Do you all think God knows who will chose Him and who will not?
I say no ,welcoming thoughts.Will elaborate more after a few responses
I say no ,welcoming thoughts.Will elaborate more after a few responses
Does God know
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Since God is all knowing, He knows everything from the very beginning, including those who will believe and obey the Gospel. Every hair on every head is numbered, and every sparrow is counted and known. Who can fathom God's omniscience and divine foreknowledge?
So you think He would create someone knowing that they would be condemned to hell?
yet eph 1says otherwise:-
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In loveL5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
Jesus in John15:16,"You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you....
If God is not in control, which god is in control.
I'm not repeat,NOT saying He is not in control.
First all were not predestined ,only the elect.The point I'm trying to make is that He knew us before birth,and His elect were chosen at that time.
Now let's look at Ephesians
Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"
What does it mean to be "chosen"?
It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.
"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.
"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.
Have you ever wondered why you do the things that you do, at times. It's just like you have a destiny. You have always felt their is more to life, and this world, then what you have been taught. Paul addresses this in Romans 8:27. In verse twenty six it says that there are times in your life when the Holy Spirit makes intercession for you because you don't even know what to pray for.
"And he that searcheth the heart knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:27 These saints are "the set-aside ones", or "the chosen". God has a overall plan, and a purpose in that plan just for you. That purpose is to bring back His children to Him; after that overthrow, and in this earth age.
Why would God intercede in a person's life, without them even asking? When your free-will goes against God's purpose for your life, God will intercede. When Paul's "free will" was to destroy all Christians, God's will was to take this highly educated man, and use Paul as the instrument for Him. Paul used to same drive to destroy Christians, that he used later to convert people, after his conversion.
We read that the Lord said; "...For He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and children of Israel:" Acts 9:15
Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"
"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.
Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5
"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.
"And we know that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 This verse is directed to a certain people, with a condition attached. This applies to "them who are called according to His purpose." "His purpose" is called God's plan, and God's overall plan is the offering of Salvation to all. That plan includes the teaching of God's Word; to plant seeds to convict; to live our life for Him; and to go and speak where God leads you. God will use you as it pleases Him.
"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.
"Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".
Then your argument goes out the window.
If God choose who will be saved it means he saves those who had not chosen themselves to be saved.
Freewill what freewill does a slave have. A slave cannot free himself.
It is God who chose us. It is God who saves us and it is God who enables us to continue to follow Jesus.
Picture a toddler, 'helping' Daddy wash the car. All that happens is a little dirt gets moved and the toddler has fun getting soaked while playing with Dad.
We are like that toddler, we think we are helping but regarding our salvation we do nothing and contribute nothing.
Yes God is merciful and just so the fault is your idea that God knowing is cruel.
So again what's the purpose ?And like I said all are not chosen.....
Matthew 20:16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
Now we know exactly who we are talking about, "the chosen" of God, those few that are called the elect, who will have studied and known the truth of the events of the end of this age, and have the courage to prevent themselves from being deceived. We know from Ephesians 1:4that these "chosen" were selected to be His elect from before this earth age of the flesh begin, and God predestinated us to be His children, because He has adopted us. We become God's children and joint heirs with Jesus Christ, by having our sins blotted our, because of His death on the cross, and His resurrection.
Friend, if you understand the events of these end times, and will have the ability to see through the Antichrist's deceptions, and lying wonders, it is no accident. Many people go down the isle today, and go through a formality of being saved, and they have no idea what they are doing, or what they even did. They don't understand who God is, or what sin is, they only know that they were convinced to do what they did. Many of these ignorant souls will parade right after the Antichrist when he arrives, because just like their conversion, they did what they were told to do.
Those souls that are brought back to live their life in the flesh body in this earth age, were brought back because they did not fall in the first age, and even though many will be fresh converts, so to speak, in the flesh body and the time is very short [five months, Revelation9:5], They will receive the same reward for their stand, as that dear soul that lived and loved the Lord for sixty years.
So man in the flesh body, when he doesn't know the Word of God, can be rather short sighted.
There are things that happened that have to do with the overthrow of that first earth age that are blanked from man's memory, while he exists in the flesh body. Many of these things are recorded as mysteries in the Scripture. There were things that happened in that first age, and there were souls that were chosen first. Those souls are called "God's elect", and in the Hebrew tongue, they are called the "Zadok". They were chosen first because they earned it.
The "Good man" [master], which is the "householder" is Almighty God, and he keeps good books and records. It is quite sad that the number of people that even know that there was a first earth age before this one, is so few. Yet that first earth age is recorded in our Bible that we may know and not be confused, as the events of these last days start to unfold. God does nothing by accident, and everything that will happen is in His plan for the ages, and for us to understand, we must study. However it is easier to sit back and let the Kenites do your thinking for you. That is exactly what Satan would prefer.
There are many the hear the call that is in the word, yet they just don't understand, and to some, they just don't have a choice in the matter.
Remember when Paul was on the road to Damascus on a mission, and his free will was to murder Christians. He had the authority, and official notice in his pocked, and he was capable of doing the job. To drag the women and children into the street and kill some of them if He chose. The orders for Paul's actions were from the top of the religious community; that is what Paul's free will and he was zealous to get the job done. When God struck him down on the road, Paul's free will submitted to God's plan, and Paul was changed to become just a zealous for God as he was prior to the religious leaders.
When was Paul chosen for this work of God? Paul was chosen from the beginning age, that first earth age. Again the first is last and the last is first. Many are called, but few are chosen. The chosen of God shall perform His works.
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Nondenom40
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Wouldn't be much of a God if He didn't huh? The very definition of omniscience is all knowing.
I recently discovered that our names are already written in the Book of Life....and that it can be blotted out in the OT...from the foundation of creation....but the NT changes it to The Lamb's Book of Life. So now I have to study this in depth. Because it has a lot of implications that can be misunderstood if not rightly divided by truth.
Charitie Less Bancroft got this Scriptural sentiment right when she wrote:
"Before the throne of God above
I have a strong and perfect Plea
A great High Priest whose name is Love
Who ever lives and pleads for me
My name is graven on His hands
My name is written on His heart
I know that while in Heaven He stands
No tongue can bid me thence depart
No tongue can bid me thence depart".
Nondenom40
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Not sure what verse youre thinking about. But Rev 3 says
If we are in Christ, we have overcome. The verse says our names will not be blotted out, not that they will.
I think Revelation 22.19 is saying that the behavior mentioned is not the mark of a true believer in any case...
I would rather 2 never been created than 2 be created with my fate already sealed...
Father knew you ,I mean like knew you ,not just because He knows everything.
Father knew you ,I mean like knew you ,not just because He knows everything.
One does NOT have free will,don't care how you spin it ,if our fate is already known.The only people that don't have free will are those whom were chosen before being born in this earth age.
Give you Paul as an example
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
Does this say that Paul was a volunteer for the service of the church? No, God said, "He is a chosen vessel unto me," meaning that Paul was one of God's elect. Paul had gained the experience to serve a purpose for God, and God knew Paul from the beginning. From before even the foundations of the world [this earth age of the flesh].
Paul was selected by God to bare the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the Gentiles, the kings, which are those in authority, and the children of Israel. Paul had a three fold mission. Paul therefore taught on three levels, and it is for this reason that any true teacher, gifted in God's Word, will also teach on three levels. These levels mean that wherever one person is in the Word of God, there will be a message in it for them.
As those people grow and mature in the Word, they could listen to that same teacher three times and each time through, they should learn something new each time. They will think that it is a new discovery each time through, for God's Word builds on itself, and what is important to the baby in Christ, seeking the milk of the Word, is different then the mature Christian that seeks more then just salvation and baptism. A gifted teacher teaches on whatever level the listener is at. That is why it is important that you learn from the Word of God, and not the words and traditions of men.
Notice there is a difference between those men of free will, and those men that have a destiny, and purpose of the elect of God. Those of the elect know deep inside themselves that they have a destiny and purpose for their lives. Paul knew he had a destiny, only he was confused which way that was. He grabbed out at man's way, instead of seeking God's way. When the time came, God put a stop to Paul's way, and He blinded him.
Acts 9:16 "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My name's sake."
From this day forward, it wasn't going to be an easy trip for Paul. Paul had experienced all levels of humanity, both good and bad, and he had tasted of the other side. Now Paul is hand picked by God to go not only to the Gentile, he was also sent to the rulers, the kings and queens. The "kings and queens" has a deeper meaning for those on the third level, it refers to the kings and queens of the ethnos, that shall lead their people in the final generation. And the other area where Paul was sent was to the house [children] of Israel.
Give you Paul as an example
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"
Does this say that Paul was a volunteer for the service of the church? No, God said, "He is a chosen vessel unto me," meaning that Paul was one of God's elect. Paul had gained the experience to serve a purpose for God, and God knew Paul from the beginning. From before even the foundations of the world [this earth age of the flesh].
Paul was selected by God to bare the name of Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the Gentiles, the kings, which are those in authority, and the children of Israel. Paul had a three fold mission. Paul therefore taught on three levels, and it is for this reason that any true teacher, gifted in God's Word, will also teach on three levels. These levels mean that wherever one person is in the Word of God, there will be a message in it for them.
As those people grow and mature in the Word, they could listen to that same teacher three times and each time through, they should learn something new each time. They will think that it is a new discovery each time through, for God's Word builds on itself, and what is important to the baby in Christ, seeking the milk of the Word, is different then the mature Christian that seeks more then just salvation and baptism. A gifted teacher teaches on whatever level the listener is at. That is why it is important that you learn from the Word of God, and not the words and traditions of men.
Notice there is a difference between those men of free will, and those men that have a destiny, and purpose of the elect of God. Those of the elect know deep inside themselves that they have a destiny and purpose for their lives. Paul knew he had a destiny, only he was confused which way that was. He grabbed out at man's way, instead of seeking God's way. When the time came, God put a stop to Paul's way, and He blinded him.
Acts 9:16 "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My name's sake."
From this day forward, it wasn't going to be an easy trip for Paul. Paul had experienced all levels of humanity, both good and bad, and he had tasted of the other side. Now Paul is hand picked by God to go not only to the Gentile, he was also sent to the rulers, the kings and queens. The "kings and queens" has a deeper meaning for those on the third level, it refers to the kings and queens of the ethnos, that shall lead their people in the final generation. And the other area where Paul was sent was to the house [children] of Israel.
What, Christians are those who have studied. You are seriously mistaken and are teaching falsehood.
Christians, the chosen, elect, the predesdined etc are those who Jesus died and rose again for.
There is No educational qualifcation to be saved.
More unbiblical nonsence. As Hebrews says, 'it is given to men ONCE to die and after that comes Judgement.
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