Pay to Pray eRosary from the Vatican

[epostle]

The Roman Catholic Church preaches a false Gospel.

We both can come up with bible verses that define the true Gospel, but I would like your personal definition. Then I will show you where your definition is proclaimed, in various forms, at every Catholic Mass. Please knock off the red-neck theology, it's unbecoming of a good Christian such as yourself.

 

[epostle]

Would you consider buying a device that featured "Scripture Alone" that helped you become the preacher you've always dreamed of? How much are you willing to pay, and what might be the market value? The full Scriptural Rosary recites 200 key Bible verses. That is what we are supposed to think about. All those "Hail Mary's" is analogous to the sound track of a movie. There is no rational reason to find that disturbing.

To suggest we can buy prayers is scandalous, sadistic, divisive and stupid. I can explain how the rosary is a Bible study, for any honest inquirer. Christianity is supposed to Christianize the culture as well as individuals, the culture is not supposed to paganize Christianity. (Yet our culture teaches us to despise the CC.) That means assimilating the Gospel into the culture, not by proselytizing. Where would we be without the Net?

"The Internet causes billions of images to appear on millions of computer monitors around the planet. From this galaxy of sight and sound will the face of Christ emerge and the voice of Christ be heard? For it is only when His face is seen and His voice heard that the world will know the glad tidings of our redemption. ...Therefore,... I dare to summon the whole Church bravely to cross this new threshold, to put out into the deep of the Net, so that now as in the past the great engagement of the Gospel and culture may show to the world ‘the glory of God on the face of Christ’.”
St. Pope JP2

March, 2017
VATICAN CITY - Pope Francis has called on the faithful to consult the Bible with the same frequency as they might consult their cellphones for messages.

Francis urged a packed St. Peter’s Square following his weekly Angelus blessing Sunday to give the Bible the same place in daily life as cellphones, asking: “What would happen if we turned back when we forget it, if we opened it more times a day, if we read the message of God contained in the Bible the way we read messages on our cellphones.”

The message was a twist on Francis’s frequent use of social media to reach the faithful, including regular messages on Twitter.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don't know what to say other than except thanks for the explanation.

You're welcome.

 

[quietthinker]

Prayer isn't free anymore, apparently. Now you can pay to help with your prayers.

Vatican launches $110 'click to pray' wearable rosary - CNN
"The Rosary is going mobile.
The Vatican announced the launch of the "Click to Pray eRosary" Wednesday. October is the month of the Rosary.
The eRosary is an app-driven device that can be worn as a bracelet. To activate it, all you have to do is make the sign of the cross, similar to how Catholics begin praying the Rosary.
Once activated, the wearer can choose between three different options to pray. There is the standard rosary, a contemplative rosary or a thematic rosary, which will be updated every year. The device shows the users progress throughout each prayer and keeps track of each rosary completed.
The interactive device is a push from the church to reach tech-savvy millennials and Gen Z.
It "serves as a tool for learning how to pray the rosary for peace in the world," according to a news release from the Vatican.
The project -- part of the Pope's Worldwide Prayer Network -- brings together the best of the Church's spiritual tradition and the latest advances of the technological world, the Vatican said.
The eRosary is available to buy now for $110."

Click To Pray eRosary: the new smart Rosary to pray for peace in the world

I suppose the next fad will be beads so your children can talk to you again again again again again again, ohhh, did i say again? Oh well it must be a good idea, the squeaky wheel gets the oil I hear. I just never knew God required such monotone repetition. I know if my kids did that I'd consider them seeing a shrink.....or maybe they should pray more; God is so busy listening to all those folks rattling off the same thing....like i said, the squeaky wheel get the oil!

You could also call it compulsory saving, it'll help build those opulent Cathedrals and who knows, God might just be right into real estate and consider your contribution a jolly nice gesture....a good way to get his ear!

 

[reformed1689]

Oh don't even get me started on the Pope.

 

[reformed1689]

Myth 1: A person can buy his way out of hell with indulgences.
Since indulgences remit only temporal penalties, they cannot remit the eternal penalty of hell. Once a person is in hell, no amount of indulgences will ever change that fact. The only way to avoid hell is by appealing to God’s eternal mercy while still alive. After death, one’s eternal fate is set (Heb. 9:27).

Myth 2: A person can buy indulgences for sins not yet committed.
The Church has always taught that indulgences do not apply to sins not yet committed. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes, “[An indulgence] is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin; neither could be granted by any power.”

Myth 3: A person can “buy forgiveness” with indulgences.
The definition of indulgences presupposes that forgiveness has already taken place: “An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven” (Indulgentarium Doctrina 1, emphasis added). Indulgences in no way forgive sins. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.

Myth 4: Indulgences were invented as a means for the Church to raise money.
Indulgences developed from reflection on the sacrament of reconciliation. They are a way of shortening the penance of sacramental discipline and were in use centuries before money-related problems appeared.

Myth 5: An indulgence will shorten your time in purgatory by a fixed number of days.
The number of days which used to be attached to indulgences were references to the period of penance one might undergo during life on earth. The Catholic Church does not claim to know anything about how long or short purgatory is in general, much less in a specific person’s case.

Myth 6: A person can buy indulgences.
The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, “in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions” (Catholic Encyclopedia).

Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.
One never could “buy” indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: “Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded.”

Being able to explain these seven myths will be a large step in helping others to understand indulgences. But, there are still questions to be asked: find out here

All of that is great, deceiving and not historically accurate, but great. HOWEVER, indulgences, nor purgatory, are found in Scripture.

 

[reformed1689]

Describe what you think indulgences are and I will show you a straw man fallacy.

Indulgences are to get relief from some of the punishment for sin during the purification process in purgatory. However, neither indulgences, nor purgatory are scriptural in any way shape or form.

 

[reformed1689]

If I attacked your family, you would take it personally. Your web site admits discord and division within the Methodist church, so on that basis alone, how can you hold anyone to your particular beliefs? Worse, your critiques of the Catholic Church are based on ignorance and blind prejudice. It's painfully obvious.

My church is Methodist because they cannot get out of the denomination and keep their property. We are closer to a Southern Baptist Church. I do not follow the UMC, I do not pledge allegiance to the UMC, and I am actively seeking a way to take the church out of the UMC.

 

[marks]

we do not receive 'bits' of Jesus, we receive all of HIM!

I've already received Him. What are you talking about?

Whether one receives the bread or the cup (or both) they receive Jesus Christ.

How many times do you "receive Christ"? What happens if I don't take communion? If I simply believe what God said that all who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved? Am I still saved by just less than? I remember now, that's kind of where we left it before.

I memory serves, you consider me a sort of Christian, but not really, not like you.

But seriously . . . how many times do you "receive Jesus"? Is it because He leaves you inbetween those times?

If you wished. The Eucharist refers to the bread or the cup or both. The Eucharist cannot be consecrated without both kinds present.

What do most people do? What would I be served? What is the default?

I keep asking about this because mostly what I see is that the priests partake of the bread and wine, and the laity partake of the bread only. I know at least that there are many that way, and I ask again, why some are different?

If "coming back to Rome" means joining into the unity, why the difference?

Much Love!

 

[marks]

Yeah, was for me, of course He waited until I had laid down all my doubt and chose to adore Him there... so I was already convinced... more like confirmation I guess...

Regardless of what you want to call it, experience of divine revelation undergirding doctrine not taught in the Bible.

OK, I know, Eat My Flesh . . . By this word, eating His flesh is sufficient, so that the lady pastor at my MIL's church so many years ago, who said, just eat the wafer, no matter what you thing about Jesus, or the Bible, you will be saved. She actually said that!

Which way would you have it? Literal meaning? Or Spiritual meaning?

Much love!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Regardless of what you want to call it, experience of divine revelation undergirding doctrine not taught in the Bible.

OK, I know, Eat My Flesh . . . By this word, eating His flesh is sufficient, so that the lady pastor at my MIL's church so many years ago, who said, just eat the wafer, no matter what you thing about Jesus, or the Bible, you will be saved. She actually said that!

Which way would you have it? Literal meaning? Or Spiritual meaning?

Much love!

Two points here:
-- To my understanding, Catholic Christians do not believe that just the act of consuming the Eucharist saves a person at all. In fact, they are quite strict how the only people who should be partaking in Communion are person whom have already come to Christ, have a broken/repentant heart, and striving to follow His ways empowered by Him. It is an act of renewal, not initial salvation.
Disclaimer: I'm not Catholic, if I'm misunderstanding any of this, I welcome any knowledgeable Catholic to help me out here.

--- Using Sola Scriptura, the interpretation that the prayer during the Lord's Supper being literal has the same exact foundation as the interpretation that it is symbolic.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jane is correct on all points. The significant point in the Gospel of John 6:41-65 is verse 53 "Truly, truly, I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

The phrase the "Son of Man" is a big deal. The fact that if you do not do this means you have "no life in yourselves" is a big deal.

This process / ritual was extremely sacrilegious to His Jewish Apostles...you can see by their reactions....if it was not absolutely necessary He would not have them do it.

And then the second part of the ritual, the washing of the feet, Christ tells Peter in verse 13:7 "What I do you do not realize now, but you shall understand hereafter." And then He insists. On that same note Christ asks the Apostles, "Do you know what I have done to you." 13:12

Mystery it may be, but the importance is profound.

 

[reformed1689]

Jane is correct on all points. The significant point in the Gospel of John 6:41-65 is verse 53 "Truly, truly, I say to you unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

The phrase the "Son of Man" is a big deal. The fact that if you do not do this means you have "no life in yourselves" is a big deal.

This process / ritual was extremely sacrilegious to His Jewish Apostles...you can see by their reactions....if it was not absolutely necessary He would not have them do it.

And then the second part of the ritual, the washing of the feet, Christ tells Peter in verse 13:7 "What I do you do not realize now, but you shall understand hereafter." And then He insists. On that same note Christ asks the Apostles, "Do you know what I have done to you." 13:12

Mystery it may be, but the importance is profound.

Oh boy, here we go. So now to be Christian you must be a cannibal? Newsflash, that is not what that passage says.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Oh boy, here we go. So now to be Christian you must be a cannibal?

I didn't say that at all.

A Christian is a disciple of Christ. It's a matter of heart. Not a matter of your ability to pass a theological test whether about passage X is supposed be be interpreted way A B or C.

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh boy, here we go. So now to be Christian you must be a cannibal? Newsflash, that is not what that passage says.

I am thinking that is what the Apostles were objecting to. This comes from the lips of Christ. You do not understand it, you do not agree, you do not believe, either way your beef is not with anyone here, make your objections to Christ.

 

[reformed1689]

I am thinking that is what the Apostles were objecting to. This comes from the lips of Christ. You do not understand it, you do not agree, you do not believe, either way your beef is not with anyone here, make your objections to Christ.

No, I don't disagree with Christ. Christ was giving an example. Do you think that Christ is also water? Remember, he told the woman he is living water that gives eternal life. So where is this physical water we are to drink for life so that we thirst no more? Christ regularly used imagery to explain theological truths. This is not rocket science.

 

[reformed1689]

I didn't say that at all.

A Christian is a disciple of Christ. It's a matter of heart. Not a matter of your ability to pass a theological test whether about passage X is supposed be be interpreted way A B or C.

Study to show yourself approved. Nobody said anything about the ability to pass a theological test. But that does not mean we are not to strive toward correct theology.

 

[Marymog]

Prayer isn't free anymore, apparently. Now you can pay to help with your prayers.

Vatican launches $110 'click to pray' wearable rosary - CNN
"The Rosary is going mobile.
The Vatican announced the launch of the "Click to Pray eRosary" Wednesday. October is the month of the Rosary.
The eRosary is an app-driven device that can be worn as a bracelet. To activate it, all you have to do is make the sign of the cross, similar to how Catholics begin praying the Rosary.
Once activated, the wearer can choose between three different options to pray. There is the standard rosary, a contemplative rosary or a thematic rosary, which will be updated every year. The device shows the users progress throughout each prayer and keeps track of each rosary completed.
The interactive device is a push from the church to reach tech-savvy millennials and Gen Z.
It "serves as a tool for learning how to pray the rosary for peace in the world," according to a news release from the Vatican.
The project -- part of the Pope's Worldwide Prayer Network -- brings together the best of the Church's spiritual tradition and the latest advances of the technological world, the Vatican said.
The eRosary is available to buy now for $110."

Click To Pray eRosary: the new smart Rosary to pray for peace in the world

What a novel way to encourage prayer. More people praying is a good thing. Right?

Curious Mary

 

[Grailhunter]

No, I don't disagree with Christ. Christ was giving an example. Do you think that Christ is also water? Remember, he told the woman he is living water that gives eternal life. So where is this physical water we are to drink for life so that we thirst no more? Christ regularly used imagery to explain theological truths. This is not rocket science.

We are talking about the bread and wine ritual. Go back and read the scriptures. If you have any trouble with them, it is between you and Christ.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Study to show yourself approved. Nobody said anything about the ability to pass a theological test. But that does not mean we are not to strive toward correct theology.

Individuals whom believe that the Lord's Supper is literal are Christians.
Individuals whom believe that the Lord's Supper is symbolic are Christians.

Theology is very important. But it's not what makes a person a disciple of Christ (aka a Christian).