First Earth Age.

[Samuel Pickens]

Never in my life have I though the earth 6kyr old. I have never in my life said that either. I think some do.

The multiple floods and destruction and people before God's creation is created myth of new orgins. There are plenty of orgins found down through time that lead people astray to never find the truth.

There are all kinds of myths and things to distract. Best to subscribe to sound doctrine and sound text regardless if they are English, Greek, Hewrew, German, Arabic, etc......

 

[HammerStone]

II Peter 3:5-7
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[Samuel Pickens]

2Pet; and that shows 6,000 years............

 

[jerryjohnson]

2Pet; and that shows 6,000 years............

Where does 2 Peter show 6,000 years. Quote it for me.

 

[Samuel Pickens]

Where does 2 Peter show 6,000 years. Quote it for me.

That was from Hammermill. Read above.

 

[HammerStone]

That was from Hammermill. Read above.

Maybe you should put this up on the shelf for a while. I'm not really sure where you pulled the 6,000 from in my posting that Scripture? Perhaps you're a little too eager to read things into what folks say...

 

[Samuel Pickens]

But can you biblical prove the earth is only 6000 years old that there was not a an
age before this one ?

From here. I though you had read the aforegoing comments when you posted. I do not subscribe to the 6ky age nor to billions of years either because of scientific evidence.

 

[jerryjohnson]

But can you biblical prove the earth is only 6000 years old that there was not a an
age before this one ?

From here. I though you had read the aforegoing comments when you posted. I do not subscribe to the 6ky age nor to billions of years either because of scientific evidence.

SP, Where did you read billions of years? I don't remember seeing anyone but you say anything about billions of years. I could see millions of years but not billions.

 

[Irish]

I'm going to post some of this again,


1) First day......Creation
2) second day......divided waters ect.
3) 3rd day
4) 4th day
5) 5th day
6) 6th day.....Created Adam ( the race)
7) 7th day......God rests.......( so now we are already seven thousand years from creation)

8) 8th day ( here is where the Adam and Eve we all know were not created but formed....4004 BC if you will)
9) 9th day or second day of the new week of thousand year periods
10) 10th day
11) 11th day
12) 12th day.......Christ is born at the end of the 12th or beginning of 13th day
13) 13th day.....we are now at approximately 1000 AD at the beginning of the 13th day
14) We are now at the end of the 13th or beginning of the 14th day

Let this one thing not be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day!


Now this is not even hard, even if you don't believe a day is a thousand years. You can at least see the creation on the first day concerning the earth is not the same as the creation of sixth day Adam. This second earth and heaven age is going to be a total of 14 thousand years. Before that was the first age,.....after will be the third. This might take a little time to absorb but Peter didn't make it sound like it was really all that hard.


Irish

 

[0bed]

OK, I am new here but I'm not new to the word of God. How many people here think that Adam and Eve were the first people to ever walk the earth? If that is what you think then:

1. Who were the people who were going to kill Cain?

2. When did cavemen build walled cities (verse 17)

3. If Adam and Eve were the first people, then who were the people living in the land of Nod? (Don't tell me Nod means wanderer)

4. In what age did people play musical instruments (flute and harp) and make tools of bronze and iron? (verse 22)

5. A last question of my own, how long does it take for coal to form?

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[sup]15[/sup] But the LORD said to him, "Not so [sup][e][/sup] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. [sup]16[/sup] So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [sup][f][/sup] east of Eden.

[sup]17[/sup] Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. [sup]18[/sup] To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

[sup]19[/sup] Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. [sup]20[/sup] Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. [sup]21[/sup] His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play the harp and flute. [sup]22[/sup] Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of [sup][g][/sup] bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain's sister was Naamah.

[sup][/sup].

 

[Irish]

OK, I am new here but I'm not new to the word of God. How many people here think that Adam and Eve were the first people to ever walk the earth? If that is what you think then:

1. Who were the people who were going to kill Cain?

2. When did cavemen build walled cities (verse 17)

3. If Adam and Eve were the first people, then who were the people living in the land of Nod? (Don't tell me Nod means wanderer)

4. In what age did people play musical instruments (flute and harp) and make tools of bronze and iron? (verse 22)

5. A last question of my own, how long does it take for coal to form?

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[sup]15[/sup] But the LORD said to him, "Not so [sup][e][/sup] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. [sup]16[/sup] So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [sup][f][/sup] east of Eden.

[sup]17[/sup] Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. [sup]18[/sup] To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

[sup]19[/sup] Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. [sup]20[/sup] Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. [sup]21[/sup] His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play the harp and flute. [sup]22[/sup] Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of [sup][g][/sup] bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain's sister was Naamah.

[sup][/sup].

The Adam and Eve after the 7th day (hmmm, that would make it the 8th day), were given Ne shammah, or divine inspiration, he is mentioned with particle and article which is like saying "not generally but this here one particular guy". This is not the case with 6th day Adam, which I consider the race in general. A two thousand year spread. I believe there were other races here before even that.

Irish

 

[0bed]

The Adam and Eve after the 7th day (hmmm, that would make it the 8th day), were given Ne shammah, or divine inspiration, he is mentioned with particle and article which is like saying "not generally but this here one particular guy". This is not the case with 6th day Adam, which I consider the race in general. A two thousand year spread. I believe there were other races here before even that.

Irish

What we need to remember is that the Old Testament is a record of the Hebrew nation. It begins approximately 6,000 BC with two people called Adam and Eve. People generally think they were the first people ever but they were not, there are much older civilisations and then we need to remember the Ice Age, the Stone Age, the Iron Age, the Bronze Age which is when the Bible begins for if you notice they we making musical instruments and working in iron and bronze and civilisation was well advanced for example people were writing.

The Bible is correct and what is wonderful is that science confirms the accuracy of the Bible, where we often get it wrong is that we equate a 'day' with a thousand years, when in reality a 'day' is a geological period or era and if we realise this everything falls into place and the Creation account proves the divine inspiration of Scripture.

God is great.

 

[Irish]

The Bible is correct and what is wonderful is that science confirms the accuracy of the Bible, where we often get it wrong is that we equate a 'day' with a thousand years, when in reality a 'day' is a geological period or era and if we realise this everything falls into place and the Creation account proves the divine inspiration of Scripture.

Depends on the subject, or do you disagree with Peter?

Irish

 

[0bed]

Depends on the subject, or do you disagree with Peter?

Irish

The subject being creation.

Peter was using a figure of speech and was saying a day is a very long time.

yome (day) means either 24 hours, or continually, or perpetually, or everlasting, or an age. (Strong)

In the beginning there was no sun so it won't mean 24 hours.

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[Irish]

The subject being creation.

Peter was using a figure of speech and was saying a day is a very long time.

yome (day) means either 24 hours, or continually, or perpetually, or everlasting, or an age. (Strong)

In the beginning there was no sun so it won't mean 24 hours.

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It would do you good to re-read Genesis chapter one, and discover for yourself the vantage point of verse two. The earth became void in verse 1 and then it was coming back together in two. Verse one is billions of years ago, verse two,....not that long ago, relatively speaking.

Irish

 

[0bed]

It would do you good to re-read Genesis chapter one, and discover for yourself the vantage point of verse two. The earth became void in verse 1 and then it was coming back together in two. Verse one is billions of years ago, verse two,....not that long ago, relatively speaking.

Irish

That is spot on and so is the Bible which is what I am saying about science and the Bible agreeing.

First as you say verse 1 was billions of years ago, that was day 1 but it did not become void, it was void and empty to begin with and then God began his handiwork of creation. That all happened on day 1. Then in verse 6 which was only about 600 million years ago we have the Ediacaran Era, when we have the formation of oceans, atmosphere, and continents.

DAY 3 Was the Prechmbrian Era that began about 542 million years ago and we can read what happened on day 3 in the Bible.

DAY 4 was the Paleozoic Era that ended about 251 million years ago. Paleozoic comes from the Greek meaning "Old Animals." Numerous fishes, other sea life; many plants, first trees; wingless insects, swampy forests. In the early part of day 4 there was a catastrophic event that caused most species to became extinct but the tree and plant life remained. This catastrophic event would account for the blotting out the sun which reappeared on this day and we can read about it in the Bible.

DAY 5 is the Mesozoic Era that ended about 65 million years ago. Its popular name is the Age of Reptiles.

DAY 6 is the Cenozoic Era which began about 65 million years ago and includes the geological present including humankind. Its popular name is the Age of Mammals.

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[jerryjohnson]

That is spot on and so is the Bible which is what I am saying about science and the Bible agreeing.

First as you say verse 1 was billions of years ago, that was day 1 but it did not become void, it was void and empty to begin with and then God began his handiwork of creation. That all happened on day 1. Then in verse 6 which was only about 600 million years ago we have the Ediacaran Era, when we have the formation of oceans, atmosphere, and continents.

No! Scripture says it "became void." Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

DAY 3 Was the Prechmbrian Era that began about 542 million years ago and we can read what happened on day 3 in the Bible.

DAY 4 was the Paleozoic Era that ended about 251 million years ago. Paleozoic comes from the Greek meaning "Old Animals." Numerous fishes, other sea life; many plants, first trees; wingless insects, swampy forests. In the early part of day 4 there was a catastrophic event that caused most species to became extinct but the tree and plant life remained. This catastrophic event would account for the blotting out the sun which reappeared on this day and we can read about it in the Bible.

DAY 5 is the Mesozoic Era that ended about 65 million years ago. Its popular name is the Age of Reptiles.

DAY 6 is the Cenozoic Era which began about 65 million years ago and includes the geological present including humankind. Its popular name is the Age of Mammals.

No again!

Added: But then, of course, you can believe whatever you want.

 

[Irish]

That is spot on and so is the Bible which is what I am saying about science and the Bible agreeing.

First as you say verse 1 was billions of years ago, that was day 1 but it did not become void, it was void and empty to begin with and then God began his handiwork of creation. That all happened on day 1. Then in verse 6 which was only about 600 million years ago we have the Ediacaran Era, when we have the formation of oceans, atmosphere, and continents.

DAY 3 Was the Prechmbrian Era that began about 542 million years ago and we can read what happened on day 3 in the Bible.

DAY 4 was the Paleozoic Era that ended about 251 million years ago. Paleozoic comes from the Greek meaning "Old Animals." Numerous fishes, other sea life; many plants, first trees; wingless insects, swampy forests. In the early part of day 4 there was a catastrophic event that caused most species to became extinct but the tree and plant life remained. This catastrophic event would account for the blotting out the sun which reappeared on this day and we can read about it in the Bible.

DAY 5 is the Mesozoic Era that ended about 65 million years ago. Its popular name is the Age of Reptiles.

DAY 6 is the Cenozoic Era which began about 65 million years ago and includes the geological present including humankind. Its popular name is the Age of Mammals.

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No, half way through the second verse is the beginning of day one, look at your structure.

Irish

 

[0bed]

No, half way through the second verse is the beginning of day one, look at your structure.

Irish

Go on then, you do it, and do it in context, because it is a continual chain of unfolding events. Verse 2 tells us it was an empty void AT FIRST but God was there. Then verse 3 God moves onto the next stage which is to create light.

[sup]1[/sup] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [sup]2[/sup] Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

[sup]3[/sup] And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. [sup]4[/sup] God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. [sup]5[/sup] God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

No! Scripture says it "became void." Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

No again!

Added: But then, of course, you can believe whatever you want.

It does not say it became void.

Isaiah 45:18 (New International Version)

[sup]18[/sup] For this is what the LORD says—
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited—
he says:
"I am the LORD,
and there is no other.

WHERE DOES IT SAY IT BECAME VOID?

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[jerryjohnson]

...

It does not say it became void.

Isaiah 45:18 (New International Version)

[sup]18[/sup] For this is what the LORD says—
he who created the heavens,
he is God;
he who fashioned and made the earth,
he founded it;
he did not create it to be empty,
but formed it to be inhabited—
he says:
"I am the LORD,
and there is no other.

WHERE DOES IT SAY IT BECAME VOID?

Look at the Hebrew, I'm not doing everything for you because you will no learn if I do. Or just continue thinking like you do, someday you will find out.

Also, by the way, you will not understand the end if you don't understand the beginning.