The saints of Israel

[Reggie Belafonte]

I hear this argument a lot, but I'm not sure it holds any water, biblically. Abraham, the father of the Jewish nation, was not "Jewish". He was a Caananite. God chose him to become the 'father' of the people of God, and the covenant of this decision was marked by circumcision. Now, all the tribe of Abraham, and the families that came from him, the "Israel" nation, were marked by this, as well as the other laws that came into effect by the Mosaic Law. But if you pay attention to the OT, there are rules that allow 'gentiles' to become Jews if they, as Abraham had done, became circumcised and followed the laws as God commanded (Ex 12:48). And we know from prominent figures in scripture that it happened: Rahab, Naomi, Tamar and Bathsheba. These gentile women became essential in the lineage of Christ himself, and yet clearly their blood was NOT Jewish.

All this to say: What marked a "Jew" a "Jew" in the OT was the keeping of the old covenant between Israel and God. Blood was never a huge part of it. The people we see today? They attempt to keep the old covenant. We know, of course, that the old covenant is obsolete and that a new one has come. Paul tells us that a 'true Jew' is one who has the laws and circumcision upon their hearts instead.

But, as I keep pointing out, while WE are aware of what constitue the believer, those joined to the Olive tree, there are still those who hold to the old ways, and Paul distinguishes them and talks of them in Rom 9-11. He does not distinguish them or speak of them as being saved by these traditions they keep, but it does mark them out.


You seem very angry over a specific thing and can't seem to move past it. I'm not sure who you are speaking to, but for myself, and even for those I know who DO hold national Israel with a fautly degree of prominence, we also preach Jesus Christ. Even Dispensationalists, as mistaken as they are as to the "two programs" still believe openly that the Jewish people must recieve Christ to be saved.
So, I'm not sure who these 'moronic bigoted BS Satanic whores' are you speak of...but I cannot say I'm surprised one bit if they are perhaps angry when you open your mouth.



Really? I'm sorry, but I can't quite believe you don't seem to see how illogical and angry you are being over the topic. You say you love all unsaved, but then you say things so vile and hateful that I can barely understand how you have not been sensored on a Christian site.

I am not angry at all, you can go study the Talmud and then come back to me, but I know that you will not bother.

The topic is saints of Israel I thought and that means it's about the servants of God in fact and not only about the OT Jews, as such like the worldly ignorantly do in fact think.
I could talk to any atheist off the street and they would think that the subject is about OT Jews for sure and the reason why is because they are ignorant to the subject or I could come across many so called Christians that would make such a stupid claim.

Anyone who claims that the State that is naming it's self Israel nowadays is in fact just a bold faced lie.

The RCC has called it's self Israel now for 2000 years and Israel means the servants of God.

Don't you remember Pope JP2 on TV for years rejecting that State as being Israel ? and the media just rattled on and on and on and on making out that JP2 was a idiot and a total fool, the media were simpletons on the whole subject, amateurs at best or lead by Satanist Talmud Jews who owned the stations that were claiming just total nonsense, now some punk ass slob in the TV media who knew bugger all or could not care less was sniping at JP2 as if they knew better than the RCC and I found it interesting in how they worked to make out that JP2 was just someone who was beneath them low life atheist grubs that were making out to know the subject better than JP2 and the RCC.
Not to mention that it worked ! if you tell a lie for long enough ignorant people will believe it.

The fact is that he State calling it's self Israel is a mans works, hell even truly devout Jews to the OT know that and do point it out in fact. But it's the Talmud Whore and the so called Zionist that peddles the Israel State thing. true Jews say that it's not but wished it was so in fact, but as any true Christian knows Israel is the born again servants of God under their King Jesus Christ and anyone who rejects that is of Satan.

Another thing is the peddling of the whole 2ed coming thing is so full of Satanist as well as they are welcoming Satan in fact and leading the whole world astray.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I see so many people looking forward to the end of times thing that is peddles nowadays, sadly they are happy to see most of the world go through such pain and want to aid such a thing to bring it on but the con job is that the Satanist have lead them astray into believing that they will be raptured out, so that they will not suffer the poor little darlings that do works of Satan and claiming to be Christians, I thought that one only reaped what you sow. you can not do evil in order to create good. such is like the ones that Jesus said of that claim to know him saying that they did for him and he will say that I never knew you ? so no you can not do wrong because that is not following Jesus Christ at all, such are not worthy of him and that's why they are not at his right hand.

So all the people who idolise so called Jews like the Talmud and the so called Zionist are going to Hell, because the fact is such people are under Satan's curse.
The True to God Jews of the OT have hope and can come to Jesus but when talking to them they can not see the big picture because their mind is clouded by so much stupid so called Christian rubbish that it clouds their judgment to come to know the real Christ Jesus.

We know who controls this world, so why do you reject and follow such, is it due to hatred or gutlessness or despair.
I say come to Jesus Christ and do not be bothered with such nonsense and just abide in Christ Jesus as that's all that is asked of one and forget about what such idiots want and their works of enslavement.
Jesus Christ will set you free from all that nonsense when you come to know him personally, Jesus says that you must be born again of the Holy Spirit.
Mans works has never cut it and never will as their is only one way and that's through Jesus Christ only.

I will point out to you that true Christians regard the OT as a blueprint for the NT and that the Commandments still stand but under Grace now and that's the difference. and anyone who sees the Commandments as under the Law is not on the same page at all. the Law was set as so for Christ Jesus to come. so if anyone thinks that going under the Law again with the Jews is the answer, that means you do not have Grace and are an Anti-Christ.

 

[Naomi25]

From what I have been able to establish from the Chronology of the Book of Genesis, Abraham came through the line of Shem's descendants.

The Canaanites came through the line of Ham's descendants.

Abraham was considered to be a Hebrew as he was a descendant of Eber. Gen_14_13 confirms this.

Shalom

Yes, and Shem was a son of Noah. Shockingly, so was Ham. Golly! The whole world was Jewish!!
Either the Jewish nation was selected particularly and set aside by certain outward signs and actions (the covenants), or we fall back upon blood...and since every jolly person from the flood onwards came from Noah's line, then that argument falls to pieces. Unless you want to start arguing that the genetics and DNA in Shem and Ham were different, and THAT marked them somehow. But I fail to see how you can have any biblical evidence, or any logical, rational, scientific evidence to support that idea.

 

[Naomi25]

I am not angry at all, you can go study the Talmud and then come back to me, but I know that you will not bother.

The topic is saints of Israel I thought and that means it's about the servants of God in fact and not only about the OT Jews, as such like the worldly ignorantly do in fact think.
I could talk to any atheist off the street and they would think that the subject is about OT Jews for sure and the reason why is because they are ignorant to the subject or I could come across many so called Christians that would make such a stupid claim.

Anyone who claims that the State that is naming it's self Israel nowadays is in fact just a bold faced lie.

The RCC has called it's self Israel now for 2000 years and Israel means the servants of God.

Don't you remember Pope JP2 on TV for years rejecting that State as being Israel ? and the media just rattled on and on and on and on making out that JP2 was a idiot and a total fool, the media were simpletons on the whole subject, amateurs at best or lead by Satanist Talmud Jews who owned the stations that were claiming just total nonsense, now some punk ass slob in the TV media who knew bugger all or could not care less was sniping at JP2 as if they knew better than the RCC and I found it interesting in how they worked to make out that JP2 was just someone who was beneath them low life atheist grubs that were making out to know the subject better than JP2 and the RCC.
Not to mention that it worked ! if you tell a lie for long enough ignorant people will believe it.

The fact is that he State calling it's self Israel is a mans works, hell even truly devout Jews to the OT know that and do point it out in fact. But it's the Talmud Whore and the so called Zionist that peddles the Israel State thing. true Jews say that it's not but wished it was so in fact, but as any true Christian knows Israel is the born again servants of God under their King Jesus Christ and anyone who rejects that is of Satan.

Another thing is the peddling of the whole 2ed coming thing is so full of Satanist as well as they are welcoming Satan in fact and leading the whole world astray.

Okay, firstly, I'm sorry, but it's very hard to follow you and your thoughts.
Second...yeah right you're not angry. Anyone who uses that much insulting language in their posts is either angry or rude. You pick.
Third...its very nice that JP2 had a view on this all, the media as well. But I'm not particularly concerned about either of them. I try and bring our conversations and our proofs back to scripture. That's why I like to quote it in attempt to back up my reasoning.
Fourth...as you seem intent on not returning said scriptural reasonings, but only rambling rants filled with obscenaties, I think I will bid this conversation adieu.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes, and Shem was a son of Noah. Shockingly, so was Ham. Golly! The whole world was Jewish!!
Either the Jewish nation was selected particularly and set aside by certain outward signs and actions (the covenants), or we fall back upon blood...and since every jolly person from the flood onwards came from Noah's line, then that argument falls to pieces. Unless you want to start arguing that the genetics and DNA in Shem and Ham were different, and THAT marked them somehow. But I fail to see how you can have any biblical evidence, or any logical, rational, scientific evidence to support that idea.

You can confirm what I have written from the Book of Genesis if you want to. The Israelites are the descendants of Jacob. God renamed him Israel. Later the term Jew began to be used for descendants of Israel.

We are not told if Noah had any other sons after the flood. So yes, the three sons of Noah repopulated the earth

Abraham was a direct descendant of Shem as well as being a tenth generational descendant of Noah. Noah died when Abraham was around 59 years old, while Abraham was living in and around Haran before he went down to the Land of Canaan.

The Canaanites are a direct descendant of Canaan who was a son of Ham. Cush was also a son of Ham and in his old age, Nimrod was born to him. It is my understanding that Nimrod's life overlapped all of Abraham's life.

So if you want to explore this more, do what I did and read the bible for a start, which is where I started.

Shalom

 

[Naomi25]

You can confirm what I have written from the Book of Genesis if you want to. The Israelites are the descendants of Jacob. God renamed him Israel. Later the term Jew began to be used for descendants of Israel.

We are not told if Noah had any other sons after the flood. So yes, the three sons of Noah repopulated the earth

Abraham was a direct descendant of Shem as well as being a tenth generational descendant of Noah. Noah died when Abraham was around 59 years old, while Abraham was living in and around Haran before he went down to the Land of Canaan.

The Canaanites are a direct descendant of Canaan who was a son of Ham. Cush was also a son of Ham and in his old age, Nimrod was born to him. It is my understanding that Nimrod's life overlapped all of Abraham's life.

So if you want to explore this more, do what I did and read the bible for a start, which is where I started.

Shalom

I think, perhaps, you are missing my point. I am not questioning the historical progression of families or decendants in Genesis.
The point I am making is that when all such decendants come from a single line and are therefore related by blood, blood cannot be the determinig factor of what makes a Jew a Jew. You yourself hit upon it; by 'renaming' Jacob Israel....by calling Abraham apart from Caananite life to follow the one true God, but making a covenant with this particular family and one particular line echoing down through that family, God chose the Jewish nation from it. Not by blood, but by election. And in the OT, election was confirmed and shown by following the covenantal requirements; the laws, circumscion and the such.

So, to put that to our current day argument...those who belong to Christ are clearly the elect now, and under this new covenant it is confirmed by a 'circumscion of the heart'...having the Holy Spirit within us. But according to scripture, Paul talks of a group of people, Jews, who still keep the outward old covenantal signs, believing that they will save. While we know this is not true, it still marks them apart from Gentiles, who will be judged differently...Paul goes into quite a bit of detail for those being judged under the law and those who are being judged and did not have it at all...which are still 2 different people groups from believers, who are not judged at all thanks to Christ.
My point is...even now "Jews" are not a people group that can be judged or weighed by blood. They never were.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Okay, firstly, I'm sorry, but it's very hard to follow you and your thoughts.
Second...yeah right you're not angry. Anyone who uses that much insulting language in their posts is either angry or rude. You pick.
Third...its very nice that JP2 had a view on this all, the media as well. But I'm not particularly concerned about either of them. I try and bring our conversations and our proofs back to scripture. That's why I like to quote it in attempt to back up my reasoning.
Fourth...as you seem intent on not returning said scriptural reasonings, but only rambling rants filled with obscenaties, I think I will bid this conversation adieu.

It's only because you are only religious and do not know that Jesus is the Christ and that's why you look elsewhere.
Any Church that does not claim to be Israel = Servants of God, does not have a leg to stand on and that's why all denominations call their Church's Catholic don't you know. don't be fooled that it's only the RCC that is called Catholic as the C of E and the Lutheran does I know for a fact.

The Talmud is a Whore, it's a fact and pointing something out for what it truly is such not obscenities, it's a fact.

Such as ignorance of such a type of display is shown are a curse on all people, I put it to your ilk that the Talmud killed the true Jews right from the time that they tried to kill Holy Moses, when they built their pathetic filthy disgusting Golden Calf that they idolised. why do such reject Jesus words as well or just brush by them with no regard at all, when he points out the mob within claiming to be Jews but are clearly they are not at all as he said.

I have said stop idolising Anti-Christ and I have to endure such that in fact insult Jesus Christ with no regards.

Why does one keep Idolising the Talmud so called Jews and reject Jesus Christ I am asking. why do you not have enough faith in Jesus, is that the problem as to why you look to idolise another.

I am pointing to Jesus Christ and you are pointing to the Talmud.

I start talking about the true Jews and so why add the Talmud in with them in total ignorance as such is an insult.

I reject the Talmud totally as Satan it's self, because I know for a fact what it truly is in fact, it's not fooling me at all and many a true Jew knows this for a fact.

Your ilk are claiming that we all have to come to the Jews to be saved now ? and I am saying that all must come to Jesus Christ to be saved, as nothing and no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son, now such a ilk are guilty of rejecting this fact, so is it that ilk just does not understand the gravity of it or are they Anti-Christ in fact just trying to lead all astray.

I am standing up for Jesus Christ and you are claiming some Jewish dribble scam that's been done away with when Jesus came, or you do not understand the fact of who Jesus truly is.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If Jesus is coming again is he going to change what he was saying from the first time ? what is he going to say ? that he was wrong ! and that the mob who killed him and all the prophets were correct and that God will have to apologise for Sodom and Gomorrah.

One can see the works of Satan as it is said that, you will know them by their works and yes we are dealing with all the horrors of such demonic dribble leading people astray nowadays, Abortion on demand up to 9 months is championed now, fags dominate over everyone nowadays and lay down the law that no one should resist them in any way of feel the wrath of their malice and this has the handy work of the Talmud all over it, not to mention so did WW2 as it was all of it's creation, they hide in the shadows but one must be born again to see their works for what they are because it like a snail trail.

 

[Naomi25]

Ok...I was officially done with this conversation because you weren't seemingly willing to engage in a conversation that didn't involve active offensive language and reason.
However, one feels that they must address the rather serious and blatant errors in the below post that must either come from a serious failing on your part to have understood a single thing I have written in the past, or perhaps a purposeful twisting of my intent. Either way, your representation of my views are beyond wrong and I call you on it.

It's only because you are only religious and do not know that Jesus is the Christ and that's why you look elsewhere.

Pardon me. Where have I EVER said that Jesus is NOT the Christ and we must look elsewhere? In point of fact I have said MULTIPLE times in my conversation with you that no one, no matter their race or beliefs, must come to Jesus and him alone for salvation.
Your claim is false and a misrepresentation of me.

why do you not have enough faith in Jesus, is that the problem as to why you look to idolise another.

And what makes you an expert on my faith in Christ and how much it might be? And who exactly is it I am supposed to be idolizing? I have certainly never claimed we should elevate anyone above Christ Jesus. I have also never suggested we ought to place a people or race in a position higher than the Church.
So, this cannot possibly be my position, but one you have made up for me. Another misrepresentation.

I am pointing to Jesus Christ and you are pointing to the Talmud.

Boy. That would be hard. I wouldn't know the Talmud if I tripped over it. Again...please go back over our conversations and prove in any way you can how and if I am pointing to the Talmud rather than Christ. I think I've made it quite clear that regardless of a persons race or current belief, that anyone hoping to be saved MUST come to believe in Jesus Christ.
Another misrepresentation.

Your ilk are claiming that we all have to come to the Jews to be saved now ?

I have an ilk? And I'm doing what? Oh...please, please prove I'm doing this. What a bald faced lie. This goes beyond misrepresentation and dips down into purposeful reputation smearing. Or...trying to. Good luck. I'm darn certain not a single thing I've written will back you up on this insane claim.

I am standing up for Jesus Christ and you are claiming some Jewish dribble scam that's been done away with when Jesus came, or you do not understand the fact of who Jesus truly is.

Well Reggie, what I did, was give you scriptures to support an idea I had. It was an idea that did not go against scripture...that being that ALL peoples must come to Jesus Christ to be saved.
But, you know, whatever. You probably shouldn't let facts inconveniance you or anything.
But I'll tell you this: disagree with me all you want, but the next time you outright lie about what I'm saying, I'll report you so hard it'll make your head spin.
What a terrible Christian witness you are.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Ok...I was officially done with this conversation because you weren't seemingly willing to engage in a conversation that didn't involve active offensive language and reason.
However, one feels that they must address the rather serious and blatant errors in the below post that must either come from a serious failing on your part to have understood a single thing I have written in the past, or perhaps a purposeful twisting of my intent. Either way, your representation of my views are beyond wrong and I call you on it.


Pardon me. Where have I EVER said that Jesus is NOT the Christ and we must look elsewhere? In point of fact I have said MULTIPLE times in my conversation with you that no one, no matter their race or beliefs, must come to Jesus and him alone for salvation.
Your claim is false and a misrepresentation of me.


And what makes you an expert on my faith in Christ and how much it might be? And who exactly is it I am supposed to be idolizing? I have certainly never claimed we should elevate anyone above Christ Jesus. I have also never suggested we ought to place a people or race in a position higher than the Church.
So, this cannot possibly be my position, but one you have made up for me. Another misrepresentation.


Boy. That would be hard. I wouldn't know the Talmud if I tripped over it. Again...please go back over our conversations and prove in any way you can how and if I am pointing to the Talmud rather than Christ. I think I've made it quite clear that regardless of a persons race or current belief, that anyone hoping to be saved MUST come to believe in Jesus Christ.
Another misrepresentation.


I have an ilk? And I'm doing what? Oh...please, please prove I'm doing this. What a bald faced lie. This goes beyond misrepresentation and dips down into purposeful reputation smearing. Or...trying to. Good luck. I'm darn certain not a single thing I've written will back you up on this insane claim.



Well Reggie, what I did, was give you scriptures to support an idea I had. It was an idea that did not go against scripture...that being that ALL peoples must come to Jesus Christ to be saved.
But, you know, whatever. You probably shouldn't let facts inconveniance you or anything.
But I'll tell you this: disagree with me all you want, but the next time you outright lie about what I'm saying, I'll report you so hard it'll make your head spin.
What a terrible Christian witness you are.

I don't know why you are so angry dear Naomi as the subject matter is not about you but of your type of new age ilk that I am addressing, it's that type of thing that I am calling out.
I would not try to use malice on anyone, you will never see me trying to threaten anyone with reporting them ever let along get angry at them.
You claim that I am angry, well I am not but you claim that I am, but I am only pointing out the points and you have informed me that you know nothing about the Talmud ? well well well there you go, if you would bother then you may understand where I am coming from, as I do know their works and I can see them, as Jesus says that a born again Christian will know them by their works.

It's just that you are not on the same page as me as to why you want to attack me, I understand your perspective I know what you are on about even if you don't understand it yourself.
I have not tried to attack you at all.

I am pointing out that the new age Christianity is being led astray with all this Jew idolising nonsense and I am calling them out on it, you are not the only one you know and this subject it's not about you. but from my point it's about the misperceptions being peddled nowadays, such rubbish was not around in the 60's 70's 80's that I knew about, but this madness about so called Jew idolising has become an epidemic nowadays, that it's insane and not to mention that I have a mate that rants this garbage to me all the time, he can't wait ! he wants everyone to be killed because he hates the world and thinks that the world is a dumping ground and I say that it's not ! and that the only problem is Sin !, but he and his ilk claims that all people are totally corrupt and I say that's a work of Satan and they claim the work of Christ was an abstract as it was a finished work period and I say we must abide in him as we have taken on the work in him as we are his Church (body) and he is the Head, now that is about being born again and if one is not born again, then i know that such a one is not truly born again and that they are looking for the second coming, because that's all that they have because they are lost, they do not know Jesus is the Christ and I know this fact as I was in that position once before so it's not an enigma to me at all.

If one gets all huffy and puffy on subjects to do with God, it would be better to try and understand what it is that is truly being said, remember how such people who love to throw stones at St Stephen and got Jesus flogged because they thought that they were right but they were truly mislead, not to mention such powers are still prevalent today for they know not what they truly do, for they are not born again.

Even the Pharisees can peddle scriptures till the cows come home but so what. I am not a religious, I am a Christian as I abide in Christ Jesus, not religion, it's about the Holy Spirit above all and that's Grace, not religious. I am not tied down to a denomination one could say.
The religious can be led astray like they always are, because they are not born again.

Hebrews 11:1 - 40 and Deuteronomy all of 32 or study Ezekiel.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Once you have studied the Talmud get back to me and we will go over the points that key in with old mate Hitler that fit like a glove and then we can go on about the History that we are now undertaking that's heading down the same path in leading the whole world astray and that the majority are completely oblivious to it all, but it sticks out if you understand it's works.

Just remember it's not about you that I am on about. it's the system that is leading the whole world astray that I am on about. but I am made out to be the monster, now if I could of stoped WW2 due to educating the public or better still the people of today not to go down the path that only leads to destruction is a better way, than the deceptions that we are suffering nowadays with all this filth that the people are swallowing and becoming empowered by Cultural Marxism Political Correctness to champion all depravity.

 

[Naomi25]

I don't know why you are so angry dear Naomi as the subject matter is not about you but of your type of new age ilk that I am addressing, it's that type of thing that I am calling out.
I would not try to use malice on anyone, you will never see me trying to threaten anyone with reporting them ever let along get angry at them.
You claim that I am angry, well I am not but you claim that I am, but I am only pointing out the points and you have informed me that you know nothing about the Talmud ? well well well there you go, if you would bother then you may understand where I am coming from, as I do know their works and I can see them, as Jesus says that a born again Christian will know them by their works.

It's just that you are not on the same page as me as to why you want to attack me, I understand your perspective I know what you are on about even if you don't understand it yourself.
I have not tried to attack you at all.

I am pointing out that the new age Christianity is being led astray with all this Jew idolising nonsense and I am calling them out on it, you are not the only one you know and this subject it's not about you. but from my point it's about the misperceptions being peddled nowadays, such rubbish was not around in the 60's 70's 80's that I knew about, but this madness about so called Jew idolising has become an epidemic nowadays, that it's insane and not to mention that I have a mate that rants this garbage to me all the time, he can't wait ! he wants everyone to be killed because he hates the world and thinks that the world is a dumping ground and I say that it's not ! and that the only problem is Sin !, but he and his ilk claims that all people are totally corrupt and I say that's a work of Satan and they claim the work of Christ was an abstract as it was a finished work period and I say we must abide in him as we have taken on the work in him as we are his Church (body) and he is the Head, now that is about being born again and if one is not born again, then i know that such a one is not truly born again and that they are looking for the second coming, because that's all that they have because they are lost, they do not know Jesus is the Christ and I know this fact as I was in that position once before so it's not an enigma to me at all.

If one gets all huffy and puffy on subjects to do with God, it would be better to try and understand what it is that is truly being said, remember how such people who love to throw stones at St Stephen and got Jesus flogged because they thought that they were right but they were truly mislead, not to mention such powers are still prevalent today for they know not what they truly do, for they are not born again.

Even the Pharisees can peddle scriptures till the cows come home but so what. I am not a religious, I am a Christian as I abide in Christ Jesus, not religion, it's about the Holy Spirit above all and that's Grace, not religious. I am not tied down to a denomination one could say.
The religious can be led astray like they always are, because they are not born again.

Hebrews 11:1 - 40 and Deuteronomy all of 32 or study Ezekiel.

So...let me get this straight. You are not angry at all, even though you call people 'BS whores, racist bigoted morons, and of Satan'. You are not out of line when you make outrageous, false claims about me that cannot be found anyhere in my posts. You think I am out of line for threatening to report you when you clearly violate the rules of this forum.

Do you know what dear Reggie? You are furious about Jewish people and the people who hold them in esteem for their lies...and yet you have demonstrated your own capacity for just that.

Another lie of yours; that I am a 'new ager'. Please, what rubbish. And again, not something that you could possibly have pulled from my messages. I invite you to go back and attempt to do so. I'm confident that all my points were focused around scripture; Roms 9-11 in fact and how God and therefore we, should view the Jews. Perhaps I could be mistaken on my particular interpretation, that's always possible, I'm not infalible, but a new ager? No. Not even close.
I invite you, also, to go and look at the forum rules which you agreed to when you signed up here. You will find that offensive language and lying about others are both banned. So I'm well within my rights to report you. As I should. This is a public place, and as Christians we ought to understand that our reputations really show God's reputation. Every time you spew filth and anger and lie outrageously about someone, you put his reputation to shame. If you cannot doctrinally disagree with someone without all that, you're not trying hard enough and being intellectually lazy.

 

[farouk]

'BS whores, racist bigoted morons...'

Like you also, I didn't realize these supposedly juicy themes were on topic ...

 

[Naomi25]

Like you also, I didn't realize these supposedly juicy themes were on topic ...

Yes, rather shocking language, isn't it? I remember when I first came here some time back, someone got scolded for saying 'damn'. My, how the times have changed when the above language is now allowed by a professing Christian.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So...let me get this straight. You are not angry at all, even though you call people 'BS whores, racist bigoted morons, and of Satan'. You are not out of line when you make outrageous, false claims about me that cannot be found anyhere in my posts. You think I am out of line for threatening to report you when you clearly violate the rules of this forum.

Do you know what dear Reggie? You are furious about Jewish people and the people who hold them in esteem for their lies...and yet you have demonstrated your own capacity for just that.

Another lie of yours; that I am a 'new ager'. Please, what rubbish. And again, not something that you could possibly have pulled from my messages. I invite you to go back and attempt to do so. I'm confident that all my points were focused around scripture; Roms 9-11 in fact and how God and therefore we, should view the Jews. Perhaps I could be mistaken on my particular interpretation, that's always possible, I'm not infalible, but a new ager? No. Not even close.
I invite you, also, to go and look at the forum rules which you agreed to when you signed up here. You will find that offensive language and lying about others are both banned. So I'm well within my rights to report you. As I should. This is a public place, and as Christians we ought to understand that our reputations really show God's reputation. Every time you spew filth and anger and lie outrageously about someone, you put his reputation to shame. If you cannot doctrinally disagree with someone without all that, you're not trying hard enough and being intellectually lazy.

Read the Bible for once and you may be offended at the words used as well I am sure.

Why do you want to dictate to me, using such stand over tactic's as malice.
Learn to take things in your stride as that's what a good Christian does, anger and malice get one no where.
I am trying to explain a hostile enemy that has been killing the Jews and there works in such tactics and I know the works of such people in how they operate and I know that they don't like being exposed, so they use any tactics that they can to hide behind and you know what I know such people by there works.

I am not against any race at all but I must to point the way is only through Jesus Christ and not to mention that I have a Jewish Sir name and I have some morons stand in my face in total anger that when I inform that I am a Christian, do you dear Nomi have to deal wish such hostility ? it's not words that I am dealing with it's the intent that's the problem, it's the malice intent ! it's that they want to try to bash me up and totally reject that I am a Christian ? try thinking about that. I pray look into the Bible as to such working.

It's some types of so called Christians and Jews and Atheist who do come against me with unrelenting anger saying, no your a Jew !
one of my mates went off the rocker about just that to me some years ago and I have known him for 50 years and he is a moron in fact because he is totally trying to be insulting me for being a Christian and I could not think of a worse insult, it's the intent not the words ? making out that I am someone who like them does not understand who Jesus Christ truly is, I know who is an Anti-Christ as I understand the foundations as to why they are such and it's because such people are lost and lack Grace, so they want to try and drag all around them down because they can not handle the truth, because the truth hurts such selfish ignorant people and their worldly pride.

When Jesus said for God to for give them for they do not know what they do, remember that point ? he is saying that they are morons and the word only describes the fact of what such is in fact. if one may not like the definition it's only there problem.

Phrase the Lord that no Anti-Christ can not take me out of Gods hand, because I am Saved, I was once only a water baptised Christian and I could of been lost to such Anti-Christ who try to temp me. but I will stand up to them and point them out for what they truly are, be it Anti-Christ or only water baptised as I have to stand up to such things that are of Satan and I do not go around peddling mans works over others or trying cunning of malice on anyone.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am trying to explain a hostile enemy, as to the working of Satan here dear Naomi.
One that has always undermined the Jews and many only try and undermine this fact with typical TV educated dribble that I get form many atheist comeback, I hear that type of gibberish all the time, with some clown getting all huffy as making out they are standing up for the Jews but is total ignorant of the big picture and runs around like some spoilt brat claiming he is the authority on the subject, when he has never studied the OT or does not have a handle on Christianity, not to mention how many such think that Christianity is just some fantasy story, so they stand over it all claiming Church and State has no place in there world of mans works doctrine. so in fact what they defend is only mans madness.

Mind that a true Christian only serves God and not mans works because such is a abomination and such will always fail, just like the poor Jews who were lead astray by a mob of so called Jews, now because such is an enigma to most people and just because that they can not fathom the difference does not make them correct ? do you comprehend this point dear Naomi ? I know many don't so try an not be offended, because the Bible does point this all out in fact.
Some people are very touchy on such subjects I know and only get all emotional and don't want to know about it all, because it's all beyond them, the subject is to vast to get a handle on for them.

If you can not handle the subject well drop out. but don't try to go out of your way to bite me because you don't have a handle on the subject.
Do you know what St Paul had to endure do you with such people who cam across him all the time.

 

[Naomi25]

Read the Bible for once and you may be offended at the words used as well I am sure.

Two incorrect assumptions. That I don't read scripture, and that I'm offended by you. Just because I'm standing up for myself against your rather false and incorrect statements about myself doesn't make me a snowflake that gets 'offended' by every word someone else says. You have to care about the person who's giving the false witness to be offended truly; and I don't know you, so how could I care about you in that way?
I am standing up and objecting to the vile manner in which you voice your 'explinations' and the rather ridiculously incorrect things you have said about me, but there is zero offense.

Why do you want to dictate to me, using such stand over tactic's as malice.
Learn to take things in your stride as that's what a good Christian does, anger and malice get one no where.
I am trying to explain a hostile enemy that has been killing the Jews and there works in such tactics and I know the works of such people in how they operate and I know that they don't like being exposed, so they use any tactics that they can to hide behind and you know what I know such people by there works.

I am not against any race at all but I must to point the way is only through Jesus Christ and not to mention that I have a Jewish Sir name and I have some morons stand in my face in total anger that when I inform that I am a Christian, do you dear Nomi have to deal wish such hostility ? it's not words that I am dealing with it's the intent that's the problem, it's the malice intent ! it's that they want to try to bash me up and totally reject that I am a Christian ? try thinking about that. I pray look into the Bible as to such working.

It's some types of so called Christians and Jews and Atheist who do come against me with unrelenting anger saying, no your a Jew !
one of my mates went off the rocker about just that to me some years ago and I have known him for 50 years and he is a moron in fact because he is totally trying to be insulting me for being a Christian and I could not think of a worse insult, it's the intent not the words ? making out that I am someone who like them does not understand who Jesus Christ truly is, I know who is an Anti-Christ as I understand the foundations as to why they are such and it's because such people are lost and lack Grace, so they want to try and drag all around them down because they can not handle the truth, because the truth hurts such selfish ignorant people and their worldly pride.

When Jesus said for God to for give them for they do not know what they do, remember that point ? he is saying that they are morons and the word only describes the fact of what such is in fact. if one may not like the definition it's only there problem.

Phrase the Lord that no Anti-Christ can not take me out of Gods hand, because I am Saved, I was once only a water baptised Christian and I could of been lost to such Anti-Christ who try to temp me. but I will stand up to them and point them out for what they truly are, be it Anti-Christ or only water baptised as I have to stand up to such things that are of Satan and I do not go around peddling mans works over others or trying cunning of malice on anyone.

You still seem stuck on a rather one track mind of a terrible insult done to you by a few people, which apparently you see is done to Christ as well. Which was hardly what the conversation was about....and probably why I consistently failed to get you to engage meaningfully in it. You cannot see past it.
But at least you seem to have dropped adding me to this group of people and linking me to ridiculous and unfounded claims. Good. Please continue to do so.

I am trying to explain a hostile enemy, as to the working of Satan here dear Naomi.
One that has always undermined the Jews and many only try and undermine this fact with typical TV educated dribble that I get form many atheist comeback, I hear that type of gibberish all the time, with some clown getting all huffy as making out they are standing up for the Jews but is total ignorant of the big picture and runs around like some spoilt brat claiming he is the authority on the subject, when he has never studied the OT or does not have a handle on Christianity, not to mention how many such think that Christianity is just some fantasy story, so they stand over it all claiming Church and State has no place in there world of mans works doctrine. so in fact what they defend is only mans madness.

Mind that a true Christian only serves God and not mans works because such is a abomination and such will always fail, just like the poor Jews who were lead astray by a mob of so called Jews, now because such is an enigma to most people and just because that they can not fathom the difference does not make them correct ? do you comprehend this point dear Naomi ? I know many don't so try an not be offended, because the Bible does point this all out in fact.
Some people are very touchy on such subjects I know and only get all emotional and don't want to know about it all, because it's all beyond them, the subject is to vast to get a handle on for them.

If you can not handle the subject well drop out. but don't try to go out of your way to bite me because you don't have a handle on the subject.
Do you know what St Paul had to endure do you with such people who cam across him all the time.

You're still trying to blame me for YOU telling falsehoods about me. That's not "me not handling the subject and having a bite at you". That's me calling you out on unchristian behaviour. And you might notice that I did so without once calling you any of those horrible names you so often sprinkle throughout your posts.
Just food for thought.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Two incorrect assumptions. That I don't read scripture, and that I'm offended by you. Just because I'm standing up for myself against your rather false and incorrect statements about myself doesn't make me a snowflake that gets 'offended' by every word someone else says. You have to care about the person who's giving the false witness to be offended truly; and I don't know you, so how could I care about you in that way?
I am standing up and objecting to the vile manner in which you voice your 'explinations' and the rather ridiculously incorrect things you have said about me, but there is zero offense.



You still seem stuck on a rather one track mind of a terrible insult done to you by a few people, which apparently you see is done to Christ as well. Which was hardly what the conversation was about....and probably why I consistently failed to get you to engage meaningfully in it. You cannot see past it.
But at least you seem to have dropped adding me to this group of people and linking me to ridiculous and unfounded claims. Good. Please continue to do so.



You're still trying to blame me for YOU telling falsehoods about me. That's not "me not handling the subject and having a bite at you". That's me calling you out on unchristian behaviour. And you might notice that I did so without once calling you any of those horrible names you so often sprinkle throughout your posts.
Just food for thought.

Just remember that it's not all about you but new age deceptions that have come about over the last 20 to 30 years that I am concerned with as to this blight that I see within this subject at hand. as for the Jews being idolised and were in with the rapture mob that is peddled so much nowadays, that's what I am on about, it's the madness of it all that is the point not you at all.
It's a much bigger subject than you.

As for un Christian intent is what I am about, so that one is not mislead is the whole point that I am on about not childish religious egos getting frazzled.

As to Unchristian behaviour, well I am sure that pedo priest sure walked that line of so called Christian pretence looking all sweet to all and as long as such a Devil plays that game of such then most are fooled.
But the Bible points out that such people come as wolfs clothed as Sheep and I know such people in there works and fact is that I know that such people are a pain in the church because they claim themselves as better Christians than all around them, when the facts are that they are for the main just stuck up bissy body's with no handle on true Charity at all but only of worldly works, I have seen such people my whole life that claim to be prissy to all but drive all away from the Church as to be seen doing good works, that's mans works religion in fact and to be sure it's a poker Face that they hide behind.
For one I remember Bible study's all us children had a good caring great Pastor who was doing real well in bringing in the so many young and I loved them days but for one old biddy battle axe that was a pain to all, playing the Christian card poker face but was noting but a typical atheist at heart, nothing that any Socialist or government school atheist idiot fool could not do and that's the problem that person lacked Grace and did not know God but only played the part to all with a poker face and the children could see this and thought it was Christianity, now 90% say of them Children are lost to Christ, I know it for a fact when I talk to them, they say you still don't believe in all that crap ! well I do believe in Jesus is the Christ I say and it's all about him first and foremost in one's life because once you get off that track then you have only religion and religion will not save you I can assure you of that. Even the Atheist is religious ! only the fool does not realise the fact.

Do you dear Naomi want me to put up what the Bible says of who can not enter into the Kingdom of God so you can see the facts as to the reality. There is no mention of using any language that one may not like that will keep one out, but ones intent may be much higher on the list I think and intent on the truth is.

 

[Naomi25]

Just remember that it's not all about you but new age deceptions that have come about over the last 20 to 30 years that I am concerned with as to this blight that I see within this subject at hand. as for the Jews being idolised and were in with the rapture mob that is peddled so much nowadays, that's what I am on about, it's the madness of it all that is the point not you at all.
It's a much bigger subject than you.

As for un Christian intent is what I am about, so that one is not mislead is the whole point that I am on about not childish religious egos getting frazzled.

As to Unchristian behaviour, well I am sure that pedo priest sure walked that line of so called Christian pretence looking all sweet to all and as long as such a Devil plays that game of such then most are fooled.
But the Bible points out that such people come as wolfs clothed as Sheep and I know such people in there works and fact is that I know that such people are a pain in the church because they claim themselves as better Christians than all around them, when the facts are that they are for the main just stuck up bissy body's with no handle on true Charity at all but only of worldly works, I have seen such people my whole life that claim to be prissy to all but drive all away from the Church as to be seen doing good works, that's mans works religion in fact and to be sure it's a poker Face that they hide behind.
For one I remember Bible study's all us children had a good caring great Pastor who was doing real well in bringing in the so many young and I loved them days but for one old biddy battle axe that was a pain to all, playing the Christian card poker face but was noting but a typical atheist at heart, nothing that any Socialist or government school atheist idiot fool could not do and that's the problem that person lacked Grace and did not know God but only played the part to all with a poker face and the children could see this and thought it was Christianity, now 90% say of them Children are lost to Christ, I know it for a fact when I talk to them, they say you still don't believe in all that crap ! well I do believe in Jesus is the Christ I say and it's all about him first and foremost in one's life because once you get off that track then you have only religion and religion will not save you I can assure you of that. Even the Atheist is religious ! only the fool does not realise the fact.

Do you dear Naomi want me to put up what the Bible says of who can not enter into the Kingdom of God so you can see the facts as to the reality. There is no mention of using any language that one may not like that will keep one out, but ones intent may be much higher on the list I think and intent on the truth is.

I think we will never agree on how you express yourself. But thankyou for no longer putting me in the same category as those you clearly disagree with. Because truly; I am not one of them.
I think this conversation has run its course and gains nothing from going on.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Crying about words and a poker face is the biggest card game that Satan uses.

My Pious mate up the road is peddling a poker face at all times and now he is coming out with the prissy of late, he uses a word at times and looks up and says sorry lord ? well well well as if God would care, for one what does God say about the tongue ? do you know ?
But it's all about the intent that God is at with one.

Malice and bingo = a work of Satan, old mate up the road has noting but malice in his heart as he is idolising so called Jews and demanding that Jesus comes back and rules with an iron rod.
Now old mate wants to be in charge of dealing out the control of people, he has made that clear to me, but I would think that he would end up having to work for a living after being on the dole all his life now that would be hard ? and after not having to do anything that he never ever wanted to do his whole life, it would become a shock and to get his hands dirty and kicked around and ripped off I don't think that prissy boy would take it in his stride like so many others have to.
He talks about killing anyone who does not follow his Jews for Jesus religion as everyone must believe them.

So you see that with old mate that when I see people going down his root that it all lines up as I can see the Devil is in the detail.

It is not about you dear Naomi, it's a much bigger picture than you understand and rubbernecking as you like to do, is just dribbling because that is not the point of Christianity at all in getting all hung up on such trivia. as I am talking about maybe 80% of the world will be starved to death or killed by Satanic morons and yes the word moron does represent the fact just like the Word Whore does fit perfectly in context just as the Bible use the word to describe what it is.
Listen if I could of came out to try and stoped WW2 from taking place and pointed out the truth of the game play that was at hand and then it went ahead and then many years later that I was found out to be correct and the people then realised that all such murdering of people was in vain not to mention a work of Satan that was truly at hand in fact leading the whole world astray.