done on our knees and not through human weapons?
 
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I see an evil spirit behind every physical evil deed done. I know our warfare is not carnal but Spiritual...but, do you think that these earthly wars are directed through evil spirits who humans have allowed into their lives?
Yes, but more so through false doctrines launched at the Church.
 
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Good idea.
But to save me so much reading time which I now have...can you read it and then post here what he really said and taught?????? :D

Yes it's spelt L..A..Z..Y. lol
That is what is already getting so many of us into trouble...… "I read that he said that They believe such and such."
 
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