Sorry I misunderstood. He became a Christian and left the Mormons as did his dad who was a high priest, his mum who taught in their UNI or college all his siblings, his now wife and some of his fellow missionaries. Wow.
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I do admire his dedication as he changed to an Evangelical Christian.
But I was admire the dedication of those who become convicted in Christ and become LDS Christians despite all the adversity they face and loosing their world too.
But he was saying what we've been telling you that the Mormons peach a different and false gospel. He found the truth by reading his bible like a child. But the more we try to persuade you that the LDS are misguided the more you will dig you heels in and feel that you are under attack. But one day you may remember and have a change of heart.
The 20 something year old he describes did not remotely understand the Gospel that LDS Christins so strive to preach. He may of been sitting on an LDS Christian pew for 20 years, but (as he describes) he lacked any real understanding or conversion himself. Such bench-warmers exist in all faiths.
I am glad that he finally actually started reading, listening, and becoming a disciple of Christ. Even if he's now an Evangelical Christian.
Mal'ak
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The doctrine of "once saved always saved" was introduced into Christian beliefs by satan, because who else but satan wants Christians to avoid doing God's work. Most people go along with these doctrine because it is safe and easy, there is no fear they will go to Hell so they adopt it. Two scriptures said by Jesus calls out these types of beliefs:
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Jesus is speaking directly in a large part to those he knows at the end will be under the false doctrine of not needing works, and thinking they have a free pass to Heaven. Matthew 16 directly addresses this false doctrine, "Son of man shall come....he shall reward every man according to his works...there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man". This goes back to Matthew 7 telling us is "narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it". What is "narrow" or hard about "I believe Jesus is the Son of God!" That is great! But...it brings us to:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
But there will be the people set in traditions of man, who will bring up the one and only verse "we are saved by grace, lest any man boast". The keyword here is "BOAST", not that Jesus is a liar and James is a liar. The point is just to humble people, that doing works and trying to get to Heaven WITHOUT God's grace and permission is not going to happen, you need both. But the most ironic thing about people quoting Ephesians is that they are saying "Paul is the true prophet of God, Jesus Christ was a liar when he keeps talking about works". If Jesus says you need works and Paul says you do not need works, who as CHRIStians are we suppose to listen too? Jesus. So if Jesus is right and knows more about his Father's law then Paul, then the next step is to figure out what Paul was trying to tell us since he was not calling Jesus a liar. Again, the keyword "boast" comes in, and Christians not trying to enter Heaven without God's grace.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Jesus is speaking directly in a large part to those he knows at the end will be under the false doctrine of not needing works, and thinking they have a free pass to Heaven. Matthew 16 directly addresses this false doctrine, "Son of man shall come....he shall reward every man according to his works...there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man". This goes back to Matthew 7 telling us is "narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it". What is "narrow" or hard about "I believe Jesus is the Son of God!" That is great! But...it brings us to:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
But there will be the people set in traditions of man, who will bring up the one and only verse "we are saved by grace, lest any man boast". The keyword here is "BOAST", not that Jesus is a liar and James is a liar. The point is just to humble people, that doing works and trying to get to Heaven WITHOUT God's grace and permission is not going to happen, you need both. But the most ironic thing about people quoting Ephesians is that they are saying "Paul is the true prophet of God, Jesus Christ was a liar when he keeps talking about works". If Jesus says you need works and Paul says you do not need works, who as CHRIStians are we suppose to listen too? Jesus. So if Jesus is right and knows more about his Father's law then Paul, then the next step is to figure out what Paul was trying to tell us since he was not calling Jesus a liar. Again, the keyword "boast" comes in, and Christians not trying to enter Heaven without God's grace.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Nancy
Well-Known Member
Good video.
Near the end, he said "within the last three weeks left of his 2 year mission trip for the Mormon church, God renewed my heart relentlessly and he became born again."
"...he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Hopefully he's just a Christian as I think God is against man-made denominations that seek to cut up the brethren based on doctrinal preferences. God has this thing for Oneness as does His Son. We can only assume that the Holy Spirit isn't working to fulfill the denominational ambitions of men.
What about his dad then, who he describes as a high priest? Surely you would think he must have understood fully and yet after reading his bible like a child he too turned to Christ and left the Mormons along with the mum and siblings. So really your argument that the speaker was too young to fully understand doesn't hold water.
Honestly him making such a big deal of his dad being a high priest is him buttering up his Evangelical audience. In reality, every LDS Christian male over the age of ~40 has the title of "high priest". It doesn't actually mean anything in terms of "getting it". Same with his mom working at BYU- you don't even have to be an LDS Christian to work or attend BYU, let alone have a certain degree of spirituality. Honestly, to me the family he describes was only going through cultural motions, not remotely "getting it" at all- no real reading of scripture, discipleship, and just kind of hollow.
Yes, I'll readily admit that there are LDS Christian families that are just culturally going through the motions. Just like I can readily give examples of Evangelical families that are just culturally going through the motions, and Catholic ones, and Methodist ones, etc. I wish that every person who ever sat in any pew would actually go and live the life of a disciple of Christ, but sadly that's just not the case.
It can be very useful to compare what various groups claim to believe, and then measure them against what Scripture actually says.
Getting back to the scriptures is good but without Jesus and the Holy Spirit they are just words on a page. Like the guy in the video says, Jesus is all we need.
Christ and His work at the Cross are indeed the central message of the Scriptures and in order truly to understand we need the Holy Spirit.
You know Christianity is not about beliefs. It's about entering into a relationship with God. I know a lot of people SAY that but they don't really DO that. Instead it is about a belief system. And a belief system is based on an opinion about God. NO relationship there.
So Farouk, if I imagined you as a 8 foot giant of a man with 3 eyes and 4 arms...then that would be MY belief about you. But that doesn't mean I know you. I only know an opinion of you.
That's how I see modern Christianity. It's all about beliefs...not entering into relationship with God by a real faith.
But if I trusted you as a friend so that I got on a plane to go see you...I would need a real faith that you weren't going to strangle me with those 4 arms of yours.
That's the kind of faith it takes to actually meet God with.
But only if that leads to a real encounter...otherwise it is vain. And we are NOT to take the Lord's name in vain. We are to speak FROM being WITH Him...not about Him.
It's the ultimate authority that overrides the opinions of men, the opinions of religions.
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