Please explain this.

[bbyrd009]

What serious stuff !
Don't you like silly songs?

um, silly, hmm. Imo those are great around little kids, as an aid to discovering the power of gathering emotions, or instilling a love of music, or even around adults sometimes to lighten the mood, sure. I meant that as a commentary on my impressions of attending an sda cong, but i have only ever been in like 2 tho too. Plus it was in my c/p, or at least i thought it was, ended up having to go fetch it then, turned into quite the little side trip lol, YT is still ironing out some kinks with premium i guess, and gets offended when i open it up on second device now, ended up having to do a shutdown, turned into quite the mission lol.

Anyway went into a third in Glenwood Springs, but i could just smell it at the entrance, that same scent. No little kids weaving around the cong, chasing each other before services? And the hushed tones, yikes, the hushed tones, may as well been an usher handing out cotton balls at the entrance lol. I mean nice enough ppl, dont get me wrong, just...the air. light grey, bleh. like ppl get when they need an enema and some sunlight? But again very limited experience, 2.1 attempts, so...

 

[atpollard]

as for afterlives, i mean either he who seeks to save his soul will lose it or he will not i guess? Logicians love a and b choices, yeh? Which one do you pick?

• [Mat 16:25 NASB] 25 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it; but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake[G6025] will find[G2147] it.
• [Mar 8:35 NASB] 35 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it, but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake[G6025] and the gospel's[G2098] will save[G4982] it.
• [Luk 9:24 NASB] 24 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it, but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake,[G6025] he is the one who will save[G4982] it.

STRONGS NT 5590: ψυχή
ψυχή, ψυχῆς, ἡ (ψύχω, to breathe, blow), from Homer down, the Sept. times too many to count for נֶפֶשׁ, occasionally also for לֵב and לֵבָב;
1. breath (Latin anima), i. e.

• b. life: μέριμναν τῇ ψυχή, Matthew 6:25; Luke 12:22; τήν ψυχήν ἀγαπᾶν, Revelation 12:11; (μισεῖν, Luke 14:26); τιθέναι, John 10:11, 15, 17; John 13:37; John 15:13; 1 John 3:16; παραδιδόναι, Acts 15:26; διδόναι (λύτρον, which see), Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; ζητεῖν τήν ψυχήν τίνος (see ζητέω, 1 a.), Matthew 2:20; Romans 11:3; add, Matthew 6:25; Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9; Luke 12:20, 23; Acts 20:24; Acts 27:10, 22; Romans 16:4; 2 Corinthians 1:23; Philippians 2:30; 1 Thessalonians 2:8; in the pointed aphorisms of Christ, intended to fix themselves in the minds of his hearers, the phrases εὑρίσκειν, σῴζειν, ἀπολλύναι τήν ψυχήν αὐτοῦ, etc., designate as ψυχή in one of the antithetic members the life which is lived on earth, in the other, the (blessed) life in the eternal kingdom of God: Matthew 10:39; Matthew 16:25; Mark 8:35-37; Luke 9:24, 56 Rec.; Luke 17:33; John 12:25; the life destined to enjoy the Messianic salvation is meant also in the following phrases ((where R. V. soul)): περιποίησις ψυχῆς, Hebrews 10:39; κτᾶσθαι τάς ψυχάς, Luke 21:19; ὑπέρ τῶν ψυχῶν (here A. V. (not R. V.) for you; cf. c. below), 2 Corinthians 12:15.

 

[farouk]

I agree with the above.
I also don't care for the KJV.
First of all there are some mistranslations in there which are
footnoted..why not just fix them?
It's too difficult to understand....first it needs to be translated!
It's a horrible bible for those of today that are much better off with
the one you mentioned. NLT...would that be The Living Bible? or an
offshoot of it? New Living Translation....The catholic Good News Bible is also good for this reason.

And yes, I also know some parishoners that are more holy than some priests.
This was also true for Protestant pastors when I lived over there.





You don't think asking how many works it takes to stay saved is silly because you don't agree with the concept. If you DID agree with it, it WOULD sound like a very silly question to you.

Isn't Jesus there to forgive us? What did He die for anyway?
So I didn't help a little old lady cross the street yesterday because I was tired or in a bad mood or who knows what. does this make me unsaved? No!
It's not what we do that counts,,,it's our attitude. Maybe I love making dinner...maybe one evening I hate it. So? I mean really, how does one measure faith? How does one measure works? Where's the list of what I'm supposed to do? There isn't one. It's like with a husband. We do our best,, nobody is perfect.
Does he leave us if we make a mistake and he gets upset? Or vice-versa....
It IS a silly question...think about it.

As to more faith being give, which I highlighted.
I've learned that it's grace that is given.
The more grace you need, the more you get.
Exactly how you described it above.
We have a sufficient amount of faith...it's the grace, which could also be called the help of the Holy Spirit, that gives us the strength to do more, if we can and/or want to. I do less now than some years ago. Am I lost?


ok, of course it's faith.
Faith saves us.
No faith and we become lost.

Works keep us saved in the sense that it shows we are obedient to God.
He wants us to give happily....of ourselves. Do we?
If not, there's a problem.
If so, then all is good.
Any amount of work is good because if we all do good deeds it helps the world to be a better place.



Right. There's a balance in raising children.
There could not be enough discipline...or there could be too much.
As to that man you speak of which had a detestable sin...
EVERY sin is detestable to God.
God is so holy that even a lie is hateful to Him.
So that person did not know God personally,,,or he didn't know the God we know.
I never would tell anyone that they have to stop doing anything....I believe that God has to tell them,,,not us. We could only make them aware and encourage.
When the right time comes, the sin will stop. It could take a really long time, the important thing is to keep God close. I used to teach my religion kids this...
they go thru a phase where they know they want to do not nice things (it could be just trying to smoke) so they leave God behind. I used to tell them never to leave God behind...

I love the King James and use it frequently!

 

[atpollard]

If he is not real then why are you including yourslef in the camp that is intent upon going to his planet? Stuff like that.

You need to reread Genesis 1 ... all of the worlds belong to God (and not the god Mars).

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Not everyone is an evangelist. Or a preacher.

So when Jesus sent men out to the town's He was going to visit, He sent 72 men, in groups of 2. He didn't send all the men out in groups of 2. He sent 72.

 

[GodsGrace]

I love the King James and use it frequently!

I like it because it's very poetic.
Love it for that. I can remember whole verses in the KJV.

BUT would you hand it to a new Christian?

Did you know that he best translated bible is the ESV.
I use the NASB but have MANY versions.
I also like the Living Bible for the difficult stuff and also confirm in at least one other bible.

I only use commentaries when absolutely necessary and most times I'll link something for someone .... but I think we need to come to our own understanding or we can't explain things we don't understand.

 

[bbyrd009]

STRONGS NT 5590: ψυχή
ψυχή, ψυχῆς, ἡ (ψύχω, to breathe, blow), from Homer down, the Sept. times too many to count for נֶפֶשׁ, occasionally also for לֵב and לֵבָב;

wow, sad times for Strong's now, huh? Shepherd's Chapel still had some uncorrupted hard copies last time i called, been maybe a year ago though, but they still had several. Cheap, too, as i recall. That's a $100 book imo now, i think they were askin like $30 or something. Be 3 or 5 hundred in twenty years i bet

• [Mat 16:25 NASB] 25 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it; but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake[G6025] will find[G2147] it.
• [Mar 8:35 NASB] 35 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it, but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake[G6025] and the gospel's[G2098] will save[G4982] it.
• [Luk 9:24 NASB] 24 "For whoever[G3739][G1437] wishes[G2309] to save[G4982] his life[G5590] will lose[G622] it, but whoever[G3739][G302] loses[G622] his life[G5590] for My sake,[G6025] he is the one who will save[G4982] it.

STRONGS NT 5590: ψυχή
ψυχή, ψυχῆς, ἡ (ψύχω, to breathe, blow), from Homer down, the Sept. times too many to count for נֶפֶשׁ, occasionally also for לֵב and לֵבָב;
1. breath (Latin anima), i. e.

• b. life: μέριμναν τῇ ψυχή, Matthew 6:25; Luke 12:22; τήν ψυχήν ἀγαπᾶν, Revelation 12:11; (μισεῖν, Luke 14:26); τιθέναι, John 10:11, 15, 17; John 13:37; John 15:13; 1 John 3:16; παραδιδόναι, Acts 15:26; διδόναι (λύτρον, which see), Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; ζητεῖν τήν ψυχήν τίνος (see ζητέω, 1 a.), Matthew 2:20; Romans 11:3; add, Matthew 6:25; Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9; Luke 12:20, 23; Acts 20:24; Acts 27:10, 22; Romans 16:4; 2 Corinthians 1:23; Philippians 2:30; 1 Thessalonians 2:8; in the pointed aphorisms of Christ, intended to fix themselves in the minds of his hearers, the phrases εὑρίσκειν, σῴζειν, ἀπολλύναι τήν ψυχήν αὐτοῦ, etc., designate as ψυχή in one of the antithetic members the life which is lived on earth, in the other, the (blessed) life in the eternal kingdom of God: Matthew 10:39; Matthew 16:25; Mark 8:35-37; Luke 9:24, 56 Rec.; Luke 17:33; John 12:25; the life destined to enjoy the Messianic salvation is meant also in the following phrases ((where R. V. soul)): περιποίησις ψυχῆς, Hebrews 10:39; κτᾶσθαι τάς ψυχάς, Luke 21:19; ὑπέρ τῶν ψυχῶν (here A. V. (not R. V.) for you; cf. c. below), 2 Corinthians 12:15.

ah, so
i guess i'm not getting your point here mp, i'm mark btw, if you have some easier tag than mr pollard that would be great. It might answer my Q to your mind but without an opening i am at a loss...ha well tbh mp see i have assburger's? So i'm really kinda at a loss anyway ok, but esp in those situations, where i an called to...where most ppl might easily fall in with some obvious social convention that is just assumed for you guys? Normal ppl i mean? Ya, i'm totally lost there ok, fwiw, little help if you would ty

 

[farouk]

I like it because it's very poetic.
Love it for that. I can remember whole verses in the KJV.

BUT would you hand it to a new Christian?

Did you know that he best translated bible is the ESV.
I use the NASB but have MANY versions.
I also like the Living Bible for the difficult stuff and also confirm in at least one other bible.

I only use commentaries when absolutely necessary and most times I'll link something for someone .... but I think we need to come to our own understanding or we can't explain things we don't understand.

It's not just the case of apparent ease on the surface; it's a question of thorough and accurate translation; and the King James has stood the test of time. And yes indeed I would give it to a new believer.

 

[Nancy]

@Nancy i see you have maybe been following along here, did i ever get around to asking you if the Witch of Endor saw Samuel in mr pollard's opinion or not, near as you can tell? I remem asking you once and then deleting it, dunno if i put it back up or not tho, ty

I'm not sure what post of his you're talking about Mark. I would have to see it. Although, if he say's that Saul indeed DID raise from the dead to help Saul...it was not of God, it would have been sorcery and the Jews were pretty much against that and, we know that God does not work through witches. And, after God stopped speaking to Saul, why would He just decide to speak to him through a dead Saul?? I don't know Apollard's position but, hope mine will do

 

[GodsGrace]

It's not just the case of apparent ease on the surface; it's a question of thorough and accurate translation; and the King James has stood the test of time. And yes indeed I would give it to a new believer.

I agree with you except I wouldn't give it to someone new.
You know the doctrine now so It's easy for you....
I think a new Christian wouldn't understand it at all.
But OK.

 

[bbyrd009]

You need to reread Genesis 1 ... all of the worlds belong to God (and not the god Mars).

well, i agree with you there, didnt mean to imply that Mars owned the Red Planet, but i mean you call it Mars i'm sure and i do not, after all, ok?--(and "Red" is a srsly loaded concept for us anyway, right, i thought Larry Wood deemed what we call Mars the "Savior Planet" actually, i'll have to catch up with him/that, man does that guy know some freaky stuff! Retired NASA nerd i guess) oh but anyway ty anyway.

Also fwiw i dont think kosmous are invoked at that passage, so "worlds" maybe not, in the sense that other planets have no "worlds" in them at least. See bc our kings call our country "nation" too see, "This Great Nation," right, so kinda the same sort of...blindness goin on, i guess. Anyway it doesnt use kosmou there i'm almost certain so the point is "worlds" is maybe not the best symbol to hold in our minds there maybe. Yes, they share a synonym tho. But ya.

anyway tks for the advice and i'll take a look at that, now esp i guess

 

[Grailhunter]

It's not just the case of apparent ease on the surface; it's a question of thorough and accurate translation; and the King James has stood the test of time. And yes indeed I would give it to a new believer.

I agree with GodsGrace it is poetic and I collect the old ones. Historically it is the most error ridden Bible ever produced, and just so you know some of those errant Bibles are worth up to 100,000 dollars. You find a copy of the Adulterer's Bible, the one that left the "not" out of the "Thou shalt not commit adultery" you want to hang on to it. Then you have the Vinegar Bible, the Murmurer's Bible, the Wife Hater Bible...etc Some of the religious beliefs and cultural concepts of the 1600's were superimposed on the translational process of the KJV.

 

[farouk]

I agree with GodsGrace it is poetic and I collect the old ones. Historically it is the most error ridden Bible ever produced, and just so you know some of those errant Bibles are worth up to 100,000 dollars. You find a copy of the Adulterer's Bible, the one that left the "not" out of the "Thou shalt not commit adultery" you want to hang on to it. Then you have the Vinegar Bible, the Murmurer's Bible, the Wife Hater Bible...etc Some of the religious beliefs and cultural concepts of the 1600's were superimposed on the translational process of the KJV.

I don't think this is an accurate and balanced comment, sorry.

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't think this is an accurate and balanced comment, sorry.

It's very balanced F.
I had mentioned to you how the KJV has mistakes in it and they have to be footnoted. I mentioned how they should just correct it.

Many things are known today that were not known when the KJ was written.
We know a lot more about the culture of the time and what certain verses mean.
Like, for instance, what does turn the other cheek mean?
No. It doesn't mean what you think and what most Christians think.

But persons that like the KJV are devoted to it...as if it were the actual words that God typed somewhere.

It's OK to like any version...as long as you understand what you're reading.
I said I like the Living Bible for some reasons,,,but I understand that it's not a real translation. I can't think what it's called right now....

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think this is an accurate and balanced comment, sorry.

Many Christians are not comfortable with the history of the evolution of what we call the Holy Bible. Too many changes, too many errors, too many versions and the fact that it first went through the Catholic church. If your faith is based on the KJV, all good, but stay away from the facts and particularly history.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not sure what post of his you're talking about Mark. I would have to see it. Although, if he say's that Saul indeed DID raise from the dead to help Saul...it was not of God, it would have been sorcery and the Jews were pretty much against that and, we know that God does not work through witches. And, after God stopped speaking to Saul, why would He just decide to speak to him through a dead Saul?? I don't know Apollard's position but, hope mine will do

ah, well, i just was seeking a gapper to see if my impression of...his impression was off, or what. Slept on it now though, sun has risen now, enough time has passed, certain little threads that could have been pursued by way of like verification or whatever, establishment, have not been, so i'm not too interested in belabouring any words to the wise but i will just ask you the same thing i guess,
1 Samuel 28:12 Lexicon: When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul."
did the Witch of Endor--ha i love typing that, sounds like The Wizard of Oz or something, dunnit? --anyway did the woman "see Samuel," or no, iyo?

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't think this is an accurate and balanced comment, sorry.

bro i got One word for you ok, "Easter."
lol
i mean c'mon, why not just read a book from a guy says he got it from moron i bro, what would be the difference, really

again, not that i mean to say the kjv is worthless, but def heavily pointed of view i guess, i mean "interlinear kjv" is surely an oxymoron, brb... KJV Interlinear Bibles with Parallel Hebrew and Greek omg "thekjvstore" how priceless is that huh, bet the book is a hoot too.

Anybody know of an online one, we could do like a little comparo? I bet ol' English would sure get a roasting lol, we'd be like "wth were these guys even thinking?" lol ah prolly i'm doing it again though huh sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

ah, well, i just was seeking a gapper to see if my impression of...his impression was off, or what. Slept on it now though, sun has risen now, enough time has passed, certain little threads that could have been pursued by way of like verification or whatever, establishment, have not been, so i'm not too interested in belabouring any words to the wise but i will just ask you the same thing i guess,
1 Samuel 28:12 Lexicon: When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul."
did the Witch of Endor--ha i love typing that, sounds like The Wizard of Oz or something, dunnit? --anyway did the woman "see Samuel," or no, iyo?

btw if i was going to um attack the sense of the passage there iis would go with woman, which doesnt mean woman like you are a woman anyway i dont think.

But never,ind that for the moment i guess, which i am not going to fix those anymore, you can read that ok right. Or mind that if you like, prolly yalls best shot i guess, woman there

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't know Apollard's position but, hope mine will do

ya i dont know mr pollard's position there either, i tell ya what.
I suspect i got some smoke blown up my
exhaust pipe, struck me as a fancy way to deny Scripture personally, but i am evil and suspicious so ill just wait for a witness there, dunno

 

[bbyrd009]

I love the King James and use it frequently!

why do you love a Bible written in a diff language than you are fam with, i gotta ask