“God does the works”

[Waiting on him]

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ceased from his own works...ceased from his own righteousness. Ceased from sowing his own name...

Romans 4:4-7 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

John 14:10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. [11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

ceased from his own works: “I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

It’s amazing Jesus Himself didn’t accredit the works to Himself but to God, yet we have many claiming they perform the works?

 

[Waiting on him]

No, the child needs REAL milk from a cow, and ACTUAL bread baked in a human being's oven.... not high-sounding platitudes. This requires direct effort and delivery on our part. It will require time and money spent doing it for God.

Like the government, lions club, Shriners, and other pagans perform?

 

[Waiting on him]

People confuse the heart of a person...with the means at his/her disposal. You would think that bible readers would understand Jesus' pointing out the widow's 2 mites was she doing all she could.

But understanding seems hard to grasp these days.

Do you mean her house being devoured by the religious system?

 

[Waiting on him]

This is true and is based on righteousness. Like when the Samaritan really helped the man that was attacked and near to dying.

The OP, however, is about holiness.

I'm amazed that nobody seems to be able to understand this simple difference.

He poured in the wine and oil.

 

[bbyrd009]

This is true and is based on righteousness. Like when the Samaritan really helped the man that was attacked and near to dying.

The OP, however, is about holiness.

I'm amazed that nobody seems to be able to understand this simple difference.

I am noting that the OP is changing every instance of “have faith” into believe or belief, too. I don’t think there’s any difference in holiness and righteousness myself

 

[bbyrd009]

“him that works not(ceased from his own works) but believes on him John 14:12-13 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

He that believeth on me, the works I do shall he do also; and Greater works: the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Been told always and believed it that neither of these are not possible and can only be Christ. John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

1 Corinthians 13:4-10 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [5] Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [8] Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Also I guess we have changed the definition of charity now, huh? “Charity” is tax deductible now right

 

[Waiting on him]

Luke 20:47 KJV
[47] Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.


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[3] And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: [6] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Amazing how man tries to rebuild what God destroys.

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[bbyrd009]

1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

How can one give all their goods to feed the poor...and have not charity?

zing

 

[Waiting on him]

Also I guess we have changed the definition of charity now, huh? “Charity” is tax deductible now right

If I were the devil I’d encourage that.

 

[Enoch111]

ceased from his own works: “I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

Nice misapplication of Scripture. The *works* referred to here are the miracles of Christ. The Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) were all involved in the miracles of Christ. Here it is the Father who is mentioned. In other Scriptures it is the Son or the Holy Spirit.

1. The works of the Law (Torah Observance) can never justify the sinner.

2. All who are saved are justified by God's grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption APART FROM WORKS (Romans 4 and Hebrews 4).

3. Those who are saved are appointed unto good works, and if a person is devoid of any good works, it means that he or she did not really have saving faith in Christ. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

4. The Holy Spirit works in and through believer's to do the good works, but believers cannot simply sit on their hands and expect something magical.

 

[bbyrd009]

Absolutely

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[Episkopos]

I am noting that the OP is changing every instance of “have faith” into believe or belief, too. I don’t think there’s any difference in holiness and righteousness myself

A person can think that walking on the moon is the same as walking on earth....if that person can't imagine anything other than what has already been experienced.

 

[bbyrd009]

A person can think that walking on the moon is the same as walking on earth....if that person can't imagine anything other than what has already been experienced.

OK let’s just say I’m skeptical

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Also I guess we have changed the definition of charity now, huh? “Charity” is tax deductible now right

tax deductible and Is good for business. Went to a church meeting the other night and the topic was how can we get developers to bring money here. The solution being volunteer to read to children ...let’s get up academic scores, help what is lacking in homes, and better our schools to draw in the money. Or maybe I misunderstood that children were the target to encourage more buyers.

 

[Waiting on him]

The *works* referred to here are the miracles of Christ. The Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) were all involved in the miracles of Christ. Here it is the Father who is mentioned. In other Scriptures it is the Son or the Holy Spirit.

Which Jesus fully accredited to the Spirit within Him.

 

[Willie T]

He poured in the wine and oil.

He got down off his donkey, stopped the man's bleeding and bound his wounds (probably ripped-up his own clothes to do it) Then he struggled, alone, to hoist him up on his animal.... then walked what might have been miles to a motel...… where he paid for a room out of his own money.... then he gave the proprietor even more of his own money to take care of the man for a few weeks.... (that includes room and board, in addition to the nursing.) And then he promised to pay whatever other expenses were encountered.
That's a heck of a lot more than quoting some "oil and wine" verses at the man. He ended up bloody and dirty, and out the equivalent of several hundred dollars... not to mention the loss of business because of the delay all that work took. That Samaritan did the work of God, and he supposedly didn't even worship the proper way... according to most "church people" of that day.

 

[Waiting on him]

He got down off his donkey, stopped the man's bleeding and bound his wounds (probably ripped-up his own clothes to do it) They he struggled, alone, to hoist him up on his animal.... then walked what might have been miles to a motel...… where he paid for a room out of his own money.... then he gave the proprietor even more of his own money to take care of the man for a few weeks.... (that includes room and board, in addition to the nursing.) And then he promised to pay whatever other expenses were encountered.
That's a heck of a lot more than quoting some "oil and wine" verses at the man. He ended up bloody and dirty, and out the equivalent of several hundred dollars... not to mention the loss of business because of the delay all that work took. That Samaritan did the work of God, and he supposedly didn't even worship the proper way... according to most "church people" of that day.

Ended up bloody and dirty, and said I’ll repay? Sounds familiar for some reason.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Nice misapplication of Scripture. The *works* referred to here are the miracles of Christ. The Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) were all involved in the miracles of Christ. Here it is the Father who is mentioned. In other Scriptures it is the Son or the Holy Spirit.

1. The works of the Law (Torah Observance) can never justify the sinner.

2. All who are saved are justified by God's grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption APART FROM WORKS (Romans 4 and Hebrews 4).

3. Those who are saved are appointed unto good works, and if a person is devoid of any good works, it means that he or she did not really have saving faith in Christ. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

4. The Holy Spirit works in and through believer's to do the good works, but believers cannot simply sit on their hands and expect something magical.

Misapplication here also: John 7:16-18
[16] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. [17] If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. [18] He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 14:10 KJV
[10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[GTW27]

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Ceased from his own works...ceased from his own righteousness. Ceased from sowing his own name...

Romans 4:4-7 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

John 14:10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. [11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

ceased from his own works: “I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

You are correct. For when the two shall become One it is He who does the work. It is He whom you will hear to feed the child, It is He who will direct your steps if only we let Him. It is He that enables us to do all things.(In Christ Jesus). All Glory, Power and Honor belongs to Him, and Him alone.

 

[Waiting on him]

You are correct. For when the two shall become One it is He who does the work. It is He whom you will hear to feed the child, It is He who will direct your steps if only we let Him. It is He that enables us to do all things.(In Christ Jesus). All Glory, Power and Honor belongs to Him, and Him alone.

The flesh props the the child against the gate which is called beautiful every day, so it can come and cast coins and say look what I’ve done. True charity comes along and says I don’t have coins but what I have I give you, arise walk, and with power from above God walks in them.

2 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


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