Jews Returning To The Promised Land

[Davy]

Watch out brethren in Christ Jesus!

When you hear of someone preaching the doctrine that today's Jews returning back to the holy lands is proof of their restoration according to the Old Testament prophets, then beware, because that is not... what is taking place at all today.

In 1 Kings 11, when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, because of Solomon's sin, He promised He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem. That is what is still being fulfilled today with some Jews returning back to the holy land.

Per the end of Isaiah 19, God showed that in His future Kingdom, Assyria, Israel, and Egypt will each be one third in His future Kingdom, and God's Highway will run from Egypt all the way up through Israel and into Assyria. The borders God originally promised Israel will then be established, with all 12 tribes restored there. That certainly is not... happening today, it should be very easy to note.

After God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms, He scattered the ten tribed "kingdom of Israel" first out of the holy lands (2 Kings 17). These were the ten northern tribes of Israel. They were separate from the Jews of the southern kingdom tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

The ten northern tribes of Israel were not known as Jews. Per the Jewish historian Josephus, the title of 'Jew' originated from the tribe of Judah, and all those who lived in the southern kingdom of Judah at Judea took that title. Apostle Paul said he was a Jew (Judean) born of the tribe of Benjamin. The reason was because during the split, the tribe of Benjamin sided with the tribe of Judah in the south, and eventually the tribe of Levi also joined with Judah. Then a small remnant of the northern tribes left the north and sided with Judah. These became the Jews.

When the ten tribes were scattered to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, they began to lose their heritage as part of Israel. God let them have the full weight of their Baal idol worship they did against Him. They became lost, literally, to the Jews, and to the world, but not lost to God. They became as Gentiles, until they themselves began to believe they were Gentiles.

So today's Jews do NOT... know where all those ten tribe Israelites are today, nor who they are, because they themselves don't even know! But one thing is easy to know from God's Word. Those ten tribes of Israel made up the majority of the children of Israel. They were a great number of people, too many to number according to Josephus in his day (100 A.D.).

So if you hear someone trying to say all Israel is being gathered back to the holy land today, mark that person, because he/she is denying the event of Christ's future return, and the gathering that will take place when He comes.

 

[Davy]

There also is a second part to this warning:

Because the unbelieving Jews rejected our Lord Jesus Christ at His 1st coming, God is going to send them a false Messiah to Jerusalem that they will worship instead. This is what our Lord Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:23-26 is about, what Apostle Paul's warning in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is about, and what Apostle John's warning in Revelation 13:11-14 is about.

But today's orthodox Jews are trying to restore Israel to its original status like in Solomon's days. They have the materials ready to build another temple, and have re-established the old Sanhedrin elders, and have made the temple artifacts of worship, and preparing Levitical priests. Their intention is unmistakable.

God is going to send them a false Messiah to sit in their new temple in Jerusalem. Problem is, it will not... be our Lord Jesus Christ.

What that means is for you, as a Christian, is that you better... wait on our Lord Jesus' coming after the events of the fake in Jerusalem in our near future. Their doctrines are being pushed right here on this forum, with trying to say Jews returning to the holy lands today is fulfilling Israel's final restoration of all 12 tribes. That of course is false, because Jesus' 2nd coming is required, and that definitely has not yet happened today. But when this coming Antichrist/false Messiah shows up in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Christ, what do you think those deceived Jews will be saying he is? They will think he is the True Messiah, but he won't be. So watch out!

 

[Enoch111]

So if you hear someone trying to say all Israel is being gathered back to the holy land today, mark that person, because he/she is denying the event of Christ's future return, and the gathering that will take place when He comes.

1. It is true that from the early 20th century up until this time, Jews have been going to Israel from all over the world and settling there. This is not the supernatural regathering of the Jews to Israel by Christ, but a response to the persecution and hatred of Jews throughout Europe, particularly under the Nazis and the evil Communists.

2. While the majority of Jews in Israel may be Ashkenazic, there are also many Sepharidic Jews over there (who are descendants of the Jews who lived in Palestine in the 1st century). So many Jews do know to which tribe they belong, and God knows exactly who is in which tribe even now.

3. The nation-state of Israel was founded on secular principles, and most of the Jews in Israel are not saved. Israel was judicially blinded by God after they rejected Yeshua ha Mashiach. However the Messianic Jews are saved, and they also evangelize their own people. Gentile Christians should be actively involved in this also.

4. But it is only after the Second Coming of Christ that all the Jews worldwide will be gathered to Israel supernaturally. They will actually see the Lord Jesus Christ, repent, and mourn, and be saved, but not all will come to repentance.

ROMANS 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

5. As we can see from this passage, the Church has NOT replaced Israel. Once the full number of Gentiles is within the Church of God, the Church will be raptured. And after the Second Coming of Christ and the battle of Armageddon, the Jews will be brought to Israel.

MATTHEW 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect [BELIEVING JEWS] from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Keraz]

The Church is Israel

Just as the Gentile Ruth, an ancestor of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God. Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23, Isaiah 66:21 and as seen by John in Revelation 7:9

So the entire church represents the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which is made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10

John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe suited to their abilities and characteristics. Revelation 7:9-14

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Israelites, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

The books of James and Peter are addressed to the twelve tribes, which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again in Jesus and who anticipate His Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed, by their faith. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8-10 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16

This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers for God’, or ‘God’s Victorious people’. Seen in each of the seven Church’s of Revelation and in Isaiah 56:1-8

Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is the one and only true Seed. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, every faithful believing Christian is an heir of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: Romans 8:16-18, Ephesians 1:11-14



Zechariah 8:7-8 The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness.

The Prophesies are clear; it is a people that God foreknew whom He will rescue, redeem, restore and forgive their sins and misdeeds. No other than the Northern tribes of the House of Israel, scattered among the nations and ‘lost’ to our knowledge, but not to God. Now; the bulk of the faithful Christian peoples, the Israel of God.

 

[Keraz]

5. As we can see from this passage, the Church has NOT replaced Israel. Once the full number of Gentiles is within the Church of God, the Church will be raptured. And after the Second Coming of Christ and the battle of Armageddon, the Jews will be brought to Israel.

This is absolute rubbish.
Nowhere does the Bible say the Church will be 'raptured to heaven'.
You make the error of thinking that 'Israel' is just the Jews. Paul does make it clear they are not, Romans 2:29 and the notion that it will be those who call themselves Jews will be saved, is refuted by many prophesies saying they will be destroyed.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are right @Davy it is not happening today, but within the next 20-30 years, it will be happening that God will draw the Israelites to Himself, and will plant them in fertile fields where they will be living, to learn about Israel, i.e. Jesus, and the statutes and processes of the Religion of "Newly" restored/redeemed Israel.

Where will we find the gathered Israelites? Scattered throughout the whole earth where they were living previously to being gathered to the Lord.

So Davy, who are you accusing of preaching this flawed doctrine that all the Israelites must return to the "Promised land," to fulfil God's man made outcomes?

Shalom

 

[Enoch111]

Nowhere does the Bible say the Church will be 'raptured to heaven'.

Since you are unable to believe this very fundamental and important doctrine, you will continue to deceive yourself while opposing the truth.

 

[Keraz]

Since you are unable to believe this very fundamental and important doctrine, you will continue to deceive yourself while opposing the truth.

I don't believe in the 'rapture to heaven', because it isn't Biblical. YOU are the one who is deceived.

Our destiny as faithful Christians is to be the people God always wanted in His holy Land. WE will say this Jesus as He Returns: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord!

 

[Davy]

1. It is true that from the early 20th century up until this time, Jews have been going to Israel from all over the world and settling there. This is not the supernatural regathering of the Jews to Israel by Christ, but a response to the persecution and hatred of Jews throughout Europe, particularly under the Nazis and the evil Communists.

Jews of the house of Judah have been returning much longer than that, at least back to the 7th century A.D. out of Europe when they roamed from country to country and refused to convert to Christianity. So yes, I agree with that, just that it began earlier than the 20th century. However, you're talking about the Jews, not the ten lost tribes of Israel. As I've said many times per God's Word in Hosea, the ten tribes were to lose their heritage as Israel, but the Jews did not. And today, the Jews no longer know what happened to the ten lost tribes of Israel.

2. While the majority of Jews in Israel may be Ashkenazic, there are also many Sepharidic Jews over there (who are descendants of the Jews who lived in Palestine in the 1st century). So many Jews do know to which tribe they belong, and God knows exactly who is in which tribe even now.

I never said the Jews didn't know of their heritage as 'part' of Israel. It's simply that the ten lost tribes of Israel ARE NOT JEWS. The Jews represented the old southern "kingdom of Judah" made up of 3 tribes, that of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that sided with them when king Jeroboam setup calf idol worship in the north. That small remnant by no means represented the majority of the northern ten tribes, which is a LIE of the Jews you apparently are trying to get others here to believe.

3. The nation-state of Israel was founded on secular principles, and most of the Jews in Israel are not saved. Israel was judicially blinded by God after they rejected Yeshua ha Mashiach. However the Messianic Jews are saved, and they also evangelize their own people. Gentile Christians should be actively involved in this also.

That's right, the JEWS in today's state of Israel, in majority, are NOT Christians. That's the majority of them though, not the remnant of Jews that do believe on Jesus Christ. Should we confuse the two groups? I don't think so, because not too many years ago, orthodox Jews in Jerusalem were burning New Testament Bibles in their land.

Hundreds of New Testaments torched in Israel - CNN.com

4. But it is only after the Second Coming of Christ that all the Jews worldwide will be gathered to Israel supernaturally. They will actually see the Lord Jesus Christ, repent, and mourn, and be saved, but not all will come to repentance.
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5. As we can see from this passage, the Church has NOT replaced Israel. Once the full number of Gentiles is within the Church of God, the Church will be raptured. And after the Second Coming of Christ and the battle of Armageddon, the Jews will be brought to Israel.
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As I have shown, the Jews represented those of the southern "kingdom of Judah" in God's Word, and per history. The Jewish historian Josephus said that title of Jew began to be used for the remnant that returned to Jerusalem/Judea after their Babylon captivity, and all living in the lands of Judea used that title. He said it orginated from the tribe of Judah. As per God's Word, in Ezra, the only two tribes mentioned returning were Judah and Benjamin, and some of the Levites. The majority of the Jews stayed in Babylon by choice, and were later scattered through the countries like the ten tribes were earlier. The ten tribes were removed first, captive by the Assyrians. They did not go captive to Babylon.

You need to read your Bible history on this better. Start at 1 Kings 11.

The ten northern tribed "kingdom of Israel" were NOT JEWS. They made up the majority of the tribes of Israel, and they were known as 'Israel' after the split. They were scattered out of the holy lands first while the "kingdom of Judah" remained. The ten tribes then lost their heritage like God said they would...

Hos 1:4
4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
KJV

Hos 1:7
7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
KJV


Again, God speaking the ten tribed house of Israel...

Hos 2:4-13
4 And I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.
5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink.
6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.
7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.
8 For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.
9 Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness.
10 And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand.
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.
12 And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees, whereof she hath said, These are my rewards that my lovers have given me: and I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall eat them.
13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD.
KJV

The biggest sign there is how God would cause the ten tribes of Israel to lose her knowledge of the feast days, new moons and sabbaths, and solemn feasts. In their being given the full weight of their Baal worship, the ten lost tribes lost their heritage as part of old Israel. They became as... Gentiles, living among Gentiles.

But that DID NOT happen to the Jews, who kept their heritage of those feast days, new moons, and sabbaths! This has always been one of the establishing features of the Jews!

Thus today's ten lost tribes are NOT known as Jews! Today's Jews do NOT know who the ten tribes are, nor where they are. That is what one of the subjects in God's Word about the event of His gathering them in final is about. And that Message is actually there in the Book of Hosea, as Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea to believing Roman Gentiles, i.e., Christ's Church.

 

[Enoch111]

And today, the Jews no longer know what happened to the ten lost tribes of Israel.

Well the Lord certainly knows, and Revelation 7 and Ezekiel 48 confirm that all twelve tribes will be restored in God's time and in God's way.

It's simply that the ten lost tribes of Israel ARE NOT JEWS.

As far as God is concerned they are Jews. Read the chapters above.

As per God's Word, in Ezra, the only two tribes mentioned returning were Judah and Benjamin, and some of the Levites.

And yet Christ and the apostles speak of "Israel" or "the twelve tribes of Israel".

You need to read your Bible history on this better.

I know my Bible history. Do you know your Bible?

 

[Keraz]

Our destiny as faithful Christians is to be the people God always wanted in His holy Land

As faithful Christians we are the Israel of God, His Victorious ones and the Overcomers for Him.
And as the majority of Christians come from the Western nations, we are Israelites by descent as well as Spiritually.

There are a hundred + prophesies that say the Lord will Restore, Redeem, Reinstate, Recompense, Recover and Re-establish His Israelite people. Then He will forgive their sins. Jeremiah 31:34b
These prophesies do not just refer to anyone; they are specific to a people, a people whom God chose to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:3-8. Those people failed in their task and were punished by exile; which was to be for a set period. Ezekiel 4:4-6
THEN, they will gather and go to live again in their own Land. Isaiah 11:11-13

In the very place they were told they were not My people, they will be told; You are the children of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26

This story is all throughout the Bible, even the initial gathering of Judah in apostasy is a fulfilment of prophecy and is a miracle in itself.
Do people really think that God is not capable of miraculously bringing together those people who are actual Israelites according to whatever ethnic standard He decides?
But the most amazing thing is, that now, it is we Christians who ARE God's witnesses, John 15:27, Acts 1:8, and His Light to the nations, Matthew 5:14-16, Acts 13:47

WE Christians ARE the descendants of Jacob physically and spiritually.

 

[Keraz]

As far as God is concerned they are Jews.

You need to read what the Prophets tell us that the Lord will do with the apostate Jews. Romans 9:27 is just one of them.

 

[Enoch111]

You need to read what the Prophets tell us that the Lord will do with the apostate Jews. Romans 9:27 is just one of them.

Almost all Jews since the resurrection of Christ are essentially apostate. in that they have rejected their true Messiah. But you forgot to mention Romans 11:32: For God hath concluded them all [UNBELIEVING JEWS] in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

And when Romans 9:27 says "a remnant" shall be saved, it corresponds to Zechariah which says that one-third of all the Jews will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ. But from God's perspective, this remnant will include all the twelve tribes of Israel.

EZEKIEL 48
Now these are the names of the tribes...
1. a portion for Dan
2. a portion for Asher
3. a portion for Naphtali
4. a portion for Manasseh
5. a portion for Ephraim
6. a portion for Reuben
7. a portion for Judah
8. Benjamin shall have a portion
9. Simeon shall have a portion
10. Issachar a portion
11. Zebulun a portion
12. Gad a portion

For the priests and Levites (from the tribe of Levi): And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation...And over against the border of the priests the Levites shall have five and twenty thousand in length, and ten thousand in breadth...

 

[Keraz]

The question of who will inhabit the holy Land in the period before the Return of Jesus, is made clear by the following Bible passages;

Daniel 7:25 He [the Anti-Christ] will wear down the holy ones of God. He will change the feasts and the religious laws. The Lord’s holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years. [Those people; every faithful Christian, those who stay in the holy Land: Isaiah 62:1-5, will experience the Tribulation. Daniel 11:32, Revelation 12:17]

Daniel 11:21-22....a despicable man, not recognized as a king, will come unexpectedly and seize the kingdom by intrigue. He will sweep all opposition before him and will kill a leader of the covenant people. [The leader of the One World Govt will conquer Beulah, inhabited by every faithful Christian, and will kill one of their leaders.]

Daniel 11:29-35 At the appointed time, he will again invade the South, but ships of Kittim will oppose him. As he retreats, he will vent his fury against the covenant people. He will reward those who forsake their covenant with God. Troops in his command will stop the regular offering and set up ‘the abomination that causes desolation’. With flattery, he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who are faithful to their God, will be resolute and take action.

Wise leaders of the nation will guide the people, though for a time, they will be taken captive and killed. Some help will come, albeit; not entirely sincere. Those leaders may become victims, so that they may be refined and purified, ready for the end of the age. Daniel 12:3 The wise leaders, who have guided the people in the true path, will shine like stars, forever.

The Anti Christ invades some unidentified nations in Southern regions, but ships of Kittim [Cyprus – in the Mediterranean, but this is a metaphor for the Western nations] will stop him. He will then occupy the Holy Land, taking control and causing many of God’s people to obey him. Those who hold firm to their Covenant with God will be persecuted and some killed. This is in order to refine and purify them, ready for the Return of Jesus.


Zechariah 14:1-2 A Day is coming for the Lord to act and the plunder taken from you will be shared out while you stand by. I shall gather all the nations to make war on Jerusalem, the city will be taken, the houses ransacked and the women raped. Half of the people will go into exile, but the rest will remain there. Daniel 9:27 &11:31-32

Verses 1 & 2 must refer to the midpoint of the 70th week. [7 year period] That commences the Great Tribulation, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls. Then: from verse 3, the description is of the Return of Jesus.


Revelation 13:5-10 The Beast, [Anti-Christ] was given permission to continue for 42 months. [3½ years] He blasphemed against God and waged war on God’s people and defeated them, he was given authority over the whole earth. You have ears, so hear!
Those who are destined for prison, will be imprisoned, those to be killed will be killed. This calls for the endurance and faithfulness of God’s people.

Revelation 12:13-14 The dragon [Satan: the Beast] is thrown down to earth. He pursues the Woman, [Israelites, Overcomers; the followers of Jesus] who gave birth to the male child. [Jesus] But she is given the wings of the mighty eagle, so that she could fly to a place in the wilderness, where she is looked after for 3½ years.
These Christians, those who rejected the treaty with the Anti-Christ, are taken to a place of safety on earth, for the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation. As Zechariah 14:2 says: half of the population will go into exile, this obviously is the Woman: faithful Christian Israelites, referred to in Revelation 12:6-14, where they will be kept safe until the Return.
Then, in Matthew 24:31 – they will be gathered back into the Land, along with those Gentiles who have refused the mark of the Beast, to live with Christ for 1000 years.

The other half of the population who remain in the Land, will suffer under the yoke of the Anti-Christ. They are the Lord’s Christian people, who have to face testing and refinement. Daniel 11:32-33, Revelation 14:12, 2 Esdras 13:47-50,
So, who are those living in the Land of Israel before and during the Tribulation?

They are the Lord’s people, all the true believers plus the Christian descendants of Jacob, gathered, in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, to be His witnesses and to be His Light to the nations. His holy people are seen in the Land in the last days; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7.

It is quite evident, from Bible study, that the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal, will cause a dramatic clearance of peoples from all the Middle East area. Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 1 & Amos 2:1-5

In Ezekiel 20:34-38, we see the gathering of all the 12 tribes of Israel. The Lord will judge them and those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land.

Then all His righteous people to emigrate there, as described in Isaiah 66:18b-21, Psalms 107, all faithful Christians, from every nation and language, to live there in peace and prosperity. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, and Romans 9:24-26 says how the Christians become Sons of the Living God, in the very place that the ancient Israelites were rejected.

They will rebuild the Temple and reinstitute the Law and the ordinances. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 43:1-12, Isaiah 56:1-8

All the rest of the world will be under a One World Government, initially ruled by 10 leaders, but soon to be taken over by another strong leader. He will rule until the Return of Jesus, when he will be chained up for the 1000 years.

 

[Davy]

You are right @Davy it is not happening today, but within the next 20-30 years, it will be happening that God will draw the Israelites to Himself, and will plant them in fertile fields where they will be living, to learn about Israel, i.e. Jesus, and the statutes and processes of the Religion of "Newly" restored/redeemed Israel.

Where will we find the gathered Israelites? Scattered throughout the whole earth where they were living previously to being gathered to the Lord.

So Davy, who are you accusing of preaching this flawed doctrine that all the Israelites must return to the "Promised land," to fulfil God's man made outcomes?

Shalom

The only true Israel of God is Christ's Church, the reason being because only Jesus Christ offered the New Covenant through His Blood. One who refuses to believe on Jesus Christ is no better than a pagan. So Faith on Jesus Christ is... the TRUE RELIGION of God's Israel. All others will be cut off, including those born of Israel that still refuse Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

Well the Lord certainly knows, and Revelation 7 and Ezekiel 48 confirm that all twelve tribes will be restored in God's time and in God's way.

As far as God is concerned they are Jews. Read the chapters above.

There again you like to push the LIE that all Israelites are Jews. They are not, which is why you are guilty of pushing a lie from Judaism. They are the ones telling you that all Israelites are Jews. Not true, as Bible history shows.

And yet Christ and the apostles speak of "Israel" or "the twelve tribes of Israel".

I know my Bible history. Do you know your Bible?

If you know your Bible history as you say, then why do you refuse Scripture about the two separate kingdoms and houses of Israel which God caused past 1 Kings 11? That would mean you INTENTIONALLY deny... that Bible history by saying all 12 tribes are Jews!

 

[Jay Ross]

The only true Israel of God is Christ's Church, the reason being because only Jesus Christ offered the New Covenant through His Blood. One who refuses to believe on Jesus Christ is no better than a pagan. So Faith on Jesus Christ is... the TRUE RELIGION of God's Israel. All others will be cut off, including those born of Israel that still refuse Jesus Christ.

Davy, Christ came to offer up the following Covenantal undertaking as found described in Matt.13:52 and which strangely also is found in the covenants that God entered into at Mt. Sinai. The changes to that covenant was prophesied in Daniel.9:25b.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

Davy, Christ came to offer up the following Covenantal undertaking as found described in Matt.13:52 and which strangely also is found in the covenants that God entered into at Mt. Sinai. The changes to that covenant was prophesied in Daniel.9:25b.

Shalom

The covenant that God offered the children of Israel through Moses at Sinai, was the old covenant.

You are trying to blur the lines between the old covenant which Jesus nailed to His cross, and the New Covenant in His Blood as Paul testified of in the Book of Hebrews.

The New Covenant was actually linked to the Promise by Faith which God gave first through Abraham. Paul showed this also in Galatians 3 and Romans 4. Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness, and was 430 years before the law was given on Mt. Sinai.

 

[Jay Ross]

The covenant that God offered the children of Israel through Moses at Sinai, was the old covenant.

You are trying to blur the lines between the old covenant which Jesus nailed to His cross, and the New Covenant in His Blood as Paul testified of in the Book of Hebrews.

The New Covenant was actually linked to the Promise by Faith which God gave first through Abraham. Paul showed this also in Galatians 3 and Romans 4. Abraham's Faith was counted as righteousness, and was 430 years before the law was given on Mt. Sinai.

Davy, the first covenant offered by God to the nation of Israel at Mt Sinai was the Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation and God's Possession among the Nations Covenant. While Moses was up on the Mt. with God for 40 days, the nation of Israel rebelled against this covenant.

Then God entered into a Covenant with Moses which is known as the Mosaic Covenant which has a sunset clause within it.

Then in Jeremiah.31:31ff God declares that in the future that He will remake the Original Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the nations like new again with the Nation of Israel, that is with all the tribes of Israel but because of Dan.9:25b, it will be tweaked a little to confirm with the changes made on a cross.

The purpose of the Nation of Israel was is to be a Blessing to all of the Nations of the earth and that can only be achieved by Israel remaining scattered throughout the whole earth and not gathered in the Land of Canaan.

Israel will be offering the Refurbished Salvation Covenant to the peoples of the earth as Priests of God after being instructed by God in the principles of the Everlasting Kingdom of God that will be established during the time of the kings of the fifth segment of the Dan.2 statue prophecy.

At this time Jesus, as the Son of Man, will be given Dominion over all of the peoples of Man such that they should worship Him as the Son of God, but in this act of God we find that Jesus will continue in Heaven as a Priest, the New Mediator of the refurbished Salvation covenant, that has been available to mankind since the Garden of Eden. Sadly, all I see happening, is that you will reject this understanding as being flawed through your typical posts of attacking rebuttals.

Maybe God will be kind to me and will be gracious to me and look favourably upon me because of what I post, but what I do know is that Satan will have his Good and Faithful Servants working at discrediting what I have been posting.


Shalom

 

[Davy]

Davy, the first covenant offered by God to the nation of Israel at Mt Sinai was the Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation and God's Possession among the Nations Covenant. While Moses was up on the Mt. with God for 40 days, the nation of Israel rebelled against this covenant.

Wrong. The Abrahamic covenant was always first, 430 years BEFORE the law was given through Moses. You keep referring to the old covenant given through Moses when Moses wasn't even born yet in Abraham's day!

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, 'In thee shall all nations be blessed.'

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

That... was long before the days of Moses. You need to dump those ideas from Judaism you're trying to push here and instead go through all of Galatians 3 and Romans 4 that Apostle Paul taught about The Gospel by Faith being preached to Abraham first before the children of Israel ever existed!