Righteous is as righteous does.

[marks]

I came out so much to say it that I started a thread about it. You were just asking a mundane question. This is about reading comprehension. i find that many people here can't read...or have no real reading comprehension. Just look at some of the responses in the threads.

Is the lack of comprehension willful? Or is it indoctrination? Is it a lack of attention...A.D.D.?

Actually I just wanted to be crystal clear on what you were saying.

And there is once again no need to make this a opportunity to dish out personal insults.

Perhaps you are being willfully dull? Or have you just been brainwashed? Do you have some sort physical, or mental deficiency? Is that the problem? Don't know how to read?

That's how it plays out. Do you see this?

You made the statement, righteous is as righteous does. Personally, to me, that is a way to say something without really saying it.

So I will very clear.

Our righteousness is imputed from Jesus' righteousness, and our own righteous deeds have nothing to do with our being righteous.

We are saved - made righteous - by faith alone, not by works.

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

keep watching the thread. As soon as you mention the word "righteousness", you get religious statements (implanted by group think) that are partially true but deny reality

Seriously, I'm wondering what you think this will be.

Care to answer?

Much love!
Mark

 

[Episkopos]

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

That is part of the equation....but the righteous are not perfect, they sin at times. This is below the holiness standard of Christ.....which is to be as God the Father is in purity.

But even though the righteous sin...

Prov. 24:16 For though a righteous man falls seven times, he will get up, but the wicked will stumble into ruin.

But no amount of righteousness equals to holiness.

 

[Episkopos]

Our righteousness is imputed from Jesus' righteousness, and our own righteous deeds have nothing to do with our being righteous.

We are saved - made righteous - by faith alone, not by works.

Much love!
Mark

Seriously, I'm wondering what you think this will be.

Care to answer?

There...you answered your own question...taking one aspect of the truth to negate plain teaching which you are willing to throw out the window for something you desire to be the whole truth on the matter.

Faith without works is dead.

And you are not understanding how God's righteousness works. Even the way you are using imputed is not in the English language. So then you are a victim of group think....changing reality into a religious dogma that has no basis in either reality or truth.

God's righteousness doesn't eliminate all righteousness...it builds upon it. Otherwise there would never be a need for repentance ...since repentance is about a righteous appraisal of our own failures.

 

[marks]

Let's look at the nameless prostitute who wept before Jesus and washed His feet with her hair.....yes, THAT prostitute.

Notice that Jesus says...she is forgiven because she loved much. Who loved much? She did. Her love is what moved Jesus.

Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

It is what we DO that determines who we are.

Let's put this to the test.

Your statement is that what she did made her righteous.

But is that what Scripture says? Jesus said she was forgiven because she cried and kissed His feet, and washed Him with her hair, so I suppose you are right.

Wait. No, He said, her sins are forgiven for she loved much. So it wasn't her works, according to this passage.

You state, what we do determines who we are.

I would disagree with that, and say that are Creator determined what we are, and then gives us choices, and will remake us into something new if we want, and then that's what we are.

And then we act according to what we are. If we are sinners, we will sin. If we are righteous, we will do righteousness. And if we are Godly, we will love.

Basing the understanding of our salvation, righteousness, and works on this single passage falls short in my opinion.

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

I believe he is saying that what you say of others can apply to you as well.

He will correct me if I'm wrong.

That's correct.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Let's put this to the test.

Your statement is that what she did made her righteous.

But is that what Scripture says? Jesus said she was forgiven because she cried and kissed His feet, and washed Him with her hair, so I suppose you are right.

Wait. No, He said, her sins are forgiven for she loved much. So it wasn't her works, according to this passage.

You state, what we do determines who we are.

I would disagree with that, and say that are Creator determined what we are, and then gives us choices, and will remake us into something new if we want, and then that's what we are.

And then we act according to what we are. If we are sinners, we will sin. If we are righteous, we will do righteousness. And if we are Godly, we will love.

Basing the understanding of our salvation, righteousness, and works on this single passage falls short in my opinion.

Much love!
Mark

The passage is describing an action that justified her. Again I appeal to reading skills here. What did the woman DO? Did she just sit there and believe something? Or did she act? Did her faith have action or not?

 

[marks]

There...you answered your own question...

M question was what you thought, which is not a question I can answer.

You seem to be very adverse to answering questions, but that does not surprise me. I see that frequently.

Much love!
Mark

 

[Episkopos]

Unless our own righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees...that means DOING as we say we believe... then there is no hope for us. The Pharisees said things...but didn't follow it up with actions. If we do the same then our righteousness is just as theirs is.

How can our righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees. By DOING what is of faith.

Righteous is as righteous does.

 

[marks]

But no amount of righteousness equals to holiness.

Tell, please, at least to answer one question . . . directly . . . what to you is the difference between righteousness, and holiness?

Praytell?

 

[Episkopos]

M question was what you thought, which is not a question I can answer.

You seem to be very adverse to answering questions, but that does not surprise me. I see that frequently.

Much love!
Mark

I am talking to you but you aren't tracking. You aren't reading. I can't physically make you read what I'm writing. I don't know how else to communicate with you besides with writing...so then the weak link is your reading.

Re-read again...until you understand the point. And then re-read again if necessary. IF you have a specific question that I have not already addressed...then I will answer. But why should I re-post what you can read again for yourself?

Re-read again.

 

[Episkopos]

Tell, please, at least to answer one question . . . directly . . . what to you is the difference between righteousness, and holiness?

Praytell?

OK a good question.

Holiness is to enter into Christ and walk in HIS presence and power.

Righteousness is to do what is right with what one has been given. This is not a "Christian" thing...it is a basic honesty and love of others that all men can have.

The righteousness of God only works if you are walking IN holiness...without sin...so that you can do the same miraculous things as the followers of Christ. ONLY Christians who walk as Jesus walked have this level of righteousness.

 

[marks]

@Episkopos,

You do not need to answer my questions to you.

I understand that you preach a "works holiness" sort of doctrine, and set your own personal holiness above the others. Certainly above mine! Is that not true? Can you freely and openly admit to that?

You believe you are more righteous than I? More holy then me?

Is this what you think?

This is all a big competition to see who can look the best?

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

OK a good question.

Holiness is to enter into Christ and walk in HIS presence and power.

Righteousness is to do what is right with what one has been given.

The righteousness of God only works if you are walking IN holiness...without sin...so that you can do the same miraculous things as the followers of Christ.

Now. Can you post Scriptures that teach this? Or is this only your doctrine?

 

[Episkopos]

Now. Can you post Scriptures that teach this? Or is this only your doctrine?

The whole bible testifies of these things. But if you throw out one verse when you see another...you are bouncing around without learning anything.

Do a study on righteousness using a concordance.

For instance...Jesus did NOT come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.

If you think that means the "self" righteous...then you will be unable to learn anything by your study.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Faith without works is dead.

Would agree. Faith without (works)fruit of the Spirit is dead. Words without Life(Spirit) are dead.

 

[marks]

I am talking to you but you aren't tracking. You aren't reading. I can't physically make you read what I'm writing. I don't know how else to communicate with you besides with writing...so then the weak link is your reading.

Re-read again...until you understand the point. And then re-read again if necessary. IF you have a specific question that I have not already addressed...then I will answer. But why should I re-post what you can read again for yourself?

Re-read again.

OK. Perhaps you may wish take your own suggestion, probibly not, but just the same . . .

I had asked what you thought the responses would be. You have not answered such a simple question, not to mention others. But let's take this one for example.

Rather then deflect this away from yourself by saying over and over, you've answer, But I'm not getting it, you have not anwsered. Just saying over and over, but I have! I have!

Much love!
Mark

 

[marks]

The whole bible testifies of these things. But if you throw out one verse when you see another...you are bouncing around without learning anything.

Do a study on righteousness using a concordance.

For instance...Jesus did NOT come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.

If you think that means the "self" righteous...then you will be unable to learn anything by your study.

So that would be a NO.

 

[Episkopos]

OK. Perhaps you may wish take your own suggestion, probibly not, but just the same . . .

I had asked what you thought the responses would be. You have not answered such a simple question, not to mention others. But let's take this one for example.

Rather then deflect this away from yourself by saying over and over, you've answer, But I'm not getting it, you have not anwsered. Just saying over and over, but I have! I have!

Much love!
Mark

What are you speaking of?

 

[marks]

Holiness is to enter into Christ and walk in HIS presence and power.

Perhaps if we simply . . . Let's take just this one. Can you post a single verse of the Bible that tells us this? Even one?

The issue here is in using non-Biblical language and thought we come to non-Biblical conclusions.

You can define "holiness" this way, but does the Bible?

Much love!
Mark

 

[Episkopos]

So that would be a NO.

Did you read the line where I said..."for instance" giving you an example?????