Reggie Belafonte
Well-Known Member
I am not angry at all, you can go study the Talmud and then come back to me, but I know that you will not bother.I hear this argument a lot, but I'm not sure it holds any water, biblically. Abraham, the father of the Jewish nation, was not "Jewish". He was a Caananite. God chose him to become the 'father' of the people of God, and the covenant of this decision was marked by circumcision. Now, all the tribe of Abraham, and the families that came from him, the "Israel" nation, were marked by this, as well as the other laws that came into effect by the Mosaic Law. But if you pay attention to the OT, there are rules that allow 'gentiles' to become Jews if they, as Abraham had done, became circumcised and followed the laws as God commanded (Ex 12:48). And we know from prominent figures in scripture that it happened: Rahab, Naomi, Tamar and Bathsheba. These gentile women became essential in the lineage of Christ himself, and yet clearly their blood was NOT Jewish.
All this to say: What marked a "Jew" a "Jew" in the OT was the keeping of the old covenant between Israel and God. Blood was never a huge part of it. The people we see today? They attempt to keep the old covenant. We know, of course, that the old covenant is obsolete and that a new one has come. Paul tells us that a 'true Jew' is one who has the laws and circumcision upon their hearts instead.
But, as I keep pointing out, while WE are aware of what constitue the believer, those joined to the Olive tree, there are still those who hold to the old ways, and Paul distinguishes them and talks of them in Rom 9-11. He does not distinguish them or speak of them as being saved by these traditions they keep, but it does mark them out.
You seem very angry over a specific thing and can't seem to move past it. I'm not sure who you are speaking to, but for myself, and even for those I know who DO hold national Israel with a fautly degree of prominence, we also preach Jesus Christ. Even Dispensationalists, as mistaken as they are as to the "two programs" still believe openly that the Jewish people must recieve Christ to be saved.
So, I'm not sure who these 'moronic bigoted BS Satanic whores' are you speak of...but I cannot say I'm surprised one bit if they are perhaps angry when you open your mouth.
Really? I'm sorry, but I can't quite believe you don't seem to see how illogical and angry you are being over the topic. You say you love all unsaved, but then you say things so vile and hateful that I can barely understand how you have not been sensored on a Christian site.
The topic is saints of Israel I thought and that means it's about the servants of God in fact and not only about the OT Jews, as such like the worldly ignorantly do in fact think.
I could talk to any atheist off the street and they would think that the subject is about OT Jews for sure and the reason why is because they are ignorant to the subject or I could come across many so called Christians that would make such a stupid claim.
Anyone who claims that the State that is naming it's self Israel nowadays is in fact just a bold faced lie.
The RCC has called it's self Israel now for 2000 years and Israel means the servants of God.
Don't you remember Pope JP2 on TV for years rejecting that State as being Israel ? and the media just rattled on and on and on and on making out that JP2 was a idiot and a total fool, the media were simpletons on the whole subject, amateurs at best or lead by Satanist Talmud Jews who owned the stations that were claiming just total nonsense, now some punk ass slob in the TV media who knew bugger all or could not care less was sniping at JP2 as if they knew better than the RCC and I found it interesting in how they worked to make out that JP2 was just someone who was beneath them low life atheist grubs that were making out to know the subject better than JP2 and the RCC.
Not to mention that it worked ! if you tell a lie for long enough ignorant people will believe it.
The fact is that he State calling it's self Israel is a mans works, hell even truly devout Jews to the OT know that and do point it out in fact. But it's the Talmud Whore and the so called Zionist that peddles the Israel State thing. true Jews say that it's not but wished it was so in fact, but as any true Christian knows Israel is the born again servants of God under their King Jesus Christ and anyone who rejects that is of Satan.
Another thing is the peddling of the whole 2ed coming thing is so full of Satanist as well as they are welcoming Satan in fact and leading the whole world astray.