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Those who refuse to repent are the only sinners that should be ejected from church.

When someone is caught in adultery their spouse will make that person sorry. But if not they should be ejected.
 

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Those who refuse to repent are the only sinners that should be ejected from church.

When someone is caught in adultery their spouse will make that person sorry. But if not they should be ejected.
I think you would enjoy the article, "Why We (Christians) Shoot Our Wounded." LOL (I'll send it to you if you like.)

The article gives a few reasons first....
Why do we shoot them?
1… Because we don't trust 'em!
2… Because we are performance-oriented.
3… Because we do not understand grace.
4… Because we allow feelings of betrayal to justify judging others.
5… Because we are self-righteous.
6… Because we lack discernment in detecting true repentance and are afraid of the embarrassment of failing or being manipulated by an unrepentant sinner.


And then it goes into what we can do about it.
How should we respond to a fallen Christian?
 
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Luke 16:18 KJV
[18] Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.


Tecarta BibleThis is commonly practiced in the churches everyday. But no one has a problem with it.

Leviticus 20:10 KJV
[10] And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


Tecarta BibleThis under the same attitude as you have with homosexuals, requires death. As per God?

Good verses all. You are confusing adultery and divorce. Divorce was explained in (Deut. 24:1-4)

Adultery of the man and woman is explained in (Lev. 20:10) where both were to die.

(Luke 16:18) is not isolated from (Matt. 5:32) where there is a reason one can divorce, which is fornication. (Matt. 19:1-9) says the same.

From this we definitely see Gods mind concerning divorce.

Concerning the death penalty, if you have paid attention, you will see that I said we don't kill queers today because we are not under the law. But that does not change God's attitude toward homosexuality. Same is true with divorce. We don't kill the adulterers because we are not under the Law. But we know God's mind concerning divorce. I believe it completely.

So, my question to you is, do you believe this is God's view of divorce. Or do you want to say it is ok, like quaker man says homosexuality is acceptable to God. Understand there is reason to divorce. There is no reason to being a queer except rejecting God. Only in the mind of the quaker man.

What say you?

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Agree.. There are not big sins and little sin... James says - if we live by the law we must keep it ALL.
10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. "

Yet we seem to want it both ways! ie:-
Such as, "His sins are much worse than my small sin"

No one is claiming they are not a sinner under the Law. No one is trying to keep the law. But though we are not under the law, we know God does not want us to steal. We know God does not want us to murder. We know God does not want us to commit adultery. None of that changes, though we are not under the law.

The same is true with homosexuality. We know it is wrong. It is sin. It is a gross sin. It is an abomination before God. It is itself a judgement from God as I explained already as Scripture says. It is the second giving up of God to a God rejecting people.

Quaker man wants you to believe God has changed his mind, or we just didn't really understand what God was saying concerning homosexuality. It is ok as long as you don't sodomize each other. It is ok as long as you just love each other as man and man. You can get your giggles all kinds of ways, just don't sodomize each other. Go ahead and marry.

Don't let him dazzle you with his bs.

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Reading through the thread one thing does stand out...the Law is being changed as we speak to promote a false sense of peace. Didn’t He say it would be? If the government gives you its seal of approval ...then you are approved. It is false peace when the only approval that frees is His. Don’t hate the person though...mourn for them. they are being drawn into a trap that offers peace but is far from it.

Don't quite know what you mean when you say 'the law is being changed as we speak'.

Any change, of our no longer being under the law but under grace, is a change of God's laws. It is not a change from God's laws to mans laws.

If one is a queer, are you saying God approves because our government approves?

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I think it is quite a bit to ask.....”give up you sexuality so that my friends and I can feel comfortable”

Iforrest, are you ready to become vegetarian so that SDAs will feel comfortable? And the weak will not stray?
 

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I think it is quite a bit to ask.....”give up you sexuality so that my friends and I can feel comfortable”

Iforrest, are you ready to become vegetarian so that SDAs will feel comfortable? And the weak will not stray?

I'm not a SDA, what they do in their congregations is their business.
 

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I'm not a SDA, what they do in their congregations is their business.

Great answer! Secular homosexuals feel the same way about us and wonder why we are stopping them from living their lives
 

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No one is claiming they are not a sinner under the Law. No one is trying to keep the law. But though we are not under the law, we know God does not want us to steal. We know God does not want us to murder. We know God does not want us to commit adultery. None of that changes, though we are not under the law.

The same is true with homosexuality. We know it is wrong. It is sin. It is a gross sin. It is an abomination before God. It is itself a judgement from God as I explained already as Scripture says. It is the second giving up of God to a God rejecting people.

Quaker man wants you to believe God has changed his mind, or we just didn't really understand what God was saying concerning homosexuality. It is ok as long as you don't sodomize each other. It is ok as long as you just love each other as man and man. You can get your giggles all kinds of ways, just don't sodomize each other. Go ahead and marry.

Don't let him dazzle you with his bs...

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What I am not getting...(under the New Covenant) ..how homosexuals are held up as the most abominable. Sin is sin is it not?
According to most who post in this thread....God hates the Homosexuals ...BUT what about -the lier , the adulterer , ( those married after divorce) the glutton, the gossiper... why is homosexuality picked out from all the rest ?
Does He not hate all these too? I know lots of lying Christians who bend the truth. Cheat on taxes etc etc...

I mean, if we are talking about who is" in" and who is "out"...what about
Rev 21
8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

I see this list...yet I don't see you, ladycross, Taken, etc etc warning about these, and how terrible they are and how much God hates them...and they should be driven out of the neighbourhood far away from the rest of us. etc etc..

See what I mean? This thread does not make any sense.
 

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Great answer! Secular homosexuals feel the same way about us and wonder why we are stopping them from living their lives

No one is stopping homosexual from living their lives.
It is the "in your face" .... whoop whoop ...
"I'm a man and have sex with men....or "I'm a woman and have sex with women....that is over the top.

I don't care to have opposite genders announce anything about their sexual desires and sure don't think 1st graders need to have public schools teaching them WHAT the government thinks is acceptable sexual engaging.

The first time a person stands on a Political platform and ANNOUNCES, their Race, Gender, Religion, Sexual preference; I give zero consideration to cast a vote for them.

Glory to God,
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Good verses all. You are confusing adultery and divorce. Divorce was explained in (Deut. 24:1-4)

Adultery of the man and woman is explained in (Lev. 20:10) where both were to die.

(Luke 16:18) is not isolated from (Matt. 5:32) where there is a reason one can divorce, which is fornication. (Matt. 19:1-9) says the same.

From this we definitely see Gods mind concerning divorce.

Concerning the death penalty, if you have paid attention, you will see that I said we don't kill queers today because we are not under the law. But that does not change God's attitude toward homosexuality. Same is true with divorce. We don't kill the adulterers because we are not under the Law. But we know God's mind concerning divorce. I believe it completely.

So, my question to you is, do you believe this is God's view of divorce. Or do you want to say it is ok, like quaker man says homosexuality is acceptable to God. Understand there is reason to divorce. There is no reason to being a queer except rejecting God. Only in the mind of the quaker man.

What say you?

Stranger
I say guilty is a lie, spoken by a murderer and a thief.
 

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Hey Reggie,
You sure have a way with words :D
Very colourful.

I don’t think we can lump them all together like that.
You are describing the drags of society ...perverts, but we have them in every level and walk of life.
I mean , I had one uncle who “tried it on “ with my two brothers and all my male cousins.
Yet I had 4 other uncles who were all quite normal, it’s not- “one size fits all” .

I for sure don’t have all the answers ...
I actually don’t believe that those rapist in the prisons are homosexuals...they just use the weaker men as a woman. I believe they actually rape the homosexuals more than the straight guys.

That’s what I have heard anyway ...but , I know nothing. Neither do I understand it all! lol
I was talking to a young bloke who had been in Jail and he was saying to me what goes on in the Jails and he claimed not to be a poofter, but I said any man that has sex with another man is guilty of sodomy and sodomy is a homosexual act and their for one is what's called a poofter in Australia. he thought that it meant one was wimpy or a pansy, but no, it's anyone who does degenerate sexual acts with the same sex.

There are plenty such people who are Sodomites who are not Pansy's but can be seen as any man could be seen, but I think that the majority of people think that one is a weak pansy to be a homosexual, but that is not the case at all.

I have seen many a football player are Sodomites, Back in 1985 one even had sex with a goat in front of everyone I was informed of by our local boxing instructor who knows this bloke who is also a boxer and he seen this bloke do it. now that football bloke was seen as one mean bloke that went about bashing people up all the time in the next town and many feared him. now that bloke had a go at me about 6 months before this act with the goat and I bashed him and the boxer instructor came to me happy knowing that I did.
So their you go nasty fit long distance pushbike racer, boxer who plays footy and was a brick layer and a thug that is also Gay, Sodomite, homosexual, Poofter and into bestiality, but you know what many people loved that moron and idolised him, they thought him a hero and he bashed up all of his mates once who lived with him. I never knew him before he came with his mate to try and bash me up and I never seen him again.

One can not be straight and be a Homosexual Sodomite.
One who is bisexual is a Homosexual Sodomite.
One who is into anal sex regardless is a Sodomite.
One who is into bestiality is a Sodomite.

Then their is the new age boy called a Metrosexual, well he is just a boy claiming to be a man who gives in to all formes of depravity and gets offended if one looks down on anything that is not a liberal point of view, live and let live they say and will act with malice if you do not conform with their views, like you must not say this and that you have no right to say your views, they are Politically Correct wind bags.
 
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What I am not getting...(under the New Covenant) ..how homosexuals are held up as the most abominable. Sin is sin is it not?
According to most who post in this thread....God hates the Homosexuals ...BUT what about -the lier , the adulterer , ( those married after divorce) the glutton, the gossiper... why is homosexuality picked out from all the rest ?
Does He not hate all these too? I know lots of lying Christians who bend the truth. Cheat on taxes etc etc...

I mean, if we are talking about who is" in" and who is "out"...what about
Rev 21
8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

I see this list...yet I don't see you, ladycross, Taken, etc etc warning about these, and how terrible they are and how much God hates them...and they should be driven out of the neighbourhood far away from the rest of us. etc etc..

See what I mean? This thread does not make any sense.
The reason they only pick homosexuality is because they think it’s the only one that doesn’t pertain to them, but they forget to quickly that if their guilty of one their guilty of all!
 

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Good verses all. You are confusing adultery and divorce. Divorce was explained in (Deut. 24:1-4)

Adultery of the man and woman is explained in (Lev. 20:10) where both were to die.

(Luke 16:18) is not isolated from (Matt. 5:32) where there is a reason one can divorce, which is fornication. (Matt. 19:1-9) says the same.

From this we definitely see Gods mind concerning divorce.

Concerning the death penalty, if you have paid attention, you will see that I said we don't kill queers today because we are not under the law. But that does not change God's attitude toward homosexuality. Same is true with divorce. We don't kill the adulterers because we are not under the Law. But we know God's mind concerning divorce. I believe it completely.

So, my question to you is, do you believe this is God's view of divorce. Or do you want to say it is ok, like quaker man says homosexuality is acceptable to God. Understand there is reason to divorce. There is no reason to being a queer except rejecting God. Only in the mind of the quaker man.

What say you?

Stranger
Seems pretty clear to me... anyone who divorces their spouse and remarries commits adultery.
 
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Just because God establishes all authority doesn't mean that authority is good. He will place wicked rulers over the unrighteous.

True. We are to submit to them as well!

Show me one example of believer civil disobedience not ending in a juicy bloody massacre of innocent people.
Please read your your complete chapter before replying.
 

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Don't quite know what you mean when you say 'the law is being changed as we speak'.

Any change, of our no longer being under the law but under grace, is a change of God's laws. It is not a change from God's laws to mans laws.

If one is a queer, are you saying God approves because our government approves?

Stranger

Doesn’t matter what I say I’ll only dig myself into a deeper hole. I’ve been in the courts and know it’s corrupt. but still:Titus 3:1-3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, [2] To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. [3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Acts 8:32-33
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: [33] In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.