Where do I get this Holy Spirit I need to understand the KJV so I don't have to read those silly versions that are more palatable to my natural mind?
You would have to begin to forsake salvation by works and put your faith in Jesus Christ alone for your salvation (Galatians 3:14)
Gosh. And I thought I had this Holy Spirit all these long years.
The moment you switched over to salvation by works and stopped relying on the grace of God, the Holy Spirit very likely left you. Actually, God knew that you would switch over from salvation by grace through faith to salvation by works and very likely never sealed you in the first place; because He knew that you would leave off of trusting in Him for your salvation and switch over to trusting in your own works to save you.
But you read the KJV and you believe in OSAS....how could this be?
Actually, it is not OSAS that I believe in, but POTS. I believe this based on 1 John 2:17.
I think that was pretty incredible what you did. I have a nice challenge for you.
Read the NASB and see if you still believe in all your doctrines..the ones you believe in right now.
The fact that you think I might believe differently now indicates to me that you also believe that there is a difference in the message that we might get from different Bibles when we have the full understanding of what they teach as a whole...and therefore my contention that having different translations brings division to the body of Christ concerning doctrine indeed has merit. btw, the NASB teaches damnable heresy...I wouldn't touch one of those bibles with a ten foot pole.
But don't tell me I believe in a watered down version of Christianity...
I'm the legalist, remember? Made of concrete...no water.
Except that the potency of the gospel is found in the understanding of the true grace of God...and therefore legalism will reduce the potency of what the holy scriptures teach. Since grace is what saves and legalism is spiritual poison, I do not recommend continuing to read a bible that teaches you legalism as salvation.
Remember that we are regenerated and renewed, not by works of righteousness which we have done...and therefore salvation through legalism will only bring you up on empty.
YOU are a special case.
Not every new Christian will.
Believe me on this.
Romans 12:9 dissimulation --- what that?
Romans 11:25 huh?
Romans 11:14-15 ??
Romans 11:5 ??
Romans 10:6-7
I could go on forever.
I have no problem understanding any of those verses. All you have to do is ask the Holy Spirit what He means by them, and read the verses in their context so you can get the meaning of the surrounding verses; which will help you to understand the verses in question.
Well, actually, every version has mistakes.
So you'r one of those liberals...you deny the veracity of the word of the Lord as we have it given to us today.
However, I would say that 2 Timothy 3:16-17 both contradicts and refutes your pov.
There's a bit of talk about Mary,,,but depending what is said, it's OK with me. She was, after all, the mother of Jesus and should receive the proper respect. God chose her for her role so when we argue against her, I feel we're arguing against how God wanted His salvation economy to function.
The only part Mary had in our salvation is that she bore our Saviour in her womb...
Unfortunately, much of the Catholic church teaches that she is a co-redemptress with Christ; that she is ultimately also a Saviour alongside of Christ. And this is simply not a scriptural concept...the holy scripture contradicts it in 1 Timothy 2:5.
The KJV is what I started on, and I love it. It makes it so much easier to remember scripture, because of the old English. I have the NIV also, and I think I have an NASB somewhere. I always get drawn to the KJV though...it is my go to. And, I find most other bibles just paraphrase but, good to have them too so as to make clear certain language in the KJV. I will never say that that is the ONLY true Word Of God but, it has beautiful language!
My position in the debate is the kjv-superior position (not kjv-only); because I do feel that other translations (while they ought not to be held as authoritative) can help us in our understanding if we are having trouble with the kjv's archaic language.
I didn't mean you personally.
I like my NASB and also the Living Bible comes in handy for the O.T. at times.
I AM saying that some churches allow only the KJ.
It does seem to me that they idolize that version of the bible...
as if God came down from heaven and wrote it on a computer.
I think this is not good.
Oh. And I think it's a bad version to give to a new, young, Christian.
Unless he comes from a Christian family and has heard the verses from that bible.
Every case is unique.
There are reasons for holding the kjv to be authoritative over and above other translations.
A new Christian will do just fine reading an old-fashioned kjv.
Churches that only allow the kjv probably do so because the pastor communicates from it and if the parishioners are reading a different version, there can be miscommunication.
Not to mention other versions are watered-down and therefore if you read them on your own time you are very likely to become malnoiurished spiritually.
Example: how in Romans 8:1 and Romans 11:6, the last half of both verses is entirely taken out in other versions. Or, how the whole of Jesus' words in Luke 9:55-56, and the whole of the statement in 1 John 5:7 (the johannine comma) are completely annihilated in some versions. Things like this happen all over the place, a word here, a phrase there...it amounts to a lack of potency that can even affect the salvation of the reader.
