Atheist objections to evidence for God's existence

[Vince]

Vince,

You won't accept the evidence God has provided for His existence (Rom 1:18-20; Psalm 19:1-6).

If his evidence is look at the trees, then no that is insufficient.

At death, you will stand before God with 'no excuse'. Your claim, 'Show me evidence God exists', falls flat before the Lord God who has given you all the evidence you need to acknowledge the one true God.

Well then he did a pretty crappy job of it. I bet if I asked most people here if there could be any evidence that could change their mind on the existence of god most would say no. I am not saying that for the existence of god. If there is sufficient evidence to convince me then I would believe and go from there.

 

[Vince]

Vince,

It won't stop me from praying for God to soften your heart, but the more we interact, the more I'm convinced Hebrews 6:4-6 applies to you and there is no way back to the God you once knew.

Once again you ignore anything I have said. Why won't you address my objections to your articles on the reliability of the bible?

 

[Nancy]

Once again you ignore anything I have said. Why won't you address my objections to your articles on the reliability of the bible?

I don't think any person can give you enough evidence for God. Maybe the Calvinists are right after all, and God creates some FOR hell and some FOR eternal life with Him. I don't believe that and, if somebody comes along "seeking" Him and is taught limited atonement-it could strip them of any hope if they are weak in their faith.
You say you stayed in "Church" for some years. What kept you going back to Church? There must have been something that attracted you to Christianity in the first place?

 

[Dave L]

I don't think any person can give you enough evidence for God. Maybe the Calvinists are right after all, and God creates some FOR hell and some FOR eternal life with Him. I don't believe that and, if somebody comes along "seeking" Him and is taught limited atonement-it could strip them of any hope if they are weak in their faith.
You say you stayed in "Church" for some years. What kept you going back to Church? There must have been something that attracted you to Christianity in the first place?

I don't think this fairly depicts Calvinists. But don't worry about "turning anyone off" to Christ. Jesus said all the Father gave to him will come to him. He also said any tree not planted by his father will be uprooted.

 

[Vince]

I don't think any person can give you enough evidence for God. Maybe the Calvinists are right after all, and God creates some FOR hell and some FOR eternal life with Him. I don't believe that and, if somebody comes along "seeking" Him and is taught limited atonement-it could strip them of any hope if they are weak in their faith.

I am open to evidence. Do you think god could provide the evidence I would need to believe?

The truth is that Calvinism and Arminianism are taught in the bible. This is evidence that the bible is contradictory, they cannot both be true at the same time. The debate on this forum about the topic proves that the bible is unclear on this issue.

You say you stayed in "Church" for some years. What kept you going back to Church? There must have been something that attracted you to Christianity in the first place?

I was convinced god existed based on insufficient evidence. My reasons were other people I trusted believed, I had a dream that god talked to me, I based it on emotion and feelings, I believed the eyewitness testimony given in the bible of the resurrection and I believed some apologetic's. After proper scrutiny I found that all of these evidences fall short and are not reliable to conclude a god exists. I did not choose to believe god existed I was convinced of the evidence I thought was sufficient at the time, I later concluded that the evidence was flawed and insufficient and stopped being convinced.

 

[Dave L]

I am open to evidence. Do you think god could provide the evidence I would need to believe?

The truth is that Calvinism and Arminianism are taught in the bible. This is evidence that the bible is contradictory, they cannot both be true at the same time. The debate on this forum about the topic proves that the bible is unclear on this issue.

I was convinced god existed based on insufficient evidence. My reasons were other people I trusted believed, I had a dream that god talked to me, I based it on emotion and feelings, I believed the eyewitness testimony given in the bible of the resurrection and I believed some apologetic's. After proper scrutiny I found that all of these evidences fall short and are not reliable to conclude a god exists. I did not choose to believe god existed I was convinced of the evidence I thought was sufficient at the time, I later concluded that the evidence was flawed and insufficient and stopped being convinced.

People cannot find salvation based on evidence God exists. It doesn't work that way. God chooses whom he will save, saves them through the new birth so they can experience his presence and believe based on that.

 

[Nancy]

I am open to evidence. Do you think god could provide the evidence I would need to believe?

The truth is that Calvinism and Arminianism are taught in the bible. This is evidence that the bible is contradictory, they cannot both be true at the same time. The debate on this forum about the topic proves that the bible is unclear on this issue.

I was convinced god existed based on insufficient evidence. My reasons were other people I trusted believed, I had a dream that god talked to me, I based it on emotion and feelings, I believed the eyewitness testimony given in the bible of the resurrection and I believed some apologetic's. After proper scrutiny I found that all of these evidences fall short and are not reliable to conclude a god exists. I did not choose to believe god existed I was convinced of the evidence I thought was sufficient at the time, I later concluded that the evidence was flawed and insufficient and stopped being convinced.

I see. Well, I hope you find evidence that would convince you but, I wouldn't count on that

 

[Vince]

People cannot find salvation based on evidence God exists. It doesn't work that way. God chooses whom he will save, saves them through the new birth so they can experience his presence and believe based on that.

So some people he makes sinners of them with no fault of their own through original sin and then punishes them for eternity for this sin.

 

[Vince]

I see. Well, I hope you find evidence that would convince you but, I wouldn't count on that

Why? Can't god provide this evidence to me?

 

[Dave L]

So some people he makes sinners of them with no fault of their own through original sin and then punishes them for eternity for this sin.

This is true but in a different way. God tested humanity in Adam. And when Adam failed, all failed being proven a corrupt species. So God created this knowing the outcome. He then arbitrarily chose a bunch from among the rejects and represented them himself in Christ. So now judging them on Christ's merits, just as he had previously judged them on Adam's merits.

 

[Nancy]

Why? Can't god provide this evidence to me?

Well, God does not HAVE to prove Himself to anyone, He just is - and without faith it is impossible to please Him. So, I don't think He even COULD be "proven" through carnal means or men's apologetic s. He has proven His promises are always true and He has proven Himself faithful to me but then, that means nothing to you and I understand that. I suppose that is why some call it a "personal relationship". I had a lot of pride and
stubbornness and, still do wrestle with a bit of that from time to time but...nothing at all like it used to be.

 

[Vince]

This is true but in a different way. God tested humanity in Adam. And when Adam failed, all failed being proven a corrupt species. So God created this knowing the outcome. He then arbitrarily chose a bunch from among the rejects and represented them himself in Christ. So now judging them on Christ's merits, just as he had previously judged them on Adam's merits.

I still am condemned apparently for nothing I have done but for what someone did long ago. I would never punish my son for what my grandfather did, I bet you wouldn't either. You and I have better morals than god does.

 

[Dave L]

I still am condemned apparently for nothing I have done but for what someone did long ago. I would never punish my son for what my grandfather did, I bet you wouldn't either. You and I have better morals than god does.

You were found a defective species in Adam.

 

[Vince]

Well, God does not HAVE to prove Himself to anyone, He just is - and without faith it is impossible to please Him. So, I don't think He even COULD be "proven" through carnal means or men's apologetic s. He has proven His promises are always true and He has proven Himself faithful to me but then, that means nothing to you and I understand that. I suppose that is why some call it a "personal relationship". I had a lot of pride and
stubbornness and, still do wrestle with a bit of that from time to time but...nothing at all like it used to be.

Does god desire all to be saved?

This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. And for this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. 1 Tim 2:3-7.

 

[Vince]

You were found a defective species in Adam.

That god created and new would be defective.

 

[Dave L]

That god created and new would be defective.

This is true.

 

[Vince]

This is true.

How is god good then if he created some specifically for eternal punishment?

 

[Dave L]

How is god good then if he created some specifically for eternal punishment?

He would be bad if he did not punish sin.

 

[Vince]

He would be bad if he did not punish sin.

You just admitted that he created some people with sin to punish them eternally and then god would not be good if he did not punish them for their sin he gave to them. A good god or person would not do this.

 

[Dave L]

You just admitted that he created some people with sin to punish them eternally and then god would not be good if he did not punish them for their sin he gave to them. A good god or person would not do this.

You are close, but it says God created all for his good pleasure and for his glory. You cannot know the truth about God apart from sin. You will have a lopsided view without sin.