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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by shilohsfoal, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Active Member

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    There are some on this board who believe they will replace the decendents of Israel.They claim the promised land and even Jerusalem shall be taken from the decedents of Israel and given to themselves.They believe the saints in the following verse can only be from gentile nations and not decendents of Israel.They even teach that Israel will no longer be a nation.

    Revelation 20:9 And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

    This is what God says concerning Jerusalem and the decendents of Israel.

    Jeremiah 31:35 NIV: This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-- the LORD Almighty is his name:
    Jeremiah 31:36 NIV: "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will Israel ever cease being a nation before me." declares the LORD.
    Jeremiah 31:37 NIV: This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,"
    Jeremiah 31:38 NIV: "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
    Jeremiah 31:39 NIV: The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah.
    Jeremiah 31:40 NIV: The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the LORD. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished."

    So while these "christians"on this site claim they will in replace the decendents of Israel,God says this will not happen nor will Israel cease from being a nation
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    Well...Israel did cease to be a nation. And God has rejected the national aspirations of the Jewish people...which do NOT coincide with God's will.

    And if you were careful, you would see how many Gentiles are in the lineage of king David...and by extension...Jesus.

    God can graft in whom He wishes to. No need for any permission from us. I hope you are able to see that.

    Was Rahab Jewish? What of Ruth? Bathsheba? Tamar?

    The whole race thing is a non-starter. Judaism was a religion...not an ethnicity. A religion becomes an ethnicity when if no longer is alive and spreading.

    But Jesus came to remove all religions...to connect us with God....apart from religion. So please cease from promoting religion in general and Judaism in particular.
     
  3. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Active Member

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    So you believe God may have lied and the decendents of Israel,(Israels offspring) has ceased from being a nation forever.
    That is exactly what God says will not happen.
    I dont really care if God accounts 144,000 Israelis as being a nation.Its still a nation in Gods eyes.God has promised in,the text he will not destroy all of Israels decendents.

    Jeremiah 31:37 NIV: This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,"

    Now I question why anyone would openly reject Gods word.

    Soon Israel will be laid waste.As God has promised,Israel will not cease from,being a nation.God will not make a full end but will keep his word.
     
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    You are trying to understand spiritual and eternal things with a carnal grasp on how people name things. The modern country called" Israel" was not named by God but by secular human nationalists. It should really be called Judea...as in the time of Jesus.

    Even the orthodox Jews reject naming the land Israel. Since it was done by the will of man...and the power of men.

    So you are going backwards.

    Jesus has come in the flesh. But you are not yet aware as to what that means..obviously. So you put a people above God...which is idolatry. The Jews do this...and did this. Hence their rejection. Are you also interested in following them into that same rejection?

    Israel has always been about GOD. The land is GOD'S. So you are getting things exactly backwards.

    Israel is ALL who are in relationship with God. ALL.

    Nobody gets to own God.
     
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    ba-dum-tuss :)
     
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    you are mischaracterizing epis position here in order to force your own agenda bro, at least imo. I would suggest that truth is somewhere in the middle here, imo closer to epi at the moment, but i dont know, ok. Not all who are born Israel are of Israel might surely cover "Israel as a nation," which btw is not an Inc Country anyway, a nation, as you seem to be insisting?

    if you question it then imo do yourself a favor and listen to the answer maybe, instead of throwing retarded self-serving bs around?
     
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    now, Israel did, in fact, cease from being a nation according to your own definition of the term, yes? Or no?
     
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    Who names the 144,000 Israelis have thier fathers name in thier foreheads?

    Revelation 14:1 Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

    Who was it decided these 144000 are Israels decendents?Who calls them Israel and says exactly which tribes of Israel they are from?

    Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:
    Revelation 7:5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
    Revelation 7:6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
    Revelation 7:7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Isaachar 12,000,
    Revelation 7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

    You going to continue to reject Gods word?
     
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    dunno whats wrong with Palestine myself, good points tho imo
     
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    We are taking about the "decendents"of Israel in Jerimiah.Not those who are adopted.Dont confuse the two.
     
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    Palestine was named such by the British as a slight to the Jews. Palestine means Philistine. Good old British colonialism...:rolleyes:
     
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    you going to continue accusing and being an idiot here bro? Or what? You dont even know what Word is yet i guess, ok? The Bible is Word, you think? In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was God? The only Q i got is why Epi gave you the time of day now bro. Have a nice day.
     
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    We are not talking about grafting in or adoption.We are talking about physical decendents here.

    The decendents (offspring)of Israel.

    Jeremiah 31:37 NIV: This is what the LORD says: "Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,"

    I know you want to replace then as a whole but its not going to happen
     
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    no, thats what you are ignorantly droning on about imo, in ignorance of not all who are born Israel are of Israel
     
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    shilohsfoal Active Member

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    Goodbye"bro"
     
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    you know bupkus, and cannot quote epi doing what you say you know, either. Where is it? You are not talking about grafting in or adoption, see, but Scripture is, plenty, yes? You dont have to answer, even, right? Bc you are done, wadr
     
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    Not according to my term.No
     
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    ya, thats what i figured. Come back with your this is that and that is this when you can back it up imo, and have a nice day ok
     
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    shilohsfoal Active Member

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    Jerimiah says nothing about adoption.He is talking about decendents.
    Do you have a family tree or was you born under a rock?
     
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