Divorce and Remarriage

[marks]

I have a question for everyone - I hope that it's answered. I need the wisdom of Solomon. "In a multitude of counselors there is safety." We had family members stay with us a short time. They had bought a house and the owners had left their dog without food or water so our family members cared for the dog. They had to leave for business and traveled to the opposite coast. They left their dog. My husband was walking it outside in our yard and a neighbor's cat was in our yard and the dog attacked it. (It's not the first time the Rottweiler attacked another small dog) The neighbor demanded that we get the dog out of the neighborhood. Every dog we've ever had was a hunter. Our dogs all attacked chickens, birds, rabbits, and one time another dog. My cat was killed by a neighbor's dog; dogs attack cats. We know that after the fall sin entered.

To appease the neighbors because they've been good friends, my husband drove the dog halfway across the country and the relative drove the other half to take the dog. Both incurred expensive tolls and used many tanks of gas. That wasn't good enough. Our neighbor marched over and handed us a hefty bill for the vet. I've spoken with others who have said that since the dog was being walked in our yard and we weren't at fault or even on a public sidewalk that we shouldn't pay anything - the cat was in our yard. My husband asked the neighbor if she thinks we should pay the entire bill since the cat was in our yard and she said that we are responsible for the vet bill because they "can't keep their cat in their yard." That's not our fault though. Others have said that they chose to let their cat roam the neighborhood and it's not our fault that their cat was in our yard; we weren't doing anything wrong.

It's really a sticky situation. Our neighbors have been great friends but I'm wondering who is really culpable. I told the neighbor that their cat was in our yard. She said that we were lucky that they didn't take it to court and have the dog euthanized and said that it will "ruin a friendship if we don't pay the hefty vet bill."

I don't like the fact that she's telling me that our friendship hinges on us paying their vet bill. That's manipulative IMO. I told her that my husband left me here without transportation alone when I was really sick to appease them, spending hundreds on gas and tolls and that no matter what we do they demand more. I can't even afford the medical care that I need since it's very expensive. They know that I have heavy medical issues and I told them that they don't care that they're putting pressure on me that they're only worried about money. It reminds me of the saying: "And those who cried Appease! Appease! Were hanged by those they tried to please." No matter what we're forced to spend or do they want more - and the cat was trespassing in our yard. What a sticky situation.

They aren't Christians. Can I get everyones feedback on how they would handle this in a godly manner?

If you have the money, pay the vet bill as a testimony to them.

I'm in the middle of an inheritance which the executor isn't handling right, but I will sooner receive $0 than put the relationship at risk.

Unbelievers may take advantage of our good will, just the same, I believe this is the will of our Father in heaven.

If you can't afford the bill, maybe offer them something towards it.

But money is one of the least of things in God's eyes.

I always love the story of King Amaziah. He hired Israel mercenaries, but the prophet told him not to. "What about the 1000 talents I've already paid?" The prophet answered for the Lord, "Don't you know I have much more than that I can give to you?"

You can be gracious about it. Yeah, it sounds like they don't deserve it, but neither did I.

Take this with a grain of salt. Remember the many counselors thing.

Much love!
Mark

Edit to add . . . the more I read through the thread, the less certain I am . . .

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If you have the money, pay the vet bill as a testimony to them.

I'm in the middle of an inheritance which the executor isn't handling right, but I will sooner receive $0 than put the relationship at risk.

Unbelievers may take advantage of our good will, just the same, I believe this is the will of our Father in heaven.

If you can't afford the bill, maybe offer them something towards it.

But money is one of the least of things in God's eyes.

I always love the story of King Amaziah. He hired Israel mercenaries, but the prophet told him not to. "What about the 1000 talents I've already paid?" The prophet answered for the Lord, "Don't you know I have much more than that I can give to you?"

You can be gracious about it. Yeah, it sounds like they don't deserve it, but neither did I.

Take this with a grain of salt. Remember the many counselors thing.

Much love!
Mark

Edit to add . . . the more I read through the thread, the less certain I am . . .

Yes, that's how it works, doesn't it. The more you consider it, the more you find yourself leaning this way and that.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes, that's how it works, doesn't it. The more you consider it, the more you find yourself leaning this way and that.

It’s how we learn obedience

 

[marks]

Yes, that's how it works, doesn't it. The more you consider it, the more you find yourself leaning this way and that.

It's times like this, pray for wisdom from God, and then know - as a fact - that you have His wisdom on this matter. Give it careful consideration. Read the passage in James about the wisdom that is from above. Any other passages that come to mind or that God puts in front of you.

Be honest with yourself about your personal issues with the matter.

Then make your best choice knowing - as a fact - that you are choosing with Godly wisdom.

God promises to give wisdom to those who ask and not doubt. So ask, and assume He gives.

Much love!
Mark

 

[Kermos]

So Dave. Are you a believer in OSAS I can't remember?

If "Gods law " is that marriage lasts until death...then every single Christian when backslidden or whatever is still heaven bound?
After all. " Marriage is until death"
God calls Himself Husband in the word. He talks about Israel's 'adultery' in the word.


FYI I do not agree with you on this subject. It is harsh and legalistic.
How can we just judge any given situation without knowing all the inner details of the reasons why.

You are a 'blanket statement' man.

I hope you own walk is perfect...it better be.
Ever looked at a young girl and lusted .
Are you really honestly forgiving to everyone..
You never ever blur the lines...

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." Jesus Christ (John 14:15)

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me." Jesus Christ (John 14:23-24)

"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day." Jesus Christ (John 12:48)

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter]. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall." Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-27)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses the love, authority, importance, relevance, and impact of Lord Jesus' words!

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus Christ (John 3:3)

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." Jesus Christ (John 3:5-8)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses that a person MUST be born of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God!

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." Jesus Christ (John 6:29)

And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
When the disciples heard [this], they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"
And looking at [them] Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
(Matthew 19:23-26)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses a person faith/belief in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a work of God!

"I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged." Jesus Christ (John 16:7-11)

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; [that is] the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, [but] you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." Jesus Christ (John 14:16-18)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses the ourpouring of God's Holy Spirit in us believers!

"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." Jesus Christ (John 3:21)

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn [bushes] nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits." Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:15-20)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses that we believers exhibit fruit of the Spirit of God (not fruit of man), the fruit is consistent with the words of Lord Jesus the Anointed!

ByGrace, it is Lord Jesus Christ that stated:

"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for [the] reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 5:27-32)

So, ByGrace, you termed DaveL legalistic for citing the words of Jesus the Lord! DaveL did NOT attempt to persuade people with wrongful authority to revert to the Old Covenant which is obsolete because of the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13) which includes the words of Jesus - even those words recorded by the Apostle Matthew about divorce (Matthew 5:31-32)!

Butterfly, Jesus our Lord said divorce is permissible for unchastity; moreover, Jesus did NOT say that a person can remarry (scripture does indicate that upon the death of the spouse remarriage is A-OK). Based on what you wrote, I would say that your fruit exhibited is consistent with the words of Jesus. I am just a wretched sinner redeemed by a gracious Savior and God, Butterfly, and I do not mean this to be judgemental, rather, I hope you find it comforting!

stunnedbygrace, according to your posts in this thread, you seem to believe that abiding the words of Jesus equates to a "default back to the letter" (post #15 in this thread). Jesus the Lord expresses the value of abiding Jesus' words. Fruit of the Spirit of God is precisely that - the Holy Spirit's fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), and the Spirit of God is the revealer of meaning of scripture (2 Peter 1:20-21). Your posts seem to try to diminish the very words of Jesus Christ recorded by the Apostle Matthew about divorce (Matthew 5:31-32). Marriage is a picture of Christ and His Bride, and even this fact is spiritually discerned. A person who remarries after divorce is CLEARLY opposing the words of Jesus - not only is adultery sinful - not only is looking at a woman with lust for her committing adultery WITH her (notice the word "with" thus expressing that she is guilty of sin too - relating to modesty) - remarriage is sinful because it defiles that person's witness of the consumation of all things!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm back. Have a few before I absolutely have to get jumping.

So, instead of focusing on what would be right or wrong in response to your neighbor, I think talking about warfare, what it is, what tactics Satan uses, how we engage, these might be more helpful right now.

When I'm in warfare, when fiery darts are being shot at me, as strange as it seems, I often don't KNOW I'm in warfare. Its mostly because I can't see his subtlety and wiles. We think we'll see it quite easily, but he is much more crafty and subtle than we give him credit for. I mean, look at the garden. He convinced eve that the fruit looked good to her eyes, even though it was bad and would kill. And she reasoned that it would be wisdom to eat it.

And here you are, another one he seeks to hiss subtle suggestions at until you are actually doing the OPPOSITE of what God wants, and thinking its wisdom. He makes you think you are going the right direction.

So don't agonize over what's right or wrong for you. For now just focus on how Satan does it.

Did God REALLY say you must, if after having given, then answer an unreasonable person by giving even MORE? Maybe God means something else by what He says there because you have rights. You deserve to be treated fairly. And you have heavy bills on you right now that you are struggling to pay and can't afford to give, on top of all you've let slide with them over the years. No, I don't think God had in mind an unreasonable person when He said give, then give more when they demand it. And besides all that, it's not what's right and fair that they are demanding.

He tries to make doing the opposite of what Jesus said sound good and right. We are able to say giving your shirt, and then your coat if they demand it, will only work if they are fair and reasonable. But they are unreasonable. They just are. It is very unreasonable to give, to let slide, to forgive and having done all these, for them to ask you for more. We all agree they are unreasonable. But the question is, was Jesus referring to reasonable people in what he told us to do? How so, if the very act of asking for our coat, on top of our shirt, IS unreasonable?

And even given all this, its not as much what you decide to do, (make payments to them or not), that He is going to be looking at. Its what's in your heart regarding it.

Letting things slide is different from true forgiveness, which doesn't keep a record of wrongs. So that's another thing He wants to help us see in our hearts. If they do something to us, something unreasonable, spiteful, unfair, do we bring up a list of their previous wrongs too?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Didn't even include how we engage. Have to go. I can contribute what I learned on engaging once we DO become aware that Satan is messing with our mind and appealing to our fleshly rights. Will have to wait until tonight.

 

[Helen]

I did not say that. If you recall I said God has ways of dealing with sins of this nature. You will not be lost according to Christ if you are one of his. In David's case God removed Uriah. Bathsheba was instrumental in producing Christ. I've seen believers in adulterous marriages forcefully delivered through the death or separation of their spouse..... and so on. If you have a repentant attitude, Christ atones for the rest and works things out accordingly.

What on earth are you talking about!!!

So if your horse ran off and hooked up with some farmers horse in another field and stayed....you are saying that 'YOU' WOULD NEED TO REPENT...OF WHAT????

Boy do you ever have a screwed up mixed up belief system...
..and we wonder the unsaved are not interested in being saved and not interested in Christianity!!

You God is not the God that I know.

 

[Helen]

I will read Philemon. At this point I don't feel that we owe them and it's the attitude that I don't like. A neighbor had told me that they went around pointing the finger at everyone else's kid when there was vandalism and it was their son who did it. My relative said if the dog was in any other place she would pay for it, but we are 100% in the right because we were in our yard. The relative said they chose to let their cat roam. My husband asked them if they don't feel responsible for at least half the bill and she said No. My husband said "Your cat was in our yard." She shrugged it off and said: "You can't keep cats in your own yard." So now WE are supposed to pay because THEY can't "keep their cat in their yard?" I don't know - it doesn't sit well with me. Especially since we've put up with years of them sending their dog onto our lawn to do its business. We aren't young people that we need to pick up their dog's loads.

I have to pray because none of it sits well with me. I'm wondering at what point you stop turning the other cheek. I read Dear Abby one time: a woman wrote in who was getting beat up by her husband and she was confused because her well-known pastor advised her to submit and stay with him. Dear Abby said "You don't turn the other cheek if the first one is black and blue."

I know Dear Abby is not in the bible but there is some good old Yankee horse sense there.

Did you Google things to find out if the dog was in the wrong when in his own back yard?

In our city the cat would be in the wrong and the owner probably fined for allowing it to wander.
I think the bylaw is a stupid , how can anyone stop cats going into other yards, or the road, but that is the bylaw.

Ask someone who knows the bylaws there.

 

[Dave L]

What on earth are you talking about!!!

So if your horse ran off and hooked up with some farmers horse in another field and stayed....you are saying that 'YOU' WOULD NEED TO REPENT...OF WHAT????

Boy do you ever have a screwed up mixed up belief system...
..and we wonder the unsaved are not interested in being saved and not interested in Christianity!!

You God is not the God that I know.

How do you justify adultery and not bestiality or homosexuality when all three carried equal condemnation in the OT?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." Jesus Christ (John 14:15)

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me." Jesus Christ (John 14:23-24)

"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day." Jesus Christ (John 12:48)

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter]. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall." Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-27)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses the love, authority, importance, relevance, and impact of Lord Jesus' words!

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus Christ (John 3:3)

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." Jesus Christ (John 3:5-8)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses that a person MUST be born of the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God!

"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." Jesus Christ (John 6:29)

And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
When the disciples heard [this], they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"
And looking at [them] Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
(Matthew 19:23-26)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses a person faith/belief in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a work of God!

"I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged." Jesus Christ (John 16:7-11)

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; [that is] the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, [but] you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you." Jesus Christ (John 14:16-18)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses the ourpouring of God's Holy Spirit in us believers!

"But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." Jesus Christ (John 3:21)

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn [bushes] nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits." Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:15-20)

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, expresses that we believers exhibit fruit of the Spirit of God (not fruit of man), the fruit is consistent with the words of Lord Jesus the Anointed!

ByGrace, it is Lord Jesus Christ that stated:

"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for [the] reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 5:27-32)

So, ByGrace, you termed DaveL legalistic for citing the words of Jesus the Lord! DaveL did NOT attempt to persuade people with wrongful authority to revert to the Old Covenant which is obsolete because of the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13) which includes the words of Jesus - even those words recorded by the Apostle Matthew about divorce (Matthew 5:31-32)!

Butterfly, Jesus our Lord said divorce is permissible for unchastity; moreover, Jesus did NOT say that a person can remarry (scripture does indicate that upon the death of the spouse remarriage is A-OK). Based on what you wrote, I would say that your fruit exhibited is consistent with the words of Jesus. I am just a wretched sinner redeemed by a gracious Savior and God, Butterfly, and I do not mean this to be judgemental, rather, I hope you find it comforting!

stunnedbygrace, according to your posts in this thread, you seem to believe that abiding the words of Jesus equates to a "default back to the letter" (post #15 in this thread). Jesus the Lord expresses the value of abiding Jesus' words. Fruit of the Spirit of God is precisely that - the Holy Spirit's fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), and the Spirit of God is the revealer of meaning of scripture (2 Peter 1:20-21). Your posts seem to try to diminish the very words of Jesus Christ recorded by the Apostle Matthew about divorce (Matthew 5:31-32). Marriage is a picture of Christ and His Bride, and even this fact is spiritually discerned. A person who remarries after divorce is CLEARLY opposing the words of Jesus - not only is adultery sinful - not only is looking at a woman with lust for her committing adultery WITH her (notice the word "with" thus expressing that she is guilty of sin too - relating to modesty) - remarriage is sinful because it defiles that person's witness of the consumation of all things!

It does equate to going back to the letter, which is for the flesh. And its backwards and will solve nothing, because its cleaning the outside of the cup when its the inside of the cup that the problem stems from.

If a man has internal bleeding, putting a bandaid on the outside is ridiculous and will only lull him into thinking he's okay when he has an unseen mortal bleed going on.

Do you know what we call a doctor who does such an atrocious thing and causes a man to bleed out while telling him he is saving him? A "quack."

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Did you Google things to find out if the dog was in the wrong when in his own back yard?

In our city the cat would be in the wrong and the owner probably fined for allowing it to wander.
I think the bylaw is a stupid , how can anyone stop cats going into other yards, or the road, but that is the bylaw.

Ask someone who knows the bylaws there.

There's no question that the people are unreasonable. The only solution would be to allow no one in the roaming vicinity of her cat to own a dog.

There's no question that its unreasonable.

 

[Soverign Grace]

How much abuse did our Lord overlook?

You are looking for your neighbors to do what God is asking YOU to do.

I thought yesterday that you're really walking the walk by offering me money. That was really nice. I would never accept it however. Every job I've ever had took a lot out of me to earn it. Money never came easy and I don't think it comes easy to anyone else.

I spoke with a lawyer who told me that the neighbor is wrong. He said that we did nothing wrong; we walked the dog in our own yard and the dog was not unsupervised. He said arguably if anyone is at fault it's the neighbor because they let their cat wander anywhere where it could be attacked by an animal, hit by a car etc. So I felt vindicated.

I was hurt because of the way they acted and I told them so. I'm too old and too tired to mince words.

We're probably still going to pay part of the bill. My husband said maybe God will bless us by paying it. I guess it's very hard because my medical bills are astronomical and they're both getting good government pensions. I know two people who committed suicide because they didn't have the money to pay for their care. In America if you can't pay you don't get care. So that is in the back of my mind. I can still hear my friend's anxious voice when she called me upset because she couldn't afford her cancer medication which was $1k a pill. At the time I had no medical issues so I brushed it off and told her to look online. The next thing I heard was a mutual friend telling me she died. I knew she ended her life; we had talked about it many times and she said she'd never go in a nursing home.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Maybe you're right.

Do you know there is excruciatingly heavy warfare going on around you right now? I have to go open the shop but will be back very shortly.

Thank God you see it! I'm being hit from every angle! I told my husband that Satan is hitting us again. The neighbors are unsaved yet we've always got along good with them but it was because we turned the other cheek. But now Satan has stirred them up and they're acting sanctimonious - I recognized exactly who is behind it.

I warfare prayed because I'm Irish and I have a hot temper and I'm also dealing with very heavy medical issues from someone else's mistake; not mine. I think they're the hardest crosses to bear when you did nothing wrong. The neighbors know I'm not doing good. I told my husband if I knew they weren't doing good and our cat had been in their yard and got attacked I would feel ashamed to go to them and demand they pay our vet bill.

He's a lawyer and his wife started pulling legal jargon on me telling me they "didn't sign a complaint based on my husband's agreement to pay the bill" and they "could have the dog euthanized." I do not like to be manipulated or have someone pull out a card to try to cower you with. I told her my husband spoke rashly because he felt bad about the cat - and that we all speak rashly in the heat of the moment and it was wrong for her to try to hold him to that. Sometimes if people think you're a pushover they'll keep pushing until you push back. This is where Christians sometimes get in trouble because others sometimes interpret you turning the other cheek as weakness and they'll take advantage of that.

So I contacted an attorney who deals with animal law and he said we did nothing wrong that the neighbor is wrong. So I told her that but that we were still discussing it.

No rest for the saints. Christ wasn't kidding when He told us we're soldiers. I could use a rest from trouble though.

This is just another attack. I would appreciate your prayers.

 

[Dave L]

Thank God you see it! I'm being hit from every angle! I told my husband that Satan is hitting us again. The neighbors are unsaved yet we've always got along good with them but it was because we turned the other cheek. But now Satan has stirred them up and they're acting sanctimonious - I recognized exactly who is behind it.

I warfare prayed because I'm Irish and I have a hot temper and I'm also dealing with very heavy medical issues from someone else's mistake; not mine. I think they're the hardest crosses to bear when you did nothing wrong. The neighbors know I'm not doing good. They've been great and brought me over a meal after I got out of the hospital. But now this is just another attack. I would appreciate your prayers.

People are trouble and the less you have to do with them the less trouble you have. You can still be kind and witness or help. But schmoozing gets you nowhere but in deeper.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It depends on how much you love Jesus or how much you love your sin.

It depends on whether you have been born again from above. It depends on whether you are a new creature(created in Christ), all things made new...the old passed away. Matthew 22:28-30 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. [29] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. [30] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If we are a new creature...God has made us whole and we are joined to our significant other which is God.

But flesh is and cannot be perfect or sinless or it would come to pass “death is swallowed up in victory”.

 

[Waiting on him]

I thought yesterday that you're really walking the walk by offering me money. That was really nice. I would never accept it however. Every job I've ever had took a lot out of me to earn it. Money never came easy and I don't think it comes easy to anyone else.

I spoke with a lawyer who told me that the neighbor is wrong. He said that we did nothing wrong; we walked the dog in our own yard and the dog was not unsupervised. He said arguably if anyone is at fault it's the neighbor because they let their cat wander anywhere where it could be attacked by an animal, hit by a car etc. So I felt vindicated.

I was hurt because of the way they acted and I told them so. I'm too old and too tired to mince words.

We're probably still going to pay part of the bill. My husband said maybe God will bless us by paying it. I guess it's very hard because my medical bills are astronomical and they're both getting good government pensions. I know two people who committed suicide because they didn't have the money to pay for their care. In America if you can't pay you don't get care. So that is in the back of my mind. I can still hear my friend's anxious voice when she called me upset because she couldn't afford her cancer medication which was $1k a pill. At the time I had no medical issues so I brushed it off and told her to look online. The next thing I heard was a mutual friend telling me she died. I knew she ended her life; we had talked about it many times and she said she'd never go in a nursing home.

Little pink houses for you and me

 

[Waiting on him]

Thank God you see it! I'm being hit from every angle! I told my husband that Satan is hitting us again. The neighbors are unsaved yet we've always got along good with them but it was because we turned the other cheek. But now Satan has stirred them up and they're acting sanctimonious - I recognized exactly who is behind it.

I warfare prayed because I'm Irish and I have a hot temper and I'm also dealing with very heavy medical issues from someone else's mistake; not mine. I think they're the hardest crosses to bear when you did nothing wrong. The neighbors know I'm not doing good. I told my husband if I knew they weren't doing good and our cat had been in their yard and got attacked I would feel ashamed to go to them and demand they pay our vet bill.

He's a lawyer and his wife started pulling legal jargon on me telling me they "didn't sign a complaint based on my husband's agreement to pay the bill" and they "could have the dog euthanized." I do not like to be manipulated or have someone pull out a card to try to cower you with. I told her my husband spoke rashly because he felt bad about the cat - and that we all speak rashly in the heat of the moment and it was wrong for her to try to hold him to that. Sometimes if people think you're a pushover they'll keep pushing until you push back. This is where Christians sometimes get in trouble because others sometimes interpret you turning the other cheek as weakness and they'll take advantage of that.

So I contacted an attorney who deals with animal law and he said we did nothing wrong that the neighbor is wrong. So I told her that but that we were still discussing it.

No rest for the saints. Christ wasn't kidding when He told us we're soldiers. I could use a rest from trouble though.

This is just another attack. I would appreciate your prayers.

He told us He’d wear out the saints

 

[Soverign Grace]

Do agree with you on the money. It would take too much detail to share but we went through some devastating injustices that are still ongoing and have been for years. It may be the only time in my life so far that I saw fruit of the Spirit. The only time it was against my will but more for His. It was painful humiliating and life altering but I’d go through it again and in fact pray for more opportunities. As crazy as it is. In the submission to this wrong or injustice as he did, one can rise above the injustice and evil and take away its power all together to where the injustice has to shut its mouth before God who is the true judge of right and wrong.

Can you elaborate at all on your experience? Don't share it if it's too private but I like hearing of how other believers deal with similar issues. It's very hard to determine what the right thing to do is. A youth pastor - which we later learned was corrupt (I won't say it but you'd recognize the name - they later were shamed nationwide for their corruption) rented an uninspected house to a family member - against my wishes. The windows had been painted shut and the family member tried opening them and sliced the tendon - in their right hand. I won't go into the gory details but the family was the most corrupt people I've dealt with. They never called and all they were worried about was getting sued. I followed Scripture and didn't take it to court but I deeply regret it because the family member now has permanent injuries and no money and has to make a living with a damaged right hand. They are still running a "church." I recently contacted their pastor and asked him how the Word of God came out of his mouth. He never even responded. You know why? He knows I speak truth; he knows how corrupt the family is. I spoke with one of their employees who left and she told me she's really worried at all the people they're misleading.

Never think your brothers and sisters in Christ won't do you harm. The worst two things done to my family was done by "Christians." I trust very few people now unfortunately. David had Uriah killed and your fellow Christian will do that if the price is right. I've learned there are a lot of Judas Iscariots.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Little pink houses for you and me

Never heard that one