Please Settle This Debate Between Phoneman777 And Bread of Life

[bbyrd009]

The Roman catholic church is a deadly pagan tree fungus which began attacking that which Jesus Christ planted, watered, and prospered...which eventually resulted in the transplant of His tree in a new orchard - Protestantism.

The king is dead, long live the king

 

[bbyrd009]

Calling him "Dead Bread" or "Dread of Life" certainly isn't helping your case. It helps as much as him calling others, "Einstein" or "Genius". Just saying...

Bread of Life has explained several times why he believes calling the entire Catholic Church the RDC is wrong. His reasons (in this case) are sound and appear by my research to be correct. There appear to be around 22 sects, divisions or as he calls the "rites", of which the RDC is only one of them.

From there, my memory or knowledge gets foggy, because it appears that all are supposed to be equal... But all others concede to what the Roman rite says if and when there is an issue to be resolved. I suppose (if it's true) it's because it is the oldest. Unless there is an Antioch rite, this is probably true. Paul certainly gave Rome it's first sense of organization and I do believe there is reasonable evidence to believe Peter arrived there later.

Now, I am by no means endorsing the Catholic Church, Roman Catholic Church or any of it's other rites. And if you think I am running to Bread of Life's defense because I like him sooooo much, that certainly isn't the case either. I am simply looking at the facts and coming to a conclusion. My conclusion is that Bread of Life is correct.

But I ask....

Why is it such a big deal either way? That I don't get. If you say, "Well... The RDC says this", and BOL objects to the term "Roman", does it change your point to simply say, "Catholic" and leave Rome out of it?

Likewise, is it really that big of a deal to note the RDC in the first place when it's obviously the biggest brand (rite)? It's kind of become like the term "Kleenex" or "Coke"... You may be wanting a facial tissue or cola... And any one will do, but you ask for a Kleenex or Coke...

So yes, technically Bread of Life is correct. Out of respect, I honor his request to differentiate between the two. That is, when I do because I rarely even utter the word "Catholic". I only do so when absolutely necessary and almost all the time it's in historical conversations.

I have a feeling this entire controversy is more knit picking than anything else. Bread of Life likes to jump on the issue to chide those who use it. Folks who call everything Catholic "Roman" may be doing it out of habit at first, but appear to be doing more to tick him off.

So again, my conclusions:

1. Bread of Life is right. RDC is just one of many rites in the Catholic Church.
2. It really doesn't matter a whole lot. It is illogical to get upset by it either way. Unless you are looking at the differences between the Roman, Byzantine and Chinese rites, who cares? The only ones who really care are those who are looking to stir up trouble.

ty
22 is an interesting number of perpetual splinters for the Catholic Church though, huh? Guess I'd have to dig up the ref though, forgotten it myself lol

 

[bbyrd009]

I was raised Catholic. Lapsed. Was saved by the lord. Walked in the wilderness of protestantism for 10 years....then the Lord called us out of the system.

wouldn't those be camps in the world, not wilderness? I hear it used that way, tempting but deceptive imo

 

[bbyrd009]

Seriously why so much hate

a sure indication that beliefs have been given primacy over faith, imo, not meaning to be condescending or anything though. Guess Paul could have said it better

 

[historyb]

I think it's pride that makes the hatred here work, imo

 

[Marymog]

It does not matter. False Christianity is False Christianity.

Hi Enoch,

Since you know the Catholic Church has false teachings it only stands to reason YOU know what a false teaching is and what is not a false teaching.

Sooooo which Church does not teach false things?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Here you are, Papist Bread. Took me all of two minutes to find it.
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Soooooo a man by the name of Ignatius Loyola wrote something in a book and that makes it Catholic Doctrine????

Curious Mary

 

[Enoch111]

Sooooo which Church does not teach false things?

Almost every Christian denomination or group has deviated from Gospel truth and Bible truth. But the RCC teaches "another gospel".

According to your church: SALVATION = FAITH IN CHRIST + THE SACRAMENTS + THE CHURCH + VENERATION OF MARY + PRAYING OUT OF PURGATORY +...(YOU CAN ADD A FEW OTHER THINGS)

 

[BreadOfLife]

ty
22 is an interesting number of perpetual splinters for the Catholic Church though, huh? Guess I'd have to dig up the ref though, forgotten it myself lol

Do you even understand what "perpetual" means??
The splintering that goes on in Protestantism IS perpetual because it never stops - it just keeps splintering.

The Liturgical Rites of the Catholic Church is largely cultural traditions - not doctrinal divisions like you have among the Protestant sects.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Almost every Christian denomination or group has deviated from Gospel truth and Bible truth. But the RCC teaches "another gospel".

According to your church: SALVATION = FAITH IN CHRIST + THE SACRAMENTS + THE CHURCH + VENERATION OF MARY + PRAYING OUT OF PURGATORY +...(YOU CAN ADD A FEW OTHER THINGS)

This is absolutely false - and just another example of why you anti-Catholics have to LIE to make your arguments.

NOWHERE does the Catholic Church teach that veneration of Mary "Saves" you.
NOWHERE does the Catholic Church teach that praying for the souls in Purgatory "Saves" you.

As for faith in Christ - absolutely.

As for the Church - we are saved by God's grace from the blood of Christ - but we are saved THROUGH
His Church which He equates his very SELF with (Acts 9:4-5) and which Paul refers to as the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
The Sacraments AID us in this endeavor.

Do your homework before you respond . . .

 

[Marymog]

Almost every Christian denomination or group has deviated from Gospel truth and Bible truth. But the RCC teaches "another gospel".

According to your church: SALVATION = FAITH IN CHRIST + THE SACRAMENTS + THE CHURCH + VENERATION OF MARY + PRAYING OUT OF PURGATORY +...(YOU CAN ADD A FEW OTHER THINGS)

I see that you are re-affirming that you know who has deviated from the truth of the bible.

Since YOU know that "almost every Christian denomination" has done this which one has not done it?

You know the Truth soooo please reveal it to us.

Patient Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you even understand what "perpetual" means??
The splintering that goes on in Protestantism IS perpetual because it never stops - it just keeps splintering.

The Liturgical Rites of the Catholic Church is largely cultural traditions - not doctrinal divisions like you have among the Protestant sects.

oh, of course that's totally different lol, yes, ty.

Do you even understand what "hypocrite" means, BoL?

 

[bbyrd009]

22 - Cursing

1. 22,000 Levites in 2nd year of Exodus; Jair judged Israel 22 yr. while Israel did evil and was cursed (Judg. 10:3).
2. Jeroboam, who rebelled against Rehoboam, reigned 22 yr. (1 Ki 14:20).
3. Ahab ruled Israel 22 yr. (1 Ki. 16:29).

 

[BreadOfLife]

oh, of course that's totally different lol, yes, ty.

Do you even understand what "hypocrite" means, BoL?

Sure - how does it pertain to me?
I don't think YOU know what it means.

 

[Enoch111]

NOWHERE does the Catholic Church teach that veneration of Mary "Saves" you.

I quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Sections 966, 969:
'In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death...Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."'

Since salvation is the deliverance of our souls from the second death, the RCC makes Mary responsible for our salvation. And as Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix, Mary has taken the rightful place of Christ, the one Mediator between God and men.

So non-Catholics -- in your estimation -- are always "lying" when they expose the lies of the Catholic Church!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Sections 966, 969:
'In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death...Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."'

Since salvation is the deliverance of our souls from the second death, the RCC makes Mary responsible for our salvation. And as Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix, Mary has taken the rightful place of Christ, the one Mediator between God and men.

So non-Catholics -- in your estimation -- are always "lying" when they expose the lies of the Catholic Church!

Your dishonesty continues . . .

YOU said that OUR veneration of Mary is what was necessary for salvation. You LIED.

What YOU just posted states that we believe that the intercessory prayers of Mary - and the saints in Heaven as well as those here on earth are efficacious.

BIG difference and COMPLETELY Biblical . . .

 

[CoreIssue]

One interesting observation. The Catholics are climbing all over this thread. But refuse to address Roman Catholicism thread.

They do not want to see proof. They just want to be able to attack anyone who calls Catholicism what is, a cult.

 

[BreadOfLife]

One interesting observation. The Catholics are climbing all over this thread. But refuse to address Roman Catholicism thread.

They do not want to see proof. They just want to be able to attack anyone who calls Catholicism what is, a cult.

Interesting observation:
Nobody is "refusing" to address that thread. It's just that you keep posting videos because you can't articulate anything.

Your moronic "Roman Catholicism" thread just died out - like your pathetic online forum did . . .

 

[aspen]

Our papist friend Bread of Life whom Phoneman777 affectionately calls "Dead Bread" (to remind him that the Eucharist wafer is as so completely and absolutely useless as ropes of sand) constantly ridicules and criticizes we Protestant members here in CB who use the phrase "Roman Catholic Church" to refer to what Dead Bread insists should be called the "catholic church" because, according to Dead Bread, the catholic church has never recognized or sanctioned the use of the phrase in reference to itself, and therefore we Protestants are unwittingly publicly humiliating ourselves by use of it.

Phoneman777 submitted for our approval the following evidence, an excerpt from a 1950 encyclical from Pope Pius XII in which he wrote:

"22. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the MYSTICAL BODY OF CHRIST and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH are one and the same thing."
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It should be clear to anyone reading that with their eyes open that Pius XII just declared in no uncertain terms that the phrase "the mystical body of Christ" -- a clear, unmistakable reference to the entire global planetary fellowship of Christian believers -- and the phrase "Roman Catholic Church" are synonymous. Dead Bread denies this.

What say YOU?

You are what you are speaking from - I am considering the source when I read your gaseous posts.

I believe the issue is now settled
My work is done

 

[CoreIssue]

Interesting observation:
Nobody is "refusing" to address that thread. It's just that you keep posting videos because you can't articulate anything.

Your moronic "Roman Catholicism" thread just died out - like your pathetic online forum did . . .

That is an excuse.

Still getting posts and currently at 183.