The cycle of abuse

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tzcho2

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Gotta say I still learned stuff from her though
Yes, I guess that's how the false teachers getcha, they have read the Bible, they mix truth with falsehood. It isn't purposeful deception, though, Meiers wouldn't see herself as a false teacher, neither does Hinn or any of that genre.
 

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Like I said, I didn't invent the idea there is simply no good or evil (Other that it being a mind set) I ripped that out of Genesis. Although I've yet to meet one Christian who can grapple with the paradox.

Oh, you're saying that GOD said there is no good or evil? But what we were talking about was you thinking I wasn't showing you love. My response was - I don't know if I'm showing you love or not. You haven't told me what showing love looks like to you. But you have some concept of what you think it looks like or else you wouldn't have accused me of not showing it.
 

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If that's your faith position, then that's your faith position.

But you don't know what my faith position is. You just assume what it is, based on other men you've met.

That's how we see this having moved from you thinking I'm harassing you to be a certain way and do certain things (which I haven't done, though others may have) to you actually chiding ME for not acting a certain way or doing certain things.
 

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One of my favorite things about a day off is taking a nap for an hour if I feel tired, so I'm going to take a nap. Real excited about it!

But I want to say something first. I've become quite fond of you, JJ. And it occurs to me that when I say things like...I don't think you have the IQ to attempt what you are attempting - that you might think I am also saying I think I DO have the IQ, which is absolutely not true. So just thought I should clear that up.

Nap time! :)
 

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Oh, you're saying that GOD said there is no good or evil? But what we were talking about was you thinking I wasn't showing you love. My response was - I don't know if I'm showing you love or not. You haven't told me what showing love looks like to you. But you have some concept of what you think it looks like or else you wouldn't have accused me of not showing it.
What does love look like? Hmm, Corinthians 13 is most likely very close to the idea of practicing love. Although you know what I think love really is?

A frequency.
 

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But you don't know what my faith position is. You just assume what it is, based on other men you've met.

That's how we see this having moved from you thinking I'm harassing you to be a certain way and do certain things (which I haven't done, though others may have) to you actually chiding ME for not acting a certain way or doing certain things.
Do you actually agree with anything I say? Do you think that out of the 100% of the things I've said on this forum so far, that my ideas are all incorrect?

Could I actually be that wrong?
 

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What Joyce Meyer's father did to her as a child is pale in comparison to what her teaching does to people today. She has millions of mind's in her hands, young and old alike. The way I see it, is that she is up on the pulpit claiming she talks on the behalf of the Almighty God. She's a true blue believer, and she's gonna get your mind set straight with God.

How is she not abusing people with her theology, that's what I wonder. I used to watch her religiously (You know what I mean) but after some time she ended up like a snake oil salesmen.

I find her arrogance insufferable and her loud, raspy voice, annoying.
 

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What does love look like? Hmm, Corinthians 13 is most likely very close to the idea of practicing love. Although you know what I think love really is?

A frequency.

Okay, progress! (Can't use the frequency because I don't know what you mean by it. But if Corinthians 13 is a pretty good approximation of showing love, we can go with that.)

So then, if you think I'm not showing you love, and you agree this passage is a pretty close treatise, you would be saying this:

Jennie has been very impatient and unkind with me. She has been very envious and has been boastful and very proud. She has greatly dishonored me. She's all about herself, very self-seeking. She is very touchy and quickly flies off the handle in anger. She can't forgive and keeps a record of everything wrong I ever said or did to her. She delights in everything evil and hates the truth. She never protects anyone and she's very distrustful of everyone. She has no hope and is very negative. She never perserveres but just always gives up trying to speak with others or come to a good place with them.

Its okay if that is what you think about me. But, I don't think it is.
 
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Pentecostalism is a recent invention far removed from historic Christianity. And it has highly questionable characters at its roots. It's the last place I look for solid teaching.

Well, there's Pentecostalism and then there's Pentecostalism, Dave. I know Pentecostals who know the Bible better than a lot of Baptists but, often, the younger breed of Pentecostals are looking for sensationalism and eschew Bible-reading which is the only way to get any kind of discipline in the movement.
 
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Well, there's Pentecostalism and then there's Pentecostalism, Dave. I know Pentecostals who know the Bible better than a lot of Baptists but, often, the younger breed of Pentecostals are looking for sensationalism and eschew Bible-reading which is the only way to get any kind of discipline in the movement.
The Pentecostals do not know the bible or they would not be Pentecostals.
 

stunnedbygrace

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Do you actually agree with anything I say? Do you think that out of the 100% of the things I've said on this forum so far, that my ideas are all incorrect?

Could I actually be that wrong?

How could you possibly come to that conclusion...?? Just this morning I agreed with you on a post and hit like for it.

This will really blow your mind then - I agree more with you than I do with most of the Christians I run across. You just can't see it because your preconceived notions of me are in the way.
 
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That's a pretty harsh statement, Dave. What makes you say that?
Trace their origins in the early 1900s and the seedy characters who developed their beliefs. And then ask, if this is from God, why wouldn't the Church be doing all of this?
 

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Okay, progress! (Can't use the frequency because I don't know what you mean by it. But if Corinthians 13 is a pretty good approximation of showing love, we can go with that.)

So then, if you think I'm not showing you love, and you agree this passage is a pretty close treatise, you would be saying this:

Jennie has been very impatient and unkind with me. She has been very envious and has been boastful and very proud. She has greatly dishonored me. She's all about herself, very self-seeking. She is very touchy and quickly flies off the handle in anger. She can't forgive and keeps a record of everything wrong I ever said or did to her. She delights in everything evil and hates the truth. She never protects anyone and she's very distrustful of everyone. She has no hope and is very negative. She never perserveres but just always gives up trying to speak with others or come to a good place with them.

Its okay if that is what you think about me. But, I don't think it is.
We all come from that place, don't we.

That your God says we all start off that way, but with him he'll turns us up the right way.
 

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Trace their origins in the early 1900s and the seedy characters who developed their beliefs. And then ask, if this is from God, why wouldn't the Church be doing all of this?

I have been in Bible studies with Pentecostals and Charismatics (in addition to Baptists, Anglicans, even an RC or two, etc.) While we might disagree over doctrine taught by one or another denomination, we rarely have had a problem in determining what any passage of Scripture means. The Bible is the source of unity among all believers--false teaching appears to be the source of all disunity. (see, 1 Corinthians 11:19).
 

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If I could have one wish right now it would be to say, bippity boppity boo, tabula rasa, and erase everything from your mind, JJ, and start fresh, so you could go forth but without the things that are hindering you. But I can't and so you will have to do the hard work of examining your preconceived notions and prejudices. AND, you will have to do it WHILE dodging the ones who come in here who actually reinforce your errors by their nastiness.
 
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I have been in Bible studies with Pentecostals and Charismatics (in addition to Baptists, Anglicans, even an RC or two, etc.) While we might disagree over doctrine taught by one or another denomination, we rarely have had a problem in determining what any passage of Scripture means. The Bible is the source of unity among all believers--false teaching appears to be the source of all disunity. (see, 1 Corinthians 11:19).
Have you ever noticed each denomination revolves around the errors that divide them from the rest of the body of Christ?
 
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stunnedbygrace

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We all come from that place, don't we.

That your God says we all start off that way, but with him he'll turns us up the right way.

Um...yes, we all start that way, although some people are just naturally more kind than I ever was.

But my question was if you think that's a fairly accurate description of what you've seen of me, the paragraph I wrote. As I said, its okay if you say yes and you really do see Mr that way, but I don't think you will.

Was the paragraph an accurate description of what you've seen and how I've treated you?