I offer no defense of luciferian beliefs just pointing out that you have no grasp of their beliefs .
They are just a convenient bugbear used to smear or attack straw man arguments .
- Calvinists teach Total Depravity.
- Luciferians teach the uninitiated are hopelessly unworthy, profane, unsophisticated, unintelligent, deserving only of exploitation.
The Bible says God "hath dealt to all men a measure of faith".
First what do you believe total depravity means ? Please supply from Reformed sources sense you say it’s what we believe we need it from the horses mouth. The name of confession and line number will do .
Here is a general overview of what is meant to most Reformed folks .
Total Depravity: ( better put total inability) This doctrine teaches there is no part of our human nature which has not been affected by the taint of sin. Our intellect, emotions, will, and even physical bodies, have been corrupted by the Fall.
As a point of clarification, total depravity does not mean that humanity is as bad as possible or that no good in any sense can be done by unbelievers (though ultimately any good that does come about should be attributed to God's grace). Rather, it means that in the natural fallen state we are born into we are unable to do any spiritual good that will please God and we cannot come to God by our own strength. This is why some theologians refer to this point, perhaps more accurately, as total inability.
As far as what the other guys teach it’s inconsistent with what you say their beliefs are . From their book of the adversary.
1. Lucifer represents the light of intellect, wisdom and power unique to each individual with the courage to ascend to this responsibility.
(2) All are have this power it’s only your choice to use it . M Ford
ISBN 10: 0557044294 The book of the adversary with commentary from M Ford
- Calvinists teach Irresistible Grace which means humans have no freewill.
- Satanists teach humans are animals driven by "survival of the fittest" - not freewill but instinct.
The Bible says every man must "choose you this day whom ye will serve."
Ok what is your understanding of Reformed teaching on free will .
Again a reformed source please like I stated above .
Just a side note luciferians are not satanist some get all hurt if ya call them one
They say they have some common beliefs but are not the same
So which is it ?
Again the other guys teach differently than what you say
5. The fall of Lucifer or Satan symbolizes the liberation of the mind from the slave-mentality and the courage to explore and master the darkness within. One may not offer the illumination of the Morning Star without the wisdom of the darkness within.
(23) He fell so we are free not to serve myth We do not make “pacts”or “worship” any external entity nor do we believe in their existence .
(36) Man is liberated given a choice to determine his destiny.
ISBN 10: 0557044294 The book of the adversary with commentary from M Ford
- Calvinists teach God elects some while denying all others any chance of election.
- Luciferians teach Lucifer chooses some for "enlightenment" while leaving the rest in hopeless darkness.
The Bible says God wants "all men to be saved and to come unto a knowledge of the truth."
1 can you show me that everyone gets this choice ? Including the ones that never heard the Gospel .
Again those other folks say differently than what you say they do .
As far as what the luciferians teach or believe . From their book of the adversary.
1. Lucifer represents the light of intellect, wisdom and power unique to each individual with the courage to ascend to this responsibility.
(2) All are have this power it’s only your choice to use it . M Ford
ISBN 10: 0557044294 The book of the adversary with commentary from M Ford
You don’t know what your talking about it’s just a easy way to smear somthing you don’t agree with
- Calvinists teach they cannot resist the compulsory grace of God.
- Luciferian affiliation becomes compulsory after initiation - defectors are marked for death.
The Bible says while "the grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men", it also says "wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat."
Ok again what do you mean by compulsory grace ?
Your using terminology that contradicts what Reformed theology states on the subject. Use of terms like compulsory only seek to villainize without representing beliefs accurately.
Please supply from Reformed sources sense you say it’s what we believe we need it from the horses mouth. The name of confession and line number will do .
Calvin put it this way
The statement amounts to this, that we ought not to wonder if many refuse to embrace the Gospel; because no man will ever of himself be able to come to Christ, but God must first approach him by his Spirit; and hence it follows that all are not drawn, but that God bestows this grace on those whom he has elected. True, indeed, as to the kind of drawing,
it is not violent, so as to compel men by external force; but still it is a powerful impulse of the Holy Spirit, which makes men willing who formerly were unwilling and reluctant.
John6:
43Jesus answered and said to them, “Do not grumble among yourselves.
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Is God’s calling effective yes
Now what the other guys say still again you differ with what you say they believe.
Here again make something up about these occultist in line with your straw man attack to smear folks you don’t agree with .
ISBN 10: 0557044294 The book of the adversary with commentary from M Ford
We categorically reject any act that involves hurting a third party, since we conceive life as something unique and beautiful, and as something to be respected in accordance to our own divinity. Part of the Luciferian morality is to treat others as one would like to be treated.
- Calvinists teach Christ's atonement is limited to the elect - all others were born without hope.
- Luciferians teach they alone with inherit the Earth, while all others have no hope of that inheritance.
The Bible says "the meek shall inherit the Earth" while both Luciferians and Calvinists show themselves anything but meek as they both look down their noses upon the wretched with disdain.
Here Is what Calvin had to say on it . Note Calvin said very little on this there are only a few quotes and nothing he stated as doctrine. In His institutes He did say elsewhere along with other Reformed folks on the subject.
Christ’s death was “sufficient for all men and efficient for the elect.” He also said this in a prayer
We offer up our prayers unto Thee, O most gracious God and most merciful Father, for all men in general, that as Thou art pleased to be acknowledged the
Savior of the whole human race by the redemption accomplished by Jesus Christ Thy Son…
Your demonstrating your unfamiliarity with a subject
Now on to the other guys
Here again this is one of their core beliefs this is not constant with what you say they believe
From a faq in book of the adversary
Luciferians do not believe in the Abrahamic religions' doctrine of an afterlife that is paid for by suffering in the present life. Instead, it is believed that one should live for the present day and make the most of what is here and now.
( 33) There is no expectations of inheritance of the world .
ISBN 10: 0557044294 The book of the adversary with commentary from M Ford
It’s not apart of their belief system
You say they believe they will inherit the earth they say have no expectations .
You posting something out of whole cloth do degrade others you disagree with .
Blessings
Bill